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[Mr Moose]

Wasn't the argument once that one should separate the statements and actions of developers from their games/art?
I can at least remember such arguments when Hogwarts was "canceled" by ideologues.

Wasn't the Hogwarts thing about J.K. Rowling? She's not a dev.
I'm buying this (Ghost of) game (I bought Hogwarts as well), but sometimes cunts need to be fired.

 

[midnightAI]

I'd say the vast majority of devs, coders, artists etc just want to get their head down to create a product and make money.

You would have to be an absolute fuck nut to post somthing like that.
It's tasteless, inhumane and selfish.
Really stupid idea that puts yours and your staff jobs in jeopardy.
Game dies because of tweet. heads roll.

Don't you think its a bit extreme to boycott a game because of a single devs views though?
Isn't this the same as those saying we should boycott Hogwarts due to JK Rowlings views/opinions?

I think both are as stupid as each other (not condoning either by the way, I don't need to like what either have said, but its their opinion). Your first point is the one that is the most valid, most devs just don't care about politics within large studios, those that do care about politics are in the (vocal) minority and we would like to think that they were employed due to their technical ability not due to their race, colour, gender, political leanings or personal opinions (I'm sure some of that does go on though to be clear).

I personally (mostly) separate art from artist unless the artist has done something extremely illegal, even then its personal choice (some musicians have committed murder yet their music is still listened to). I, for example, do not agree with the hypocritical views of David Draiman, but I am going to watch Disturbed in October, and can't wait to do so (I watched them live when Down with Sickness was released and this is the 25th Anniversary so seems like the perfect time to see them again but my missus has never seem them live and its one of her favourite bands, they are touring with Megadeth who, for some reason, I have never seen live so bonus for me )

 

[DirtInUrEye]

None of the sort, it's basic human decency after such a horrific event.

If someone took out Vladimir Solovyov tomorrow there would be a small tide of open celebration and nobody would give a hoot about his family under the circumstances. It would be a fuck him and a fuck them situation.

 

[calico]

Why is this in the "Gaming" section?

Because it pertains to game developers, presumably. It's not like the title is vague if you wanted to avoid the topic within.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I don't know if it was posted before but Asmongold is going to do a video about all these devs.

You can write them down in the replies:



That should give these this vile, rotten sorry excuses for humans some exposure. Maybe finally they will face accountability for their disgusting behavior.
If some other big accounts like Elon retweet it, it might force the studios to act.

Christ, can you imagine the damage this would do if it wasn't just a bunch of larpers, sucking on old I.P's that were made by more competent people..

I might actually be concerned somewhat.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

Wasn't the argument once that one should separate the statements and actions of developers from their games/art?
I can at least remember such arguments when Hogwarts was "canceled" by ideologues.

Buy the game if you want to or don't. Many won't because of this. No one is asking for it to be banned from sale. Just like you, others will decide whether they want to support the studio or not.

 

[Gubaldo]

Yeah these retards exposing themselves .Good keep it coming

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

For the record, if someone killed a raging Stalinist I wouldn't be celebrating that but condemning it. There's no excuse for this behaviour and should result in the immediate termination of their employee status. What the hell is going on at these studios.

 

[Radical_3d]

If someone took out Vladimir Solovyov tomorrow there would be a small tide of open celebration and nobody would give a hoot about his family under the circumstances. It would be a fuck him and a fuck them situation.

Maybe this isn't the best thread to post drunk, fellow gaffer.

 

[ElFenomeno]

No? No empathy for a man killed for having an opinion? How about his wife and kids?

Didnt the guy said empathy is a woke term? And then right after 3 children were killed in a school shooting, he said that such things are totally OK in a society where citizens are armed?
So I can see why many people don't have any empathy for this guy.

 

[Windom Earle]

I don't know if it was posted before but Asmongold is going to do a video about all these devs.

You can write them down in the replies:



That should give these this vile, rotten sorry excuses for humans some exposure. Maybe finally they will face accountability for their disgusting behavior.
If some other big accounts like Elon retweet it, it might force the studios to act.

lmao bring it

 

[kat_on_the_roof]

Yes because murder and people REEEEEing about JK Rowling is absolutely the same.

Buy the game if you want to or don't. Many won't because of this. No one is asking for it to be banned from sale. Just like you, others will decide whether they want to support the studio or not.

