his posts were about a minute apart. Since that's the forum timer my assumption is he was f5ing a fair bit in that time before the end of the day.
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his posts were about a minute apart. Since that's the forum timer my assumption is he was f5ing a fair bit in that time before the end of the day.
Sorian's death presumably removed his vote and brought us back to a tie. If I were scum and had been expecting that I wouldn't need to flip back to Scrafty to bus her.
Unless you think that a town player killed Sorian
Also it only became a tie because someone else swapped at the same time as me, Roy I think
As for your other points, I didn't have much interesting to say in response to your question. I had misunderstood it, but the ideas you raised (to look at people's reactions to the fight) I was already thinking about. It's hard to get much solid from that without knowing either your or Sorian's alignment though, so I filed it under "come back to this later".
I don't think it's accurate to say I'm not discussing things. Sure I ignore stuff that's already been said 5 times by other people but generally I've been commenting on anything that I don't like or could be a slip. I didn't give a HUGE number of opinions but that's because I had been trying to earn the D1 lynch. Clearly I suck at Mafia though as most people gave me strong town-reads. Oh well
In fact you were pretty much the only one who tried to accuse me of anything, I put this down more to you not liking how I was questioning you though.
And I am not on this list...
Who wasn't? I know I wanted to know what was going on.
My posts were a minute apart because I realised I had caused a tie but there is a 1 minute delay between posts?
I was a bit worried that someone else would also flip back when I did but at that point you just have to risk it.
I agree they used their power during the end of D1 to create chaos and hope for a tie/Rats lynch. But I fail to see how that makes Rats scum? It is just as likely they tried to push the lynch to Rats because he is town.
Royal_Flush
Member
What kind of weird question is this?
Well, I have an idea what category the thing he wants to say is but I don't know what specifically.
I still don't see the huge upside of getting her one day earlier than otherwise. Well, actually, now that I think of it, it prevents two dead townies instead of "just" one (mislynch + additional NK). OK, maybe it wasn't my greatest call in GAFia history, but I am not part of the scum team.
If it was to take place at the end, I don't think Launch would have posted the "Please stand by"
Exactly what it means. Do you consider me to be town?
Royal_Flush
Member
So? There are 14 possible people for me to put on the list. Sorry you were part of the 11 that didn't make it on either of the lists. I will consider you next time I make a list. How about the list of Gaffers with the most complicated usernames?
Royal_Flush
Member
I have you as "leaning town", but so are like 75% of the remaining players. There is only so much space on a Top 3 list.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
This is rich, considering your actions yesterday.
Matt Attack
Member
I'm having trouble following the bolded section. I maintained all day that Terrabyte was my top suspect, and I never voted for anybody else because of this. Why would I have moved my vote? Also, my suspicions on Scrafty were "half-hearted" because I wasn't entirely convinced of her guilt (something I made clear), so I'm not really seeing the issue here.
Royal_Flush
Member
I don't know.... Said he had RL obligation which counts as excuse for doing nothing of significance. That goshu/swamped drama in DR taught me never to question RL excuses. Could be scum, could not be. He and GC were the other two candidates for *Splinter's slot on my scumlist (yes the third slot already is for undecided. I just don't get a lot of scumvibes so far)
Royal_Flush
Member
Well, if you see that it comes to a showdown between two players, wouldn't it be the right move to move your vote to the one that you think is slightly more scummy than the other instead of wasting it on somebody who doesn't get voted out anyway? Except you want to stay out of the whole thing, but why would you want to do this?
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Okay so my Top Town are:
Swamped
Ourobolus*
Coppanuva.
Top Scum:
RetroMG*
Royal_Flush
Squidyj
Not feeling good vibes:
Rats Off To Ya
*I trust what ouro has said along with his playstyles, which is why Retro is on my list.
(Card subject to change)
I'm actually feeling pretty good about Matt Attack too, but he just missed the top 3.
Swamped
Ourobolus*
Coppanuva.
Top Scum:
RetroMG*
Royal_Flush
Squidyj
Not feeling good vibes:
Rats Off To Ya
*I trust what ouro has said along with his playstyles, which is why Retro is on my list.
(Card subject to change)
I'm actually feeling pretty good about Matt Attack too, but he just missed the top 3.
Congratulations on yesterday everyone! While we did lose Sorian we were also able to catch our first member of the Mafia. We keep this up and we can all enjoy our tacos in peace in no time at all.
