I do, the only change I'd make is add Faddy and put him as leaning scum now.
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I do, the only change I'd make is add Faddy and put him as leaning scum now.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Uhm...yes? Were you not there towards the end of the day?
Hey I'm here. Sorry had some IRL stuff happening.
I am playing terribly in this game. Been on the lynch everyday and it has been a townie.
You can read that one of two ways.
1. I am a bad town player and all my reads are wrong
2. I am a scum player and have put myself on every lynch
It is definitely situation 1. I actually feel really bad about flipping from achors to vere because I was basing it on my reads which have been awful. Not that I shouldn't be suspicious of Kawl and Stan but that I should be more trustful of the players on the Vere lynch.
So in that spirit I am voting for Sorian. I have ignored the little doubts for too long.
VOTE: Sorian
I am playing terribly in this game. Been on the lynch everyday and it has been a townie.
You can read that one of two ways.
1. I am a bad town player and all my reads are wrong
2. I am a scum player and have put myself on every lynch
It is definitely situation 1. I actually feel really bad about flipping from achors to vere because I was basing it on my reads which have been awful. Not that I shouldn't be suspicious of Kawl and Stan but that I should be more trustful of the players on the Vere lynch.
So in that spirit I am voting for Sorian. I have ignored the little doubts for too long.
VOTE: Sorian
TheWorthyEdge
Member
WMD with the post regarding *splinter's engagement is silly. He's probably the most active today.
I don't think acorhs not having Faddy on his list is weird but then him adding it and being like "oh yeah, the people say I should have Faddy on my list so I'm gonna add him" seems off to me.
I don't think acorhs not having Faddy on his list is weird but then him adding it and being like "oh yeah, the people say I should have Faddy on my list so I'm gonna add him" seems off to me.
What is tour read on acohrs? And Swamped?
You know why it's weird that acohrs don't hace Faddy un his scum list, right?
Something you want to share?
well we have a hero of all things living the one the only
BRONX-MAN
but there is a minor problem
what is a superhero to do
if there is nobody to save
???
1. Splinter we were of different minds at that matter. For me the votes are connected and that's why LP's death points at them. That was the first thing jumping at me, when I looked at the vote overview.
I can summarize it again, if you'd like: Crab was on the verge to survive D2, Tie in votes, three last minute votes come in, he dies.
The other candidate is revealed to be town, one of these late votes against Crab is revealed to be from town. It is possible that scum wants us to falsely look at the remaining two late votes or they want to wifom us away from that possibility or neither of course.
Look at my posts yesterday. I compared the three votes and lumped them together as a group. You called me out for this back then. I don't understand why you would be surprised to see me operating under the same assumption today.
I don't think we'll come together at this point. You think you decided the vote alone, I think the others (-LP only Sorian remains) also played a part in this.
*Wait, or are you saying LP and Sorian wouldn't have jumped on Vere in the first place?
3. As you say it's confirmed that D2 was town-town. It's likely scum pushed for Crab and wanted him out. This is much more useful than the shot in the dark of assuming what happened yesterday. D2 is our best lead vote wise.
After looking at Blarg's post history, there might be another one though.
6. What's NAI?
How did no one quote this garbage and say something about it? Self-deprecating, would have totally changed their vote of a town member (bonus points if acohrs is scum and Worthy can point at it later) and more Bronx garbage when there is no new information but suddenly he is 100% proven? You know what that sounds like more than anything? Bronx is a poison doctor (or at least not scum) and scum team has known if from the start since he isn't on their team. They now assume regular town would think he is scum and they are going towards complete belief to compensate and look how they think town should look. Someone else was just as 100% sure near day start too.
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
They are completely different. L_P didn't want to vote for Crab, he wanted to avoid ties, and he was town so you can obviously believe it. Mine was the same, my alignment is unknown so that's on you to figure out. Splinter voted at a point where he literally decided the entire lynch. There are other voters so it's not like Splinter gets all the blame but of the three of us who voted, you pretending like the time frame makes all of the votes the same is ridiculous.
It's reasonable to be calling out the people following Bronx like sheep. It was weird that he jumped into a conspiracy theory when the real issue is how agreeable some people were.
