flush roleclaimed under pressure and gave a role, all I said was I'm scrafty, which I'd been hinting at. Roleclaim under pressure is like "oh shit I gotta find a way out of this" there's much less credibility there, it might be worth considering if it wasn't up against a cop claim, but the best line of play for town here is to lynch the person the claimed cop has claimed to invest. Lynching the cop or ignoring the check are generally bad lines of play without specific information.
It's not like I had any choice. What am I about to do, when I already am a prime lynch target (I want to point out, once again, that that is solely because I missed
one of currently 1373 posts, altough a critical one) and then someone strolls along and claims cop? It's not like I would get out of this without full disclosure anyway. Might as well claim asap to avoid the last-minute hassle.
Honestly read the exchange before I asked Ouro to give his information. I hate when people give these stupid obvious 'soft' claims and think that they're getting away with something under scum's nose. NEWS FLASH, YOU'RE FUCKING NOT. So there's no reason not to ask for a more concrete position on what's already been said. I didn't want ouro to out himself any more than he already had, except for giving us his role name which doesn't really tell scum anything one way or the other. But seriously if 75% of town is on board with your wink-wink-nudge-nudge, it's not a fucking secret anymore, just fucking say what you mean to say.
I always wondered what people think they will get out of these untargeted riddle-roleclaims ("182" = roleblocker). If it's easy enough for town to get it, it's easy enough for scum to get it. Just doesn't make any sense to me.
I could choose to disbelieve GC but notice that even royal flush suggests GC has an investigative power. There's no powerful counternarrative where the correct play is to lynch GC or even ignore Flush. The best argument you can make for leaving flush alive is probably this
If GC is the cop and we don't kill flush, the mafia will likely kill him, thereby verifying his information.
If mafia tries to protect flush by not killing GC and he is the cop he gets more checks and might net us both scum.
However, if GC is lying and scum knows that flush is not one of their own then they will not kill GC and will force us to address the issue as town, meanwhile GC does whatever he wants.
So this alternative scenario where we don't lynch flush is paradoxically the situation where we most have to trust GC, because we let him continue on unverified. I'm not sure I trust GC enough for that, but he claimed cop and I'm not stupid enough to lynch my cop (just my doctor).
Yeah, I can see your point. I maybe would vote for myself too if I was in your position.
wrong roy, sorry, you mean nothing to me.
Well, look, that was just mean.
Top Scum
Squidy- He's been acting suspicious all game, and hasn't stopped. Other people are catching onto it now as well. Also:
Top What is this I don't even:
Royal- Ok, so he's apparently our doctor, and is claiming the possibility of there being a second neutral player, but as is pointed out that's pretty unlikely. I'm hesitant to vote on him because of this though if the supposed neutral's win condition is kill the doctor....but again this could all be a lie and ugh. Then again if he's really the doctor then he's fucked either way because of his role claim, and there's no way Mafia is not going after him tomorrow.
GC - Seriously though, why make a cop role claim so quickly? What even was the point of that?
Top Town:
Literally everyone else I guess
Hey look,
someone is making sense at least.
Since I'm probably not going to be awake for day end :
Vote: Royal_Flush
2/3 chances isn't that bad I guess?
Oh...
This isn't to say Royal is out of the clear either as I don't necessarily believe his Odd-Night Doc claim. It's somewhat the same as GC but if you are actually the Doc then why not try to actively defend yourself? You claimed like GC did in reaction to what happened and then just kind of left it. Also your whole 'I defended Ouro Night 1 and that's why no kill' semi-defense feels incredibly weak and last minute to give yourself some credibility. It would be really easy for Scum to just jump on to information that is already known ( and with both known participants gone ) without much issue. All-in-all, not really feeling that claim. Care to try again and one-up Retro!Blarg in number of roleclaims?
You know, I tend to get way too worked up about GAFia. Sometimes it's easier to just accept your fate instead of fighting this incredibly hard uphill-battle, that you will loose with a 99% chance. Let's take a look at the situation:
GC is a sure vote on me.
Rats has been tunneling on me since D2. Also a sure vote (I have a feeling there is a bit of OMGUS in there)
roytheone was confirmed in his already existing theory of GC being a cop. Almost sure vote.
I didn't count, but like 8 other people said that they are not sure what to believe, but lynching me would be the safest option. Even if only half of them goes with it, I already have a majority.
Don't get me wrong, I would love town to come to their senses, but I don't see a realistic possibility there.
Btw, this is a prime example of one of these "not sure, but let's lynch Flush anyway"-posts:
I'm kinda mixed on it. His play afterwards doesn't make much sense like Sawneeks was saying. He popped up, said it, then kinda left without saying much else. He soft-claimed a powerful role then didn't give us anything else. If he's not the cop or a "hunter" type role like in Cthulhu searching for his Target, I can't see his gameplan. I can't see a scum player making a soft-claim on the cop. They're too early on, and the only reason they might try to do so is to out the real cop, but it would make GC extremely obvious as a target, and I can't see them making a play like that this early in the game.
Right now I'm not so confident in believing his claim as I am that it ultimately doesn't matter. Like he's said, he's dead tonight in all likelihood. If we lynch Royal_flush and he's scum, GC outed himself as a cop and is likely to die. If Royal_Flush isn't, GC gets lynched tomorrow by us as a prime suspect. The only other alternative is the one Royal_Flush proposed, that GC is a hunter searching for RF's role. In this case GC isn't here tomorrow either since he fulfills his win condition.
Ultimately, I think lynching Royal_Flush is our best move today (as I've said before). If you're wondering why I'm still questioning people, I laid it out at the start of the day. I wanted to get a few targets to look into the next few days today, possible targets to look at, and since we've settled on a good one for today I'm trying to look at other players right now.
I agree with you that GC will more-than-likely not make it to tomorrow if his claim is true. If he does end up living we can take a closer look but it would come down to Royal and his flip. Also, more of a side thought that could be discussed during the next Day, but GC could be bussing his own teammate. Mafia gets rid of their most suspicious member and clears another in one go, letting GC live relatively unharmed.
But it does ultimately come down to Royal and his flip.
I think if he doesn't win today, you all know who to lynch.
I agree with people saying that GC's behavior after he gave his results from N1 and N2 is strange. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but look at it from his POV. Perhaps GC just feels that the game is over since, according to him, we'll have caught two mafia by the end of this day phase. All we need to do is catch one more (there can't be more than that), and a cop certainly isn't required for that.
I don't even know what GC is doing. I thought about him bluffing to put pressure on me, but why keep it up for so long. Really, the only explanation I have is that he wants to get me lynched.
I think Flush is pleading the Fifth, in fear of saying something that will lead us to his partner.
Or he just accepted that he is, from an outside perspective, the best lynch target for today. (Btw, that is consistent with my final DR day. Building a case against Swamped, seeing that most people ignore it, accepting my fate. Here: Going all open, seeing that people believe the claimed cop (can't blame them for it), accepting my fate)
It won't matter either way afterwards, I'll be killed soon enough & I've never had a Power Role before. I don't see why you're concerned Roy, I've assured EVERYONE you're 100% town just in case they ever doubted you, now no one ever can.
Or because you've won after today...
i'm going to sleep like... now.
Well, that's that, lol.
Someone asked me to claim something else. Why in the world would I do this?