I didn't mean to turn this into a political discussion. I'm just curious. Sometimes the unofficial "rules" in the forum aren't entirely clear to me.

 

[Zathalus]

That is ridiculous, you wanting something to change but doing nothing to accomplish it has the has the same outcome as not caring. It is quintessential virtue signalling.

The idea that both you are not going to do anything about any issue because you can address them all equally simultaneously. You can just pick an issue and focus on it. Why not change you habits for one issue. Doesn't have to be this one. But this is a good tactical choice: its target is specific, has specific and limited demands, other corps have already buckled see DC so we know it's feasible, The thing you claim to want we not be achieved without pressure.

You don't know anything about me, there are plenty of causes I support and participate in that are far more relevant to myself and my community than boycotting a product over some terrible tweets from a handful of employees. Like volunteering for a nonprofit, or extending my assistance to my local special education school. Going out and actually making a difference that matters to me instead of patting myself on the back because I didn't buy a game from those crazy liberals.

 

[Radical_3d]

Didnt the guy said empathy is a woke term? And then right after 3 children were killed in a school shooting, he said that such things are totally OK in a society where citizens are armed?
So I can see why many people don't have any empathy for this guy.

So they are basically like him. See the problem?

 

[StereoVsn]

I won't make a list, just mention everthing James Gunn is involved in as an example. There is more to find, regardless of people shouting 'conspiracy theory' whenever topics like these are mentioned.

and you're right. There is a difference between stopping the support of a product vs the entire company. Or part of a team directly involved in creating a game vs the parent company.

Gunn is involved in what? Give a concrete example because I have some doubts that Warner Brothers would let him run their DC shop if he had those sorts of issues.

Not that I am particularly enamored of his work, but throwing a name like that is BS.

 

[Windom Earle]

This threadmark from the purple dumpster is crazy

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

Questions:
Why is this in the "Gaming" section?
Who the hell is Charlie Kirk and why should us EU Gaffers give any two fucks about some dude getting shot in the US?
Why should we give any two fucks about the opinions of a few artists who worked on a product with hundreds others?
What happend to separation of artist and art?
Why was the Politics Section banned when this crap seeps into everything now?
Cant you Americans leave your completely insane political bullshit out of Gaming?

I thought thread whining was a bannable offense.
Do you see the little eyeball icon with a slash through it next to the date on the Discussions page? Tap that and go away.

 

[Topher]

Yeah. I wouldn't stop buying a game that interest me because the dev is a jerk (I bought Fez), but I know better about GAF and the customers in general and I know they do.

Everyone has to make that choice for themselves. Right now....I'm pretty disgusted by what I've seen from these devs. I'm debating whether I think they deserve my money or not. But that's just me and my personal values and my conscious having to come to a decision. That's not "hate".

 

[calico]

If someone took out Vladimir Solovyov tomorrow there would be a small tide of open celebration and nobody would give a hoot about his family under the circumstances. It would be a fuck him and a fuck them situation.

Wouldn't that response be mostly from the same people as this one?

 

[calico]

And then right after 3 children were killed in a school shooting, he said that such things are totally OK in a society where citizens are armed?

I would be astonished if he said it was "totally OK" for children to be killed. Are you sure you might not be wildly misrepresenting what he said?

 

[Radical_3d]

I thought thread whining was a bannable offense.
Do you see the little eyeball icon with a slash through it next to the date on the Discussions page? Tap that and go away.

No. Thread whining was baneable with the previous mod team (now in Era). And he made a good point. The ban over politics here is somewhat feeble and arbitrary. I certainly didn't need to get this angry this noon.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

So, Gaf has now become Cancel-culture?

Nah bro if this was canceled culture you would have places like Reddit or reset era not even allow you to say what you're saying right now. You don't have to agree with what everything one person says but in as respectful of a manner and tactful as he was and as imperfect as he was, this is undeserved and people on that side unfortunately are why I have left that party and can associate with the stupidity. If people can't step back and see that and unplug from The matrix and think a little bit more for themselves instead of what you're taught to think from universities or the mainstream media, then you may be more part of that problem than you think. Because I have been the same conservative migrant Mary to another minority for a long time and this is a bunch of bullshit the way the United States media and politics are going. And a lot of that stems from democratic side, that may hurt to read but that's just the fact. And that's not to say the other side but this is one of the most Christian conservative role models the youth has these days that was gunned down in an unfair manner. There's no way to sugarcoat or mental gymnastic explain this away. It's wrong and anybody supporting it it shows their colors and I don't wish them bad that's the difference I just wish the world wasn't like this.

