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That actually fits with what I said, in that o think he was trying to play up our buddy relationship as part of defending himself and overdid it.
flatearthpandas
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Still haven't heard from everyone. Still more reasonable than assuming a complex gambit at this point. We can reevaluate once everyone has checked in and no one claims it.
Was really Acohrs protected day 1 and day 2? Day 1 he wasn't in danger as the showdown was between Crab (town), Squidy (town) and Swamped (?). He wasn't in the mix there. Day 2 people had some concern about him but almost nobody voted for him (just FEP, who is tunneling on him). It was all between Crab and Vere (town). Just day 3 he really had some heat on him.
His posting style felt too honest in other games where he was scum too. And he made a looooot of mistakes there too. That's why he was lynched day 1.
I would love to hear from you, as you are really null for me.
You have done that before and you where wrong. What's different this time from that?
CCS did it too.
What do you think about Kawl theory?
I only had one game to base my assessment of how he played off last time. Now I have three, so I feel that I have a better understanding of his playstyle.
Hi all, I'm rereading this dayphase's posts and realising that there is a lot of doubt about me. If lynching me will erase town's doubts about me and help to move on discussion towards finding scum then go for it. Being a lynchtarget each day will not be helpful for town and will distract from finding actual scum, so if it helps just lynch me now, see my flip, and then move on.
I don't know why people keep doing this. If you are town fight for your survival. Don't make the rest of us waste another day misslynching.
Why don't you share with us an updated read list? Has your opinion changed about anyone on your list?
Because spending another day trying to shift doubts from me is a worthless endeavour. The only way to convince the doubters now is see my flip. What if I survive again? Then the doubts become even stronger that I could be scum and my mates are protecting me. The only way that I think my reads or what I say could be taken seriously is for my flip to confirm my role. Then town will start looking elsewhere.
This was one of the thing that was bugging me. Why did in your read list had both Splinter and Sorian as scum for voting 2 townies but not Faddy?
Also why did you said there may be a connection between Kyan and Gorlak?
When did he post it? On mobile and struggling to find it.
Here you go:
What do you think about he listing Splinter and Sorian and not Faddy?
Also I keep forgetting that Burb is in the game. Burb, who do you think we should lynch today? Anyone who you find suspicious? What do you think of Acohrs, CCS and Swamped?
Also, I want to make one comment about the day 2 lynch, now we know it was town/town.
The following players put their vote on either Crab or Vere and never moved it.
Bronx (Crab)
Swamped (Crab)
Faddy (Crab)
Kyan (Vere)
All of them only put down one vote on D2, and they were on confirmed town. This is potentially suspicious to me, could be scum who were unfussed which town was lynched (Kyan) or who wanted to kill a strong town player (everyone else).
Of them, Kyan kept his vote on Vere D3, Swamped and Faddy both switched to Vere (with Swamped voting for confirmed scum Blarg earlier, Faddy previously voting achors), Bronx voted Sorian then TWE.
On D1, Kyan and faddy voted squidy (confirmed town), Swamped and Bronx voted Crab.
For me, the most suspicious is Faddy (voted confirmed town every day). Also slight suspicion for Kyan and Swamped for voting for for town all three days.
But my target is Faddy. To reiterate:
-Voted for different confirmed town players all three days.
-Only vote on D2 was Crab, suggesting possible scum who wanted to remove a strong town player.
VOTE: Faddy
The following players put their vote on either Crab or Vere and never moved it.
Bronx (Crab)
Swamped (Crab)
Faddy (Crab)
Kyan (Vere)
All of them only put down one vote on D2, and they were on confirmed town. This is potentially suspicious to me, could be scum who were unfussed which town was lynched (Kyan) or who wanted to kill a strong town player (everyone else).
Of them, Kyan kept his vote on Vere D3, Swamped and Faddy both switched to Vere (with Swamped voting for confirmed scum Blarg earlier, Faddy previously voting achors), Bronx voted Sorian then TWE.
On D1, Kyan and faddy voted squidy (confirmed town), Swamped and Bronx voted Crab.
For me, the most suspicious is Faddy (voted confirmed town every day). Also slight suspicion for Kyan and Swamped for voting for for town all three days.
But my target is Faddy. To reiterate:
-Voted for different confirmed town players all three days.
-Only vote on D2 was Crab, suggesting possible scum who wanted to remove a strong town player.
VOTE: Faddy
That is interesting, does gain some kudos for correct reads of Vere and Blarg. I was suspicious of Sorian so I can't judge that. Overall I don't agree with every inclusion and exclusion but it is a reasonable enough list (given revelations) that it could well be a town player's list.