Seattle. I'm trying to be as active as I can.
Where is the reason for voting me? You talk a lot of non-sense self-defense and then plop a vote down on me. Where's the reasoning?
It was unclear who the scum mates would be in your posts, it was possible to read it in different manners. So Sorian and acohrs. Because Sorian did what he was doing all game, trying to make sure we don't end up in a tie?
Sure, one possibility, but I don't understand why you would merely point it out instead of asking both of them what they think of each other or anything else? You seem eager to asks questions today and engaged acohrs after this post, but haven't adressed Sorian at all.
Hard proof in a game of mafia? Come on.
You admit to having done this in earlier games, I accuse you of having done the same this game. Simple as that.
Vote: wherearemahdragonz
I'm still comfortable that Swamped is Town. Achors I am null on.
You've flip flopped on Burb's alignment. Swamped pointed it out yesterday: here #2508. You didn't remember to have scumread him, which was remarkable. you also didn't react to that post in any way.
Ah okay this makes more sense
Question though: you call the theory I posited a crazy conspiracy theory, but what's the more believable alternative in which Bronx is lying? If there isn't one, then blindly following Bronx is the only alternative yes? So you can't have it both ways duders.
Why are you obsessed with this idea that that I'm some mastermind scummate? Wasn't it just earlier this game people were grilling me for being the dumbest town alive?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I am watching
Both of you being so insistent that the votes were completely different makes me wonder about my view.
When I look at the last minute I see Splinter voting. And three posts later you vote Crab as well. Are you claiming to have seen Splinter's vote? I'd not think so. For me these votes were independent from another and you as well as Splinter could've ensured that Crab was the lynch.
You are one of the things you mention. Up to you to prove that you are the latter.
First off, no. A normal person would still be skeptical of Bronx. Second, what I took issue with is that your main focus has been theorizing this while you are here. We don't get you for much time and we end up with you trying to puzzle out Bronx instead of making actual reads.
No, that was you calling yourself that after your claim. Stop projecting.
Obviously I did, you actually think I spent all day defending Crab and then said fuck it at the last minute and swerved the other way? Why do you think I said "Crab it is" in my vote? Splinter made it so that Crab was the choice for the day, I couldn't vote against it because of the possible tie. (Plus I was on the other wagon anyway, I think, so it's not like I could stop the vote even if I wanted to.)
Yea I like puzzles. I thought it would be obvious it's the part of that game that really engages me after discussing peeking in mini 1 or probabilities of different role rolls in mini 2. I've provided several reads which are self evident in my votes. These mostly come as reactions to things that are posted while I'm keeping up with the thread. Typically I form reads by essentially iso'ing people but that takes far more time then I've had available this game.
I think gorlak and acohrs are scummy. I concur that some other people seem to be low contributors (burb, ccs, fep, etc) which likely contain a scum but I don't have any strong feelings on any particular one. Town lean wise I'm hard pressed to pick any one out as being head and shoulders above others. Maybe kyan despite his deluge of shit posts in the vere conversation as he's been on top of the ball outside of that.
So in the case where there isn't some teamed effort between Stanley and Bronx to fake the curing of the fake poison, Bronx is poison doc. Right? Town can trust a doctor that's usually a pretty town aligned role.
Or do you think fake claim, smoke screen for a poison doc is likely? That would require the real poison doc to be sharp enough to know to play along and not reveal unless Bronx was getting undue credit.
Hm, okay I think that's as reasonable a likelihood as the theory I am putting forth. Seems it was fair to say I may have gotten to far down the rabbit hole with not considering other situations in which Bronx is lying. Mea Culpa.
Hmm, top three right now would be Gorlak, Kawl and fran.
I've been stalking you again.
tldr on bronx
- gets pressured on day one, meaningful because of events to come
- claims poison doc in his 1st post on day two in response to stan's post about how he was poisoned
- implies some sort of defensive powers, never specifies them
- explains that he claimed because of the d1 pressure, can be somewhat unconvincing considering that the day had just started and one cannot be sure how the future goes - would've bronx gotten heat on day two no matter what?