I'm not really sure how that implicates Rats as being Mafia. They could have easily used the power to cause confusion in hopes that Scrafty could slip by into Day 2 through the chaos and gets Rats killed on accident. After what happened yesterday there was no way Scrafty was living past Day 2 with all the suspicion on her so why sacrifice a power that can eliminate a player during the Day phase just to give her a chance to live during the Night?
I need to go back and gather my thoughts on Rats ( and a few others ) so maybe there is other information that can implicate him as Mafia but your evidence hasn't really swayed me.
I'm not really sure how that implicates Rats as being Mafia. They could have easily used the power to cause confusion in hopes that Scrafty could slip by into Day 2 through the chaos and gets Rats killed on accident. After what happened yesterday there was no way Scrafty was living past Day 2 with all the suspicion on her so why sacrifice a power that can eliminate a player during the Day phase just to give her a chance to live during the Night?
I need to go back and gather my thoughts on Rats ( and a few others ) so maybe there is other information that can implicate him as Mafia but your evidence hasn't really swayed me.
Matt Attack
Member
I guess that I can see your point, but that's not usually how I play this game. In my past games here, I've generally stuck to my guns and left my vote on who I believed needed to go out- something I was even more comfortable doing this time around because I was definitely not the only one who found Terra suspicious. Hence why I made posts such as this one- I still wanted us to swing towards lynching him.
Any kind of bulletproof/commuter
Who do we think were scum's top targets last night?
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
It's hard to say without knowing what they wanted to accomplish. They could have gone after you or roy to cut us off at the knees, or somebody nobody's been talking about to give us nothing the next day.
True. All right, I'll stick with Occam's Razor then.
Well we don't have anything close to "confirmed town" yet, so I'd guess they go the low-information route.
If they're a little bolder they could go for someone who got a lot of town reads. That would be... Me or you? (I doubt it's me, but in case it helps I'm not any kind of bulletproof)
Royal_Flush
Member
Could there be a real doctor in addition to Sorian? Or a town roleblocker? But isn't roleblocker an inherently anti-town role because you're much mire likely to block your doctor/cop than it is to block the one scum that carries out the kill?
I think Coppa would be a good target. Made solid posts, but didn't stick out too much. The last minute vote to Scrafty is a strong indicator for not being scum so he could hardly be painted scummy if needed.
I'm here but I'm still catching up. I see Ouro is suspicious of me, but I haven't read through the reasoning. At his request, I'll try to do some updated reads, but depending on how much time I have today, they may not be super well informed.
I saw the thing about me saying I believe in Scrafty and then voting for her. Simply put, her role claim was starting to smell fishy, (I said as much before I voted for her,) and, TBH, It looked like it was going to be Rats or Scrafty.
I didn't want to throw my vote away, (and honestly didn't know who to vote for even if I had,) and I was more confident that Rats was town than Scrafty.
Call it a bandwagon, and I guess it was, but to me it was more about protecting the player I felt better about.
I saw the thing about me saying I believe in Scrafty and then voting for her. Simply put, her role claim was starting to smell fishy, (I said as much before I voted for her,) and, TBH, It looked like it was going to be Rats or Scrafty.
I didn't want to throw my vote away, (and honestly didn't know who to vote for even if I had,) and I was more confident that Rats was town than Scrafty.
Call it a bandwagon, and I guess it was, but to me it was more about protecting the player I felt better about.
OK, Quick, uninformed reads after skimming through the day so far.
TOP TOWN:
Ouro - Most likely Town. I'm pretty sure I know exactly why he thinks he's sunk my battleship, but Ouro, you're thinking you know the shape by seeing the puzzle pieces around it - I am not Mafia. I am, believe it or not, on your side. I do have a plan, but I'm keeping this one close to the chest.
Rats Off to Ya - I like Rats. He's a solid player who does good detective work. I believe in his reads. That's why I was willing to vote for Scrafty (as explained earlier.)
I'm trying to think of another definite town, but no one is springing to mind.
TOP SCUM:
Royal_Flush: Rats' and Roy's explanations from last page make a lot of sense to me. I do not have time to type them all out right now.
Squidyj: I said yesterday that my gut said that either he or Sorian were mafia. Sorian flipped town.
Swamped: I don't necessarily know that she's scum, but there's some weird stuff going on there. I'm no ready to call for a lynch, but I'm keeping an eye on her.