Listing Splinter over Faddy is a bit strange but I can understand.
After town reading Faddy the first 2 days, I am starting to lean scum on him. As said in an earlier post, not including Faddy was a mistake. Whether you believe that or not is fine, but just wanted to reemphasise it.
LP was just about to raise my suspicion... His votes and reads didn't align. Now we've got wifom from his death: Was he killed to highlight Sorian's and Splinter's last minute change to Crab D2 or to prevent us from looking at them because scum wouldn't be this obvious?
I'm more on the side to look at them. Splinter is giving me a scum vibe for the longest time. Sorian raised no suspicion yet.
I'll go through Blarg's posts now. Already begun reading and D1 is full of shitposts and light connections to a lot of people, I don't know if finding the right things is possible.
Day end:
Shout out to nin. You tried to save yourself with the acohrs vote, it was more than just a typical nin vote, sorry to call you out.
Bronx voting acohrs and closing the vote gap to 1 vote 3 minutes before deadline was really suspicious. But Vere flipped town, so I can't see a reason to do this. When more time passes I'll be more inclined to follow occam's razor (he told the truth), but we'll see about that.
I'm more on the side to look at them. Splinter is giving me a scum vibe for the longest time. Sorian raised no suspicion yet.
I'll go through Blarg's posts now. Already begun reading and D1 is full of shitposts and light connections to a lot of people, I don't know if finding the right things is possible.
Day end:
Shout out to nin. You tried to save yourself with the acohrs vote, it was more than just a typical nin vote, sorry to call you out.
Bronx voting acohrs and closing the vote gap to 1 vote 3 minutes before deadline was really suspicious. But Vere flipped town, so I can't see a reason to do this. When more time passes I'll be more inclined to follow occam's razor (he told the truth), but we'll see about that.
What? Why would LP's death point to those votes specifically?
And why are you still treating my and Sorian's votes as the same when they are very clearly different?
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DAY 4 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
acohrs (2)
flatearthpandas 2750
StanleyPalmtree 2793
Swamped (1)
TheWorthyEdge 2791
*Splinter (1)
Swamped 2783
Faddy (1)
CCS 2816
No active vote for Day 4: *Splinter, acohrs, Bronx-Man, Burbeting, Faddy, franconp, Gorlak, Kawl_USC, Kyanrute, Sorian, WhereAreMahDragonz
Day 4 ends:
Automated vote tally here
9 votes for majority
acohrs (2)
flatearthpandas 2750
StanleyPalmtree 2793
Swamped (1)
TheWorthyEdge 2791
*Splinter (1)
Swamped 2783
Faddy (1)
CCS 2816
No active vote for Day 4: *Splinter, acohrs, Bronx-Man, Burbeting, Faddy, franconp, Gorlak, Kawl_USC, Kyanrute, Sorian, WhereAreMahDragonz
Day 4 ends:
Automated vote tally here
9 votes for majority
These three votes ensured that Crab was lynched, all of them were casted at xx:59 - what the fuck are you talking about them being completely different?
Things to consider:
I think there's at least one more scum, more likely two in the Crab lynch D2.
From D2 to D3 Kawl and Stan both changed their votes from Vere to acohrs, have to look into their reasoning.
Had the feeling Stan checked out after being poisoned and didn't really get back into the game when he was cured.
Kawl deserves an extra look now - he claimed to be busy earlier, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but that has passed. Town Kawl is much more active and looking at things, I get the feeling he could be scum. As scum Kawl tends to post much less and coast, which fits his style in this game if I remember right. Reread warranted.
Outliers: acohrs and franconp both voted outside the main contenders each day.
Read the damn thread then.
As we approach end of D2, there is a choice between Verelios and Crab
LP chooses Verelios in 2184*
Sorian chooses Verelios in 2200
I choose Crab in 2215
(*Admittedly this is kind of before Vere is a likely option, but LP and Vere both flipped town already so w/e)
After my vote, Crab has gained the lead with about a minute to go and noone else having indicated they will vote Vere. The vote is decided (especially now that we know both were town so scum wouldn't care to risk a final vote swing), and everything from this point is to avoid a tie (and this is where both Sorian and LP vote Crab).
Are you kidding me. Why? Have I not shown why I think these three votes are connected? This is the only thing I can read into LP's death and the Crab lynch is the most promising lead I have atm. What do you think LP's death points at?
I'll give it a reread, if you claim things to be this way. But what is your point? I should only concern myself with your vote?
What do you think of Sorian today?
I'll give it a reread, if you claim things to be this way. But what is your point? I should only concern myself with your vote?