 

[GrayChild]

Everyone has to make that choice for themselves. Right now....I'm pretty disgusted by what I've seen from these devs. I'm debating whether I think they deserve my money or not. But that's just me and my personal values and my conscious having to come to a decision. That's not "hate".

Even if I consider myself a "separate the art from the artist" type of guy, I can't help but feel kinda vindicated at the purple/pronoun retards getting a taste of their own medicine.

We still remember Kara Lynne, Dan Vavra, Tim Soret, Adrian Chmielarz and all the rest who suffered under the boot of these cunts. Time to reciprocate!

Let's not forget they went even after Hulst:

So fuck them and bring on the blacklists.

 

[Madserb2023]

These devs are not just exposing being psychopaths, but also incredibly stupid, especially if they work for Sony. Shinzo Abe was assassinated. They aren't going to take kindly to people celebrating political assassination. They will be unemployed shortly.

 

[StereoVsn]

Woof, now I've seen this its clearly misrepresented lol.

He is saying that regardless of what they do with the law there will still be gun deaths. And he is right, even in the UK we have 22 confirmed this year and it seems to average around 30 with data from previous years. One of the safest countries from guns.

He is making the point that there will be a delta of death between 'deaths that will happen anyway due to firearms' and 'potential avoidable deaths if gun laws were passed'. He considers that a valid trade off to retain the second amendment. And yes, there is an irony in that he now has been killed by someone with a gun.

But assassinations are not events that would fall into that latter category anyway, so the point is just trying some weak gotcha on social media. Assassinations would definitely fall into the first category i.e. a death that was going to happen anyway by hook or crook.

Couple things here.

1. Yes, assassination was a vile thing, not to be celebrated.
2. We are the ONLY developed country with this level of gun violence and murder rates. UK per capita murders are a fraction. Throw in assault and robberies enabled by guns and it grows even more.

It is ridiculous to argue that having extremely loose gun laws, made even looser by Republicans and current administration, have no impact.

This murder, and countless others done daily are a direct consequence.

Would shootings happen if gun ownership was more restrictive and we didn't have ~400 Million firearms in civilian hands? Yes, but at a rate that would be magnitudes lower.

 

[Three]

He is saying that regardless of what they do with the law there will still be gun deaths. And he is right, even in the UK we have 22 confirmed this year and it seems to average around 30 with data from previous years. One of the safest countries from guns.

22 is not high when compared to the 46,728 gun deaths the US has.

By population too
22/69M = 0.32 per million
46,728/340M = 137 per million


That's 428x as many gun deaths.

 

[Holammer]

Is it really to be expected that a company should issue a public statement every time an individual employee expresses a personal opinion that is some bullshit like in this case?

Yes. Yes it is. If I worked at Sony I would be in panic mode right now.
DC just canceled the new Red Hood comic series because the author celebrated the murder on social media and the first issue just came out, they refunded retailers for future orders AND the new magazine already delivered to retailers.

(This comic, review is only 18 hours old)

Red Hood #1 Review

Coming off the events of Batman: H2SH, Jason Todd finds himself out of Gotham and in the city of New Angelique. He’s looking for a new start and investigating a series of murders involving the city…

batman-news.com

 

[Unknown Soldier]

This threadmark from the purple dumpster is crazy

We used to think they were insane and extremist

Today, we have confirmed they are actually average leftists going by the reactions on places like Bluesky and Reddit

Never forget: "When people tell you who they are, believe them"

 

[Radical_3d]

and this is a bunch of bullshit the way the United States media and politics are going. And a lot of that stems from democratic side,

I agree with everything you've said except this. Let me tell you as a fellow conservative from Europe that from the outside the true bonker ones seem to be the republicans. Probably many conservatives from Europe would vote democrats in the States (not AOC and other far left ones, but the establishment ones like Hillary for sure).

 

[thefool]

I am lucky, being a white heterosexual male, nobody important has ever tried to take my rights away or argue I shouldn't exist.

You can't even apply logic to your own fallacies, he was killed because he was a white heterosexual male.

