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GAF Plays: Diablo 2

Gaf, what are my options here.

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My serial number rubbed off so I can't install legitimately. Anything I can do?
 

Teknoman

Member
I might just have to jump in...

After hearing Unknown talk about 3Dfx glide, whats the main differences between glide vs direct 3d in reference to Diablo II? I've always just played it using Direct 3d, aside from back in the day...but never noticed a difference.
 
Lion Heart said:
Gaf, what are my options here.

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My serial number rubbed off so I can't install legitimately. Anything I can do?

The only really legitimate option is outlined here:

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20639&parentCategoryId&pageNumber=1&categoryId=2616

However, it is possible to purchase keys online (I wouldn't try a keygen myself) from somewhat shady sites.


And I've been poking my head in here, but I'm not going to jump into Diablo until Diablo 3 releases - then I'll be on the train full swing and hopefully will be able to play with GAF. Probably gonna roll a Demon Hunter or Wizard there.
 

CB3

intangibles, motherfucker
CrunchyFrog said:
It really just depends on who's on. Kinda erratic really. I've had as many as 6.

it seems like it would be best to break off people into groups of 4-6
 
CarbonatedFalcon said:
The only really legitimate option is outlined here:

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20639&parentCategoryId&pageNumber=1&categoryId=2616

However, it is possible to purchase keys online (I wouldn't try a keygen myself) from somewhat shady sites.


And I've been poking my head in here, but I'm not going to jump into Diablo until Diablo 3 releases - then I'll be on the train full swing and hopefully will be able to play with GAF. Probably gonna roll a Demon Hunter or Wizard there.

Balls! Thanks anyway.
 

Fugu

Member
TheSeks said:
General Summon build for me now a days since patch 1.11 is:

20 Skeletons
1-4 Mage
1 Revive
20 Skeleton Mastery

1 Gol Mastery
1 Clay
1 Blood

Then 1 in each of the curses.

+Skill equipment to buff the skeletons/speed up the "climb to 20" as needed. This will let you mostly solo Normal with a few trouble spots.

I can't say how viable Poison would be if you dropped the curses. Poison, like elemental Sorcs get nerfed HARD on anything above Normal due to the resists of the monsters. I, personally, wouldn't use poison above Normal because of that.

Bonemancers seem to be okay, but I've never honestly gone that route.

And I still say Skeletons and summons in general now a days are pretty goddamn weak even with synergy. Even the curses don't help out too well if you're soloing NM, but that's probably my gear (+Skills) in general.
Poison is more difficult without curses, but there would be no reason to play them that way. Lower resist requires a very small point investment (1 + prereqs).

With lower resist? They are, easily, the most viable necromancer build for PvM.
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That's a somewhat above average expected base damage for poison nova on a geared necromancer (one specced for pure damage can expect 11k; one specced more for utility can expect around 8k. One with bad gear or untwinked will be closer to 6k). But it's not just that: Lower resist gives the necromancer an integrated way to break immunes and pretty much double the damage he deals to any non-immune (if a monster has 50% resistance, it now has -10%, meaning it more than doubles it; at 75% it practically triples the damage). As well, with facets and death's web, you can expect an additional 60% from your gear. Death's web is expensive as hell, but even if you take it out of the equation, there are cheaper items (like trang's gloves) which give an obscene boon to poison damage.

But there are a few poison immunes that you won't break, and for them you have the remainder of your skill points to allocate for. And, moreso than basically any elemental damage-oriented build in the game, you really do have a lot to work with. As mentioned previously, they can essentially work a full skeleton build in. Or they can pump CE and focus on killing non-immunes to kill immunes.

Poison necros are one of the most viable soloing classes simply because they are capable of breaking immunes better than any class except for the Paladins and they can do so without any gear at all. They have no trouble dealing damage (mine is competitive in eight-player games, and in one player games everything dies in one nova except for act bosses, even broken immunes) and they come with a few tanks, too.

Also, skeletons, on the same necromancer (as you can see, this character is NOT specced for skeletons)...
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Believe me, they'll be fine.
 