What do you think of Sorian today?
Regards FEP's vote, I just generally feel good about strong gut reads. Yeah they could be wrong but more often than not it's a townie making them. Scum can also pretend to have gut reads (I've done this many times before) but usually it feels more artificial when they do, and in the end they will always feel a need to justify it. That's why I asked CCS for his updated read on acohrs because he strongly gut-read acohrs as town.
Kyan and Vere had that really heated discussion at the end of D2 (i think?) where they basically called each other names. It was extremely odd. Now that Vere has flipped town, I feel more strongly that that interaction was town vs town.
Dragonz, honestly it's less certain than my town Kyan read. Even though I scum-read her in D1 and D2, but since then she seems to be more engaged. She has opinions on CCS and achors. She also scum-reads Splinter which is an interesting stance. Dragonz, has that read changed? Would you vote for him? There hasn't been much focus on Splinter in this game so far. So, yeah, less sure about Dragonz but I want to hope for the best.
I'll go into more Stan detail in my next post. He seems quite coaster-like, but there are some other posts from him that I want to directly quote.
Can you explain this question better? Are you saying that you believed others thought you were scum?
I didn't say "better interactions". I said more interactions, which is true. He was a lot more active in this game, and he addressed a lot of players directly. So I thought between TWE and Vere, his flip would be more illuminating.
Arguments that he was being extremely defensive at even the most casual suspicion (although now we know he had a really good reason for it). Someone (I think Kyan?) made arguments earlier on in the game saying that Vere scum-read some people, but never really chased them. Posts like 2410 and 2431 definitely helped too. So to me Vere seemed like a more interested lynch prospect compared to TWE.
Also here's a post from me before the day end votes started.
Good to know about acohrs!
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I was strongly reading Faddy as town on D1 and D2, but he seems to be a lot quieter since then. I'm going to go through his D3 posts.
You'll have to be a bit more precise. What are you entertaining here? Who are the scum mates and why? Why does you theory not warrant a question for anyone of the mentioned people (in the quoted paragraph)? Feels like your throwing dirt and see what sticks.
So you post this, follow the logic chain except that you take exception to the nin kill (which with the NKs in this game I think it's a folly to try to get into the headset of why someone was killed), but think my theory is odd?
Which is it? If we should be doubting Bronx what's the Theory that explains it that isn't odd in your mind?
Things to consider:
I think there's at least one more scum, more likely two in the Crab lynch D2.
From D2 to D3 Kawl and Stan both changed their votes from Vere to acohrs, have to look into their reasoning.
Had the feeling Stan checked out after being poisoned and didn't really get back into the game when he was cured.
Kawl deserves an extra look now - he claimed to be busy earlier, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but that has passed. Town Kawl is much more active and looking at things, I get the feeling he could be scum. As scum Kawl tends to post much less and coast, which fits his style in this game if I remember right. Reread warranted.
Outliers: acohrs and franconp both voted outside the main contenders each day.
Meh, I've signed up for a few too many softball leagues, training for MS150 is ramping up, among other things. Social life is leaving less time for mafia, almost all of which is on my phone during work versus at home. Kind of hard to do much more than offer hot takes in that situation.
But I'm noting the soft push from a couple of people that I'm gaining suspicion and that they'll "need to read me over". Hope y'all put up or shut up before days end with some evidence of putting in that work, otherwise that's some scummy ass shade in which I'll assume at least one scum is jumping on.
And all of you keep hitting town. Maybe all of you should listen me more.
You know who want to get deep down into NK logic and use that to direct the conversation? Scum that's who. Considering they are the only ones working with full info and can direct the wifom to the side they wish.
Between jumping on the shade train, this, and the lingering non presence of gryvan the first days, you're rubbing me the wrong way dude.
Vote: Gorlak
That's an ambivalent statement you're making here. Is it reasonable or weird from him?
Kawl is one of the people to highlight that Bronx could be lying, that should be kept in mind. But so did you after Bronx' claim and again after Stan survived the night.
Why did you vote TWE in the first place? You were on Vere D2, so what changed?
What's this bullshit? Call people out if you have reason to instead of making noises.
Because, as I said before, I was vacillating between those two. I could see reasonable arguments for both. So I started with TWE, then became convinced that Vere was a better vote after thinking about it some more.
You've done the exact same thing as town before.
I mean, I briefly scum read Splinter earlier, and until I read back over the votes I had Faddy down as aggressive town rather than scum.
This thinking is so pervasive here it hurts. Voting outside the two or three viable lynch chains is bad play. It lets you skirt responsibility and pretend to be better and above it all.