 

[nbkicker]

Wasn't the Hogwarts thing about J.K. Rowling? She's not a dev.
I'm buying this (Ghost of) game (I bought Hogwarts as well), but sometimes cunts need to be fired.

No j.k rowling just said it as it is a man is a man, a woman is a woman, people can all themselves what ever they want, but it not gonna make a person born male be female or vice versa, people online making jokes or laughing cause someone killed for no reason isnt the same, id put money on if them staff had made the comments if the person was black or lbgt+ etc they wouldnt still be in them jobs

 

[Boss Mog]

Nvm I misunderstood.

 

[Mr Moose]

22 is not high when compared to the 46,728 gun deaths the US has.

By population too
22/69M = 0.32 per million
46,728/340M = 137 per million


That's 428x as many gun deaths.

It is when guns have been banned for years here.

 

[Toots]

Edit : everyone one already pointed your fallacies, i should have not posted and entertained your trolling, anyway what's done is done

I never said anything about what he deserves or not.

I said it's ironic. Nothing more.

As for him, I have no particular opinion on him. There's stuff he said that I agreed with, there's stuff I disagreed with.

He just became part of the few deaths he talked about.

Once again with the context dude.
You are not talking in a vacuum and of course saying :

He did say Americans should accept a few deaths a year in favor of the 2nd amendment.

will be taken as "his death was acceptable according to his own beliefs"

I know you actually aren't as retarded as your posts seem to indicate, and you are mostly playing the contrarian edge lord but still it is annoying.

 

[naguanatak]

Gunn is involved in what? Give a concrete example because I have some doubts that Warner Brothers would let him run their DC shop if he had those sorts of issues.

Not that I am particularly enamored of his work, but throwing a name like that is BS.

The 'involved' was respective of the stuff he does at Disney.
And what I meant by mentioning him in regards to Disney and pedophilia was that people here saying a tweet celebrating the murder of a person is enough to cancel someone and never play a game by that studio...they should stop watching and playing a lot of media.
Gunn celebrated and endorsed pedophilia, making countless jokes about it and after getting fired for it deleting thousands of tweets.
If celebrating the murder of someone leads to cancelling them shouldn't throwing/attending pedophilia themed parties and joking about stuff like this on Twitter be met with the same reaction?
If you have doubts that someone like that would be celebrated in our society, you should spend some time researching celebs, actor, directors and be surprised by how much shit and dirt you can find. It's of course all a big conspiracy theory because child sacrifice in olden times people can accept but in today's world, nothing like that could happen, right?...right

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

Couple things here.

1. Yes, assassination was a vile thing, not to be celebrated.
2. We are the ONLY developed country with this level of gun violence and murder rates. UK per capita murders are a fraction. Throw in assault and robberies enabled by guns and it grows even more.

It is ridiculous to argue that having extremely loose gun laws, made even looser by Republicans and current administration, have no impact.

This murder, and countless others done daily are a direct consequence.

Would shootings happen if gun ownership was more restrictive and we didn't have ~400 Million firearms in civilian hands? Yes, but at a rate that would be magnitudes lower.

This is a moot point. Never mind the fact that the right to bear arms is guaranteed in the Constitution, and restrictive legislation would likely be nullified by the Supreme Court. If ~400 million are out there, you're never getting control of the guns. And the people who would be disarmed by these laws would not be the criminals who don't care about the law anyway.

 

[cormack12]

Couple things here.

1. Yes, assassination was a vile thing, not to be celebrated.
2. We are the ONLY developed country with this level of gun violence and murder rates. UK per capita murders are a fraction. Throw in assault and robberies enabled by guns and it grows even more.

It is ridiculous to argue that having extremely loose gun laws, made even looser by Republicans and current administration, have no impact.

This murder, and countless others done daily are a direct consequence.

Would shootings happen if gun ownership was more restrictive and we didn't have ~400 Million firearms in civilian hands? Yes, but at a rate that would be magnitudes lower.

22 is not high when compared to the 46,728 gun deaths the US has.

By population too
22/69M = 0.32 per million
46,728/340M = 137 per million


That's 428x as many gun deaths.

The number isnt meant to be judged per population, it's the benchmark figure to establish the delta. The question is to estimate the delta of that 46,728 compared to what the benchmark would be with gun controls (e.g. Mexican gun trade over the borders)


Out of interest how effective do you feel knife legislation in the UK has lowered knife crime? 1988, 1997, 2019 for ref.