TheExodu5 said:
Awww yeah.

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Nice, that thing rocks something fierce.

Fugu said:
Poison is more difficult without curses, but there would be no reason to play them that way. Lower resist requires a very small point investment (1 + prereqs).

With lower resist? They are, easily, the most viable necromancer build for PvM.

That's a somewhat above average expected base damage for poison nova on a geared necromancer (one specced for pure damage can expect 11k; one specced more for utility can expect around 8k. One with bad gear or untwinked will be closer to 6k). But it's not just that: Lower resist gives the necromancer an integrated way to break immunes and pretty much double the damage he deals to any non-immune (if a monster has 50% resistance, it now has -10%, meaning it more than doubles it; at 75% it practically triples the damage). As well, with facets and death's web, you can expect an additional 60% from your gear. Death's web is expensive as hell, but even if you take it out of the equation, there are cheaper items (like trang's gloves) which give an obscene boon to poison damage.

But there are a few poison immunes that you won't break, and for them you have the remainder of your skill points to allocate for. And, moreso than basically any elemental damage-oriented build in the game, you really do have a lot to work with. As mentioned previously, they can essentially work a full skeleton build in. Or they can pump CE and focus on killing non-immunes to kill immunes.

Poison necros are one of the most viable soloing classes simply because they are capable of breaking immunes better than any class except for the Paladins and they can do so without any gear at all. They have no trouble dealing damage (mine is competitive in eight-player games, and in one player games everything dies in one nova except for act bosses, even broken immunes) and they come with a few tanks, too.

Also, skeletons, on the same necromancer (as you can see, this character is NOT specced for skeletons)...

Believe me, they'll be fine.


Hmm, very interesting. Maybe you could provide a full breakdown of skillpoint allocation? Or perhaps link to a guide for a build like this?
 

I_D

Member
On now:

neogaf//////believe



Currently in Act 1, working my way to Andy.

Account: Immortal_Daemon
 

V_Arnold

Member
Fugu said:
This is a late response, but this build is definitely possible... sort of.

Poison nova builds with strong skeletons are viable specifically because poison nova only takes 60 points to synergize, including the 20 it takes for poison nova. Skeletons only take 40 points, but it is not practical to max both as you *will* need lower resist for poison nova and you will probably want a clay golem, too. So you should expect that, after all is said and done, that you will have somewhere around 30 points to throw around into skeletons. This doesn't really leave you any room to get a decent bone prison but I don't know why you would use it anyway, and if you don't need it to have thousands of health, it will work fine with only one point (assuming you have some decent gear).

Having said that, you should know that skeleton mages are horrible and that while this build is possible, it's sort of a waste of points. If you want to invest into some kind of a minion, you should make it regular skeletons, not mages.

Thank you for the info, will definitely try this.
 

Kalnos

Banned
Okay, I made a hardcore barbarian on ladder.

Account name: Kalnos

I found a nice mace I won't be using if anyone on an early hardcore char wants it:

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muffs92

Member
I'll deff be getting in on this.
Haven't played d2 + lod in forever
can't believe I didn't think of using my keys to get it from bnet...
just gotta wait for them to finish dl'ing and i'll be on. it will most likely end up being tomorrow though...
 

muffs92

Member
I'm sure any significant news will end up being plastered all over ever gaming site in existence.
And sorry for the false hope in these bumps ;p
 

coopolon

Member
iamblades said:
Damn, i just built mine, and yours has more dps :p

Mine is +222% increased damage.

I still need to find a sol rune and a 4 socket polearm. Just started nightmare, hoping to get them pretty soon since I want to respec putting no points in energy.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
iamblades said:
Damn, i just built mine, and yours has more dps :p

Mine is +222% increased damage.

Heh. Well the roll on Insight doesn't really matter. The only reason you really want it is for the meditation aura it provides.
 

cwmartin

Member
On right now finally, so busy! Character name is Kambria. Undecided Amazon, whats fun these days, Pike/Jav/Bow?

Adding everyone in the OP

EDIT: Alright, B-net has a horrible friend limit. :(

I know i was third on the list, but starting my softcore Zon now.