- in addition, justifies claiming in order to save stan, whose alignment should be unknown
- expects to die after saving stan because of reasons, hinting at a single-use defense or something, again, not specified
- is seemingly indifferent about the greater threat of continuous poisoning and its effects on town, mentions the possibility of saving multiple people only after someone raises the point
- in general ain't that forthcoming about anything in relation to his claim and much of the details come only after pressuring him
- some of the better possible explanations even come from people other than bronx and bronx does not comment on those
- after the initial heat from his claim dies down, pretty much focuses on being convinced about how crab is scum
- crab flips town, bronx has his vote on him
- stan lives come day three, nin claims to have been poisoned
- some odd theory about superb scum plays is written
- in general bronx does very little after his claim, seems to be only interested in defending himself, there be no reads or anything
- nin.exe is deleted with vere, no mention of poison for what it is worth
- on day four nobody is claiming to have been poisoned
- bronx does not seem to be too concerned about the above fact
- gets pressured on day one, meaningful because of events to come
- claims poison doc in his 1st post on day two in response to stan's post about how he was poisoned
- implies some sort of defensive powers, never specifies them
- explains that he claimed because of the d1 pressure, can be somewhat unconvincing considering that the day had just started and one cannot be sure how the future goes - would've bronx gotten heat on day two no matter what?
- in addition, justifies claiming in order to save stan, whose alignment should be unknown
- expects to die after saving stan because of reasons, hinting at a single-use defense or something, again, not specified
- is seemingly indifferent about the greater threat of continuous poisoning and its effects on town, mentions the possibility of saving multiple people only after someone raises the point
- in general ain't that forthcoming about anything in relation to his claim and much of the details come only after pressuring him
- some of the better possible explanations even come from people other than bronx and bronx does not comment on those
- after the initial heat from his claim dies down, pretty much focuses on being convinced about how crab is scum
- crab flips town, bronx has his vote on him
- stan lives come day three, nin claims to have been poisoned
- some odd theory about superb scum plays is written
- in general bronx does very little after his claim, seems to be only interested in defending himself, there be no reads or anything
- nin.exe is deleted with vere, no mention of poison for what it is worth
- on day four nobody is claiming to have been poisoned
- bronx does not seem to be too concerned about the above fact
My poison healing can't be role-blocked ever. Jesus christ, I've said this like five times now.
This I noticed too. I'm not saying we should lynch Bronx because he may be our defence against the poisoner but it's worrying how little Bronx participated in the game besides defending himself. Is there any reads by him?
Why don't you help us a little Bronx? At least top towns and top scums.
But then when people were concerned about other roles manipulating you and how you did not seem to take those into account when you claimed, you said nothing.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
so first, i dont think i have ever said im sure both are scum, they certainly could be, but really im just sure at least one are, and its not like im trying to get both lynched at one. flip one and i guarantee it will make me rethink my scum-read of the other according to the new information.
i cant say im a fan of how your just blanketing basic mafia strategy over those two without any apparent regard to the particulars.
sure, a normal scum team would not draw so much attention nearly so much attention, but a W/W of CCS and acorn is never going to be a normal scum pairing. the relationship they have in absolutely inescapable to both them, and everyone that has played (or just looked at) any mafia game with the two of them, its just a natural extension of thier friendship outside of the game.
if they were both scum on the same team, to act apart and distrustful of each other would just be unnatural, unnatural to everyone watching that knows them, and to themselves. i dont think either are particularly great scum players, and to ask them to convincingly, and consistently, act distrustful of each other would be an extremely difficult feat for the both of them, and it wouldn't even help them much as many here would just be expecting the opposite of them anyway. much easier for them to just act as they normally do, and count of that being what most would expect from them, or that they would think that 'no scum would so openly engage with themselves like that'
a w/w team between CCS and acorns would absolutely act as cooperatively as they have.
"lazy"
pfft
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
also in regards to the question about burb.
he is my strongest scum read after CS and acorns.
his genuine participation has been practically non-existent, and the tiny bits we have gotten from him were either mafia 101, or some poorly thought out gun jumping.
he is my strongest scum read after CS and acorns.
his genuine participation has been practically non-existent, and the tiny bits we have gotten from him were either mafia 101, or some poorly thought out gun jumping.