 

[MondoPentecost]

You don't know anything about me, there are plenty of causes I support and participate in that are far more relevant to myself and my community than boycotting a product over some terrible tweets from a handful of employees. Like volunteering for a nonprofit, or extending my assistance to my local special education school. Going out and actually making a difference that matters to me instead of patting myself on the back because I didn't buy a game from those crazy liberals.

I didn't say you don't do anything good in your life, but if you cast your mind back you were making the argument based on principles (role of collective punishment, and separating art from artists and not being able to escape evils of the tech industry as a whole). That what I was responding.

If your position is that you do enough good and you don't think this approach is effective and you just want one of these games so your sitting this one out, then fine (I know I do it from time to time). But that not what you have been posting, so don't be surprised when thats not what people understand as your position.

This is not about left or right, this is about a society where murder of political opponents is being encouraged.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Live by the sword...

 

[Dynasty8]

Do you remember when games and politics had nothing to do with each other? Yeah I remember.

Fuck this, and fuck X.

Yes, it was when studios didn't hire mentally ill lunatics who condone murder for a difference of opinion as employees.

 

[Radical_3d]

Let's not forget they went even after Hulst

Hulst? As in Hermen "Concord" Hulst?
…
Maybe I judged Era too harshly…

Live by the sword...

That's a saying for people that are violent. I just knew today about this guy and I certainly don't like him nor any of his opinions but he wasn't a violent man.

 

[ElFenomeno]

So they are basically like him. See the problem?

No, there's no problem.

I would be astonished if he said it was "totally OK" for children to be killed. Are you sure you might not be wildly misrepresenting what he said?

Thats not the worst thing he said. .how about this one? That children should watch public executions? Holy shit. Again, his wish got fulfilled.

Trump ally Charlie Kirk suggests children should watch pu...

"Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised," Kirk recently said.

www.newsweek.com

And he said this in context of 3 children who just died in a school shooting at the time.

"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
- Charlie Kirk, 2023

Again , wish fulfilled.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

Live by the sword...

Which sword?

 

[Three]

It is when guns have been banned for years here.

Yeah they can't stop a lot of the illegal guns smuggled here in the UK but it's still more than x400 lower than the US.
Legal firearms are in the UK too (you need a licence from the police) but I don't know how many of those 22 in a year would be with a legal rifle/pistol.

 

[calico]

He likely wouldn't have been shot in the UK, but (if British) he also would have been arrested for what he was saying.

Which makes it quite galling when Starmer says in his condolence message "We must all be free to debate openly and freely without fear - there can be no justification for political violence."

This is precisely the trade-off Charlie was talking about when he acknowledged there is a cost associated with preserving the Second Amendment.

 

[Loope]

I thought thread whining was a bannable offense.
Do you see the little eyeball icon with a slash through it next to the date on the Discussions page? Tap that and go away.

So is political discussion and yet there are several post here calling lefties etc.

 

[Punished Miku]

The Bald Man is on the case

Asmongold, Roach Lord, Roach Prophet, The Bald Man, Kotaku of the Right, Cucaracha Bullion.

Remember a couple weeks ago when everyone on here was insisting that he would never attempt to cancel people? Feels like a lifetime ago. What was that game, Take Us North? Oh well.

 

[Radical_3d]

He likely wouldn't have been shot in the UK, but (if British) he also would have been arrested for what he was saying.

Which makes it quite galling when Starmer says in his condolence message "We must all be free to debate openly and freely without fear - there can be no justification for political violence."

This is precisely the trade-off Charlie was talking about when he acknowledged there is a cost associated with preserving the Second Amendment.

You brits lost your ways a decade ago. You don't need to go to extremes like USA nor the extreme of current day UK where you can get detained for saying bad words. There is a middle ground where the rest of the developed world and even part of the development world is.

But as a Spaniard an therefore a historically sworn enemy of anything English I'm delighted that you lost your ways. Please continue.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

No, there's no problem.

Thats not the worst thing he said. .how about this one? That children should watch public executions? Holy shit. Again, his wish got fulfilled.

You're implying this was a public execution and not a murder? What are you even saying? The way you people keep grasping at straws and quote mining to justify his murder is shocking.

 

[LordCBH]

My wallet is closed. Fuck those people.