GAFSTART//GAF


EDIT 2: False alarm, only had time to get to level 3 :(. Fuck the busy life i wanna play!

I'll repost and hop in IRC next time i have some time
 

cwmartin

Member
On a complete side-note. GameSurge is not at all what it used to be, kinda makes me really sad. I can remember idling channels back in the height of 1.6 competitive days, and IRC was THE place to be for anything competitive in the scene. Now it just kind of, exists... Man nostalgia gone wrong.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
cwmartin said:
On a complete side-note. GameSurge is not at all what it used to be, kinda makes me really sad. I can remember idling channels back in the height of 1.6 competitive days, and IRC was THE place to be for anything competitive in the scene. Now it just kind of, exists... Man nostalgia gone wrong.

IRC is still a place for nerds that were there before the internet became the internet. :(

YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME TO FACEBOOK CHAT. EVER.
 

PatzCU

Member
I'm going to jump in this as well. Does anyone have any advice on how to make this look decent on a widescreen lcd? I'm thinking I'll just have to change the aspect ratio to 4:3?
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
I'd run it in 4:3 anyway. Battle.net doesn't really like Widescreen hacks and things above 800x600 (which was the norm in the day) makes it look worse. :/
 

iamblades

Member
I just killed diablo on my hammerdin and got the best drop ever, lol

2 uniques, 2 rares, and a set item

Bloodletter, ichorsting, and death's touch.

If any sword barbs need the bloodletter, let me know, it's pretty sweet, probably gonna give the crossbow to my amazon.
 
Okay count me in.

Oblivionmancer - Oblivionmancer - Druid

Still torn between wind and werewolf, although I guess I can change my mind now--respec is pretty weird for me in this game, never had that option in all the hundreds of hours poured in in the past. Not that I'm complaining!
 

TheExodu5

Banned
Tideas said:
so i'm gonna paly a javazon.

What rune or jewel should I be aiming for?

That's a pretty loaded question. The top end jewel would be a lightning facet (+5% lightning damage, - 5% enemy lightning resist). Not a very common drop, though.

Really it's going to depend on your needs, though. You usually only go for facets when you have top end gear (lots of + skills and full resists).

Your weapon of choice is going to be ethereal titans, upgraded. Still, going to be quite a while before you get that. Until then, hope that you find some self replenishing javelins.
 

iamblades

Member
Tideas said:
so i'm gonna paly a javazon.

What rune or jewel should I be aiming for?

Hard question, rune words are a complicated question that depends largely on what you have access to.

As always an insight polearm on your merc can be useful. There are some nice low level runewords like stealth, and Ancient's pledge is awesome to get your resists up, and you get the runes for it automatically for completing the barbarian rescue quest in act V, all you gotta do is find a 3 socket shield for it, course you could get the same result or better with diamonds in the shield. Lore is a really nice low level helm for +skills, Nadir is even lower level helm but still really nice

A lot of the best runewords are weapon runewords, so as a javazon you are SoL.

Speaking of rune words, anyone have a vex rune they don't need? I need to make heart of the oak for my hammerdin.
 

GiJoccin

Member
iamblades said:
Hard question, rune words are a complicated question that depends largely on what you have access to.

As always an insight polearm on your merc can be useful. There are some nice low level runewords like stealth, and Ancient's pledge is awesome to get your resists up, and you get the runes for it automatically for completing the barbarian rescue quest in act V, all you gotta do is find a 3 socket shield for it, course you could get the same result or better with diamonds in the shield. Lore is a really nice low level helm for +skills, Nadir is even lower level helm but still really nice

A lot of the best runewords are weapon runewords, so as a javazon you are SoL.

Speaking of rune words, anyone have a vex rune they don't need? I need to make heart of the oak for my hammerdin.

isn't vex rune extremely rare?
 

TheExodu5

Banned
GiJoccin said:
isn't vex rune extremely rare?

It's quite rare. It's the first of what would be considered a high rune. It's basically the best drop you could expect from Hell Hellforge.