I said the possibility didn't occur to me until after it pointed out to me as probable.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
someone mentioned earlier that it seemed like i had checked out after the poisoning thing and never really got my head back into this.
thats actually a lot truer than i realized. and sorry for that, was pretty unfair of me.
will definitely try do better from now.
thats actually a lot truer than i realized. and sorry for that, was pretty unfair of me.
will definitely try do better from now.
I don't understand this. You didn't realized that you couldn't be roleblocked until someone else pointed that out? Isn't that in your role description?
And that is one of the issues. Why did not not occur to you? Why did you not think of the possible counters to your role / what made you think that they should not exist? Why did you not think about the timing of the claim? Why did you not care about saving multiple people? Why were you certain that you'd be killed instead of kept alive as a point of eternal confusion? Why did others do the defending for you?
I could keep on going. There is a lot of these oddities.
I remember answering this, but I just went back and can't find it. Fine.
I did not "flip flop" on Burb. I scumread him on D1 from a very early interaction. He then started D2 with a slightly weird reaction post/vote (which I called out at the time).
Throughout the rest of the day my scumread waned, presumably he was contributing more throughout but day I don't remember anything specific. He was also getting a lot of lazy shade thrown at him which I think I mentioned late D2 or 3. At some point between start of D2 and when swamped question me on D3 my read had turned into a lean town.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
regarding the oddities in bronx's roleclaim, keep in mind why he made it, the circumstances leading up to it.
basically the way i see it, bronx has had a pretty rough past few mafia games, basically being scum read/lynched damn near immediately in each one. history was repeating itself in this game too, and having seen this happen like 4 times before, the frustration and panic lead bronx to claim without thinking things fully through, and being already somewhat resigned to being lynched again, not really caring to much about the more obvious negative consequences.
its not good play by any means, but it does make sense.
that said, im pretty darn biased here, him already having saved my life and all.
basically the way i see it, bronx has had a pretty rough past few mafia games, basically being scum read/lynched damn near immediately in each one. history was repeating itself in this game too, and having seen this happen like 4 times before, the frustration and panic lead bronx to claim without thinking things fully through, and being already somewhat resigned to being lynched again, not really caring to much about the more obvious negative consequences.
its not good play by any means, but it does make sense.
that said, im pretty darn biased here, him already having saved my life and all.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
DAY 4 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
acohrs (2)
flatearthpandas 2750
StanleyPalmtree 2793
Swamped (2)
TheWorthyEdge 2791
*Splinter 2898
Gorlak (1)
Kawl_USC 2835
Sorian (1)
Faddy 2903
WhereAreMahDragonz (1)
Gorlak 2913
Bronx-Man (1)
Kyanrute 2911
TheWorthyEdge (1)
Sorian 2910
*Splinter (1)
Swamped 2783
Faddy (1)
CCS 2816
No active vote for Day 4: acohrs, Bronx-Man, Burbeting, franconp, WhereAreMahDragonz
Day 4 ends:
Automated vote tally here
9 votes for majority
acohrs (2)
flatearthpandas 2750
StanleyPalmtree 2793
Swamped (2)
TheWorthyEdge 2791
*Splinter 2898
Gorlak (1)
Kawl_USC 2835
Sorian (1)
Faddy 2903
WhereAreMahDragonz (1)
Gorlak 2913
Bronx-Man (1)
Kyanrute 2911
TheWorthyEdge (1)
Sorian 2910
*Splinter (1)
Swamped 2783
Faddy (1)
CCS 2816
No active vote for Day 4: acohrs, Bronx-Man, Burbeting, franconp, WhereAreMahDragonz
Day 4 ends:
Automated vote tally here
9 votes for majority
But why? I mean sure, this is possible and I'm asking more a game state question but why would Ouro ever include this?
Also, what? You didn't think about it until I pointed it out to you? Really?
I'm mostly worried about the unblockable part. It's really OP. And doesn't seems as he can make a good explain about it.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Unless Bronx fully claims I'm not buying anything he says
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
yeah, that is a much more valid concern,
the most i could say about that is just how much we dont know about what roles/mechanics make up this game.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
That's hardly an explanation though. Like that's a really poor excuse for too many inconsistencies.