Talk is cheap in saying which of the two you found more or less scummy when you don't have a vote at days end backing it up.
News flash, no one gives a shit how many town you end up mislynching, you're gonna be wrong (which yes means I'm calling out those looking into people solely because they were on all 3 lynched targets at this point), it's about lynching scum at days end.
I may find gorlak disagreeable but here he has a point. Voting outside the leading contenders is a selfish thing to do in a team game.
Pick. A. Side.
Right so you're saying it's better to lynch one of two viable targets and just bus than voting for who you honestly think is scum? That is dumb and perfect for scum.
Kyan, where's the shitpost. Why are you all serious? What do you make of a universe in which town Vere decided to ignore you? Where are you at now?
1 - I don't understand this question. You presented votes as being the same, I pointed out how they are different.
2 - You are repeating yourself here. I am asking why this is the main (only?) thing from LP you feel is worth looking at.
3 - Why do you think this? Crab's lynch we now know was town v town. Verelios lynch is town v unknown with much more vote movement (including swamped, a top suspect, making multiple votes that protect the "unknown").
4 - I don't think it points to anything specific, but I never said you shouldn't look at those votes, I asked why you thought his death pointed to those votes. If you're concerned about WIFOM then you must think the link is at least somewhat obvious.
5 - Nope, never said anything like this. My point is you presented these votes as the same when actually Sorian chose Verelios and I chose Crab. That's either lazy or deliberately misleading.
6 - As I said he's someone I want to look at more today as there are a couple of things that concern me. I don't like how certain he was about Blarg, I feel he presents a very oversimplified method of determining Blarg's alignment. He argued Blarg had made no strong push this game and is therefore scum, but Blarg did make a push this game (for Crab). He has also made "no tie" votes in both D1 and D2. These are generally NAI but that makes them convenient for scum to hide behind. They are also quite easy for scum to manufacture when there is a town v town situation (just vote for the underdog) like we saw in both days.
It just feels a bit lazy to me to scumread both CCS and acohrs. Does someone honestly think they would be on the same scum team the way they have been interacting here? I don't think so, especially with how strongly CCS has been reading acorn as town - scum would be more reticent about posts like that. In general he also feels like he's been under the radar, and his votes for CCS and acorn feel like he's trying to blend in as seamlessly as possible.
acohrs - what's your latest read on CCS?
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The day phases are much shorter now. Will have to hurry on my reads on Kawl and Faddy. I will read Dragonz more as well. I cooled off on her since Crab flipped town, but I want to still go through her posts.
BTW did anyone else receive a banana? No need to say if you don't want to.
Yes. 100% yes.
Have your vote on your scummiest dude for most of the day, but come the days end you should feel more strongly one way or the other for one of the targets. If you feel both are town vote to save the one you read more as town. But you shouldn't feel the same about them as town, but will be at least mostly unknowns to you.
You know who you can be sure will be getting in on a town v scum vote, scum. Keeping your vote off the viable targets let's their votes carry greater weight. That is actually perfect for scum. Well that and keeping your vote on who you "really see as scum" who is never getting ousted in a tvt situation so you don't catch flak for a townie.
And people keep being loose in their usage of terms like lynch, bus, etc and it's getting to the point of obfuscation of meaning. Can we please be specific with the terms we are using.
Why would I vote for someone who I think is town? Just to please you? I'm voting for who I think is scum.
I wasn't around for both day 1 and day 3 deadlines. I also won't be around for any deadline during a work day. I make my vote well in advance and give plenty of reasons why.
If you want to kill townies to pick a side be my guess. There's nothing to gain there as you are voting with a weak justification. Look how people are defending those weak votes? "I scum readed him a little more". That's shit. What can you get from that? I will keep trying to hunt scum.
Yes, acohrs and ccs do this song and dance in every game. I read their interactions as exteremely NAI for them both. You can call that meta or whatever you like, but they've shown that they act completely illogically as far as the other person is concerned nearly always. So I don't see any problem in reading both as scum. Do I think they both are? Nah, but it's not an impossible take on the situation.
Right, and you've explained your reasons for voting Vere and had mentioned him earlier in the day. I'm asking for your reasons for voting Worthy and whether or not you had talked about them before your vote.
And I can't roll my eyes hard enough at the bolded. Swamped pls.
No I hadn't, because as I said, I wasn't interested to lynch either of them. I had other targets in mind. I really had no idea who to vote for, so I really had to think about who would be a better lynch, Vere or TWE, and my conclusion was Vere after some back-and-forth in my mind.