I know they've improved drop rates for all high runes in 1.13 though, so I don't know how easy it might be to get now.

Prior to 1.13, I've only found 1 Vex rune, and that was in The Pit (the first level 85 area in Hell, a dungeon in the Tamoe Highlands).

Vex is going to be highly sought after by all caster classes here, since it's used to create one of the best caster weapons around (and certainly the best when resists are a requirement...basically for people who don't have anni charms or resist scs). Heart of the Oak in a 4 socket ethereal flail (for lower requirements) makes an incredible caster weapon.

Heart of the Oak said:
+3 To All Skills
+40% Faster Cast Rate
+75% Damage To Demons
+100 To Attack Rating Against Demons
Adds 3-14 Cold Damage, 3 sec. Duration (Normal)
7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
+10 To Dexterity
Replenish Life +20
Increase Maximum Mana 15%
All Resistances +30-40
Level 4 Oak Sage (25 Charges)
Level 14 Raven (60 Charges)
 

iamblades

Member
GiJoccin said:
isn't vex rune extremely rare?

Yeah it's one of the first of the extremely rare ones, ie, doesn't drop off countess's special rune drop.

Also Exodu5 is right about why it's going to be in demand. +3 to all skills and +40% FCR is nuts for any caster. Plus nice resists and extra mana.

I should be able to craft the rune fairly easily once i get to hell and can farm hell countess a bit. a vex rune is basically 4 ists(the highest special rune drop off countess), 2 sapphires and a ruby. will just take a bit of work
 

TheExodu5

Banned
If anyone is ever going to make Call to Arms, I also found an ethereal superior 5 socket flail. :p

Probably not going to happen anytime soon though, considering it needs an Ohm.
 

iamblades

Member
Anyone else think those ghosts in act IV that shoot the giant lightning beams from off the screen and then disappear are total dicks?

lol
 

TheExodu5

Banned
iamblades said:
Anyone else think those ghosts in act IV that shoot the giant lightning beams from off the screen and then disappear are total dicks?

lol

Yes.

In Hell, they're the most dangerous enemies in Baal's Throne Room. Burning Souls. People used to get the wisp ring (+ max lightning resists) just for them.

I finished Nightmare yesterday, and the most dangerous enemies I fought were the Tomb Vipers in the Nihlatak level. If they hit me with their green bone spears, they could actually kill me in 1 shot (the spear seems to make contact 4-5 times if it hits you dead on).
 

GiJoccin

Member
yeah, act 3 hell the marsh has wisps. lightning attack that goes thru my merc, so even staying behind him doesn't do it. i had to teleport and spam mana pots to get past that area because i didnt have the patience to deal with them. i'll probably do the same next time they come up... so cheap!
 

cwmartin

Member
Thanks for getting up to Smith with me last night Maccas. (SLOW i know, but I don't have a whole lot of time to play).

Havent distributed any skill points yet. I am wishing I could play at work right now.

Anyone have any insight into viable Amazon play. Bow VS Jav/spear etc?
 

iamblades

Member
cwmartin said:
Thanks for getting up to Smith with me last night Maccas. (SLOW i know, but I don't have a whole lot of time to play).

Havent distributed any skill points yet. I am wishing I could play at work right now.

Anyone have any insight into viable Amazon play. Bow VS Jav/spear etc?

Jav is the more durable build, and does better single target damage, bow is good at mowing down rooms full of stuff really efficiently.

With respecs in the game now it might be worth it to level bow and respec jav at max level, dunno how much quicker you can do it.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
iamblades said:
Jav is the more durable build, and does better single target damage, bow is good at mowing down rooms full of stuff really efficiently.

With respecs in the game now it might be worth it to level bow and respec jav at max level, dunno how much quicker you can do it.

Yeah start bow then go jav. I'm pretty sure jav ends up being a much better AoE killer in the end.

Jav is pretty dependent on you getting a good weapon. Titans are a good start. Ethereal titans, upgraded are the best after that.

iamblades said:
Sweet i got vampire gaze off my first NM baal kill. That's going on my barb..

unique ethereal ring mail too..

Nice find!
 
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