OK. Now I have to go process donations for my church, get my house cleaned up, stop by a birthday party for my nephew, and then go back home to entertain my brother and his family who are suddenly coming for dinner tonight. If ya'll could refrain from turboing me at least until tomorrow afternoon, I'd appreciate it. I'll try to stop in whenever I have a free minute, but my Sundays are always crazy.
TOP TOWN:
Ouro - Most likely Town. I'm pretty sure I know exactly why he thinks he's sunk my battleship, but Ouro, you're thinking you know the shape by seeing the puzzle pieces around it - I am not Mafia. I am, believe it or not, on your side. I do have a plan, but I'm keeping this one close to the chest.
Rats Off to Ya - I like Rats. He's a solid player who does good detective work. I believe in his reads. That's why I was willing to vote for Scrafty (as explained earlier.)
I'm trying to think of another definite town, but no one is springing to mind.
TOP SCUM:
Royal_Flush: Rats' and Roy's explanations from last page make a lot of sense to me. I do not have time to type them all out right now.
Squidyj: I said yesterday that my gut said that either he or Sorian were mafia. Sorian flipped town.
Swamped: I don't necessarily know that she's scum, but there's some weird stuff going on there. I'm no ready to call for a lynch, but I'm keeping an eye on her.
OK. Now I have to go process donations for my church, get my house cleaned up, stop by a birthday party for my nephew, and then go back home to entertain my brother and his family who are suddenly coming for dinner tonight. If ya'll could refrain from turboing me at least until tomorrow afternoon, I'd appreciate it. I'll try to stop in whenever I have a free minute, but my Sundays are always crazy.
Of course, a turbo this early doesn't help us at all. I'm curious what you plan is, and how you've been trying to go at it. It;s going to take more than a "Trust me guys! I'm on your side i just have a secret plan I'm working at!" to convince me of anything. If you're not saying what the plan IS, how have you been working towards it these past 2 days?
This may make me sound like a bit of a ego tripper, but I was pretty scared that I was going to be targeted at night. I seem to be on quite a bit of "most likely town" lists, and looking back at my latest top scum list on D1 with the hindsight of all that happened at the end of D1, I no longer think Squidyj and Rats are scum, so scum could have thought that lynching me would put some more heat on those two.
I doubt we have a second doctor type role unless scum has some pretty powerful abilities to balance it out. That day kill could quality as very powerful if it has more than one use.
Also, No, when used well roleblocker can be amazing for town. You hit a town PR, that sucks, but isn't the end of the world. You hit the scum that did the kill, not only did you save someone, the fact that there was a no kill night will tell you that you probably hit scum, so you can out them during the day. Role blocker can be very, very useful to town.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
I'd love to take credit for that one, but I was following Ouro's lead. And I even got called out for doing so!
No regrets.
thre roles so far have had rng elements.n that might be true for all roles. maybe even if you block, the rng is such that you dont know what happened
I swear, if launch filled this game with the same type of RNG nonsense as the election game, I am personally going to steal his taco, take it to the bathroom, fill it with unspeakable things, and then put it back without him noticing.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I will modkill you roy.
Poop
Wait, I thought you said you were pretending to be suspicious yesterday, is that still going?
this is not something I ever said. Rats said he was being suspicious on purpose yesterday and I said I never liked people who said things like that.
StarSketch
Banned
...Why are you still posting, aren't you dead?
And since I'm here:
Uh, the heck?
Anyway, I'm going to write up that list in a bit.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Wait.
So it's not intentional scumminess you don't like, but rather claiming intentional scumminess?
Just want to make sure I understand you.
That's a poor assumption.
"just jokin guys, i was pretending to act scummy because of reasons!"
what does this statement do to demonstrate its premise? How is a town player supposed to react to this statement? It simply seems like a statement designed to obtain unearned good-will and credit. It acknowledges suspicious behavior while at the same time attempting to excuse said behavior on the basis of nothing.
I wasn't assuming anything, I have no information about how we wound up with a no-kill night and I likely won't unless someone steps forward (not advocating that btw). I was merely noticing a trend in the roles we've seen so far and postulating that this might extend into other roles.
So you've just been ignoring my posts then.
Commuter/RoleBlock/NK immune seems to be the only explanation right now. Unless the Mafia were hoping that not killing last night would throw suspicion on another player but that doesn't seem likely.
Although it's now safe to assume there isn't a Vig or SK in play unless they plan to save up their kills. Something we can confirm after tonight I guess.