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[StreetsofBeige]

So the SP cofounder was open to tell an obscure site like Game File about Harrison being fired for a bad take on Kirk's killing, but Sony and SP dont want to say the same thing to the general public where gamers and streamers criticized them for saying nothing.

Got it.

I guess this is their way of saying.... "What are you all complaining about? We did make a public statement."

Too bad it's to some no name site and had to be asked a question about it before an answer came out. Gamers expected better. But they sure got a lot of time on their hands to do almost daily YT videos promoting the game since the event.

 

[demigod]

So the SP cofounder was open to tell an obscure site like Game File about Harrison being fired for a bad take on Kirk's killing, but Sony and SP dont want to say the same thing to the general public where gamers and streamers criticized them for saying nothing.

Got it.

I guess this is their way of saying.... "What are you all complaining about? We did make a public statement."

Too bad it's to some no name site and had to be asked a question about it before an answer came out. Gamers expected better. But they sure got a lot of time on their hands to do almost daily YT videos promoting the game since the event.

They took swift action and fired the employee, thats what really matters to me. What's taking ms so long to fire theirs? And why is nobody talking about Tim Swiney? /crickets

 

[StreetsofBeige]

They took swift action and fired the employee, thats what really matters to me. What's taking ms so long to fire theirs? And why is nobody talking about Tim Swiney? /crickets

Who says they didnt fire them? At least they made a public statement saying they are looking into it.

This whole debacle arose because Grummz posted about it and it caught fire with gaming sites, streamers and forums. So wouldnt it make sense being posterboy of the whole issue to lead by example and say something first? How would anyone a week later know about a Game File article?

And besides who says any other sites are right keeping hush?

If Namco Bandai can make a public statement (and I dont think any of their employees even got nailed about it), why cant Sony?

 

[demigod]

Who says they didnt fire them? At least they made a public statement saying they are looking into it.

This whole debacle arose because Grummz posted about it and it caught fire with gaming sites, streamers and forums. So wouldnt it make sense being posterboy of the whole issue to lead by example and say something first? How would anyone a week later know about a Game File article?

And besides who says any other sites are right keeping hush?

If Namco Bandai can make a public statement (and I dont think any of their employees even got nailed about it), why cant Sony?

Statements are meaningless if no actions were taken. Scroll up, they declined to comment about any firings. It's been over a week already and nothing. Let me know tho if they ever decide to take action instead of just PR speak.

 

[Gonzito]

Who says they didnt fire them? At least they made a public statement saying they are looking into it.

This whole debacle arose because Grummz posted about it and it caught fire with gaming sites, streamers and forums. So wouldnt it make sense being posterboy of the whole issue to lead by example and say something first? How would anyone a week later know about a Game File article?

And besides who says any other sites are right keeping hush?

If Namco Bandai can make a public statement (and I dont think any of their employees even got nailed about it), why cant Sony?

The user you are quoting is constantly gaslighting others, abusing people with LOL emojis, and being argumentative just for the sake of it. Don't waste your time engaging with him.

 

[demigod]

The user you are quoting is constantly gaslighting others, abusing people with LOL emojis, and being argumentative just for the sake of it. Don't waste your time engaging with him.

It's always the same with yall, always cry about it when you do the same.

 

[Gonzito]

It's always the same with yall, always cry about it when you do the same.

I'll be more respectful than you and won't post a screenshot of your posting or reactions history. Anyone who spends a few minutes on your profile can clearly see the abusive and unpleasant way you behave in this website.

 

[demigod]

I'll be more respectful than you and won't post a screenshot of your posting or reactions history. Anyone who spends a few minutes on your profile can clearly see the abusive and unpleasant way you behave in this website.

Respect, get off your high horse. My emojis hurt you? Grow thicker skin bud.

 

[Gonzito]

Respect, get off your high horse. My emojis hurt you? Grow thicker skin bud.

That's typical bully and narcissistic behavior, you insult someone, then dodge responsibility by blaming the very person you keep attacking with your toxic behavior.

I won't derail this thread any further out of respect for most users here, but I wanted to point out how and disruptive and pathetic your contributions are to this forum

 

[SomeNorseGuy]

It was NOT unequivocal there were allot of ummms kinda sort of maybe i think

Pretty clearly the sorry not sorry "apology" that a terrorists studio would say

I think "terrorist studio" is too far

Yeah, as much as I love seeing the chickens come home to roost on the vile rethoric, persecutions and narrative that the fourth wave neo-feminists have been pushing the last decade+ ...retroactively labeling anyone who's ever worked with, or employed, someone aligned with Antifa is a bit much IMO.

After the fact, for sure. Willingly supporting anyone after they've been labeled a terrorist is free game. And if there's clear evidence of political motivated, malicious intent, from the last few years I could probably get behind it.

But starting a witch hunt digging up every tiny loose association and throwing "terrorist" labels left and right don't sit right with me.

Righteous scalpel, not vengeful hammer.

"Drew's no longer an employee here. I think we're aligned as a studio that celebrating or making light of someone's murder is a deal-breaker for us, and we condemn that, kind of in no uncertain terms. That's sort of our studio, and that's kind of where we are."

If they would've released this statement the day after the event and removed some of the "kind of", "sort of" and "think" this whole thing would've gone a lot better. But nooo had to drag their feet and release it just before the weekend. Cowardly fuckers.

 

[Signalis]

we live in a society where you either are a Nazi or a Terrorist.

 

[Signalis]

Yeah, as much as I love seeing the chickens come home to roost on the vile rethoric, persecutions and narrative that the fourth wave neo-feminists have been pushing the last decade+ ...retroactively labeling anyone who's ever worked with, or employed, someone aligned with Antifa is a bit much IMO.

After the fact, for sure. Willingly supporting anyone after they've been labeled a terrorist is free game. And if there's clear evidence of political motivated, malicious intent, from the last few years I could probably get behind it.

But starting a witch hunt digging up every tiny loose association and throwing "terrorist" labels left and right don't sit right with me.

Righteous scalpel, not vengeful hammer.



If they would've released this statement the day after the event and removed some of the "kind of", "sort of" and "think" this whole thing would've gone a lot better. But nooo had to drag their feet and release it just before the weekend. Cowardly fuckers.

Well said!

 

[xrnzaaas]

I think I kind of sort of don't believe any word written in that SP statement. They've just done the absolutely minimum to avoid being accused of sharing the same view (which many of them probably do).

 

[calico]

"...we condemn that, kind of in no uncertain terms. That's sort of our studio, and that's kind of where we are."

 

[clintar]

"No uncertain terms," he says.

What a disappointment.

I also like how they say "celebrating or making light of someone's murder is a deal-breaker for us", like every other horrible thing people say, like calling everyone Nazis or fascists, or any vile dehumanizing thing people drum up until that level is fine.

 

[ZehDon]

So the SP cofounder was open to tell an obscure site like Game File about Harrison being fired for a bad take on Kirk's killing, but Sony and SP dont want to say the same thing to the general public where gamers and streamers criticized them for saying nothing.

Got it.

I guess this is their way of saying.... "What are you all complaining about? We did make a public statement."

Too bad it's to some no name site and had to be asked a question about it before an answer came out. Gamers expected better. But they sure got a lot of time on their hands to do almost daily YT videos promoting the game since the event.

If Sony makes a public statement, they piss of their internal devs who are all American left-wing, potentially costing them the talent they need to make their bilions.
If Sony doesn't make a statement, they piss of a subsection of the general public who might boycott some of their titles and risk angering the American Government, who are well on their way to officially adopting Russian State retaliation tactics.
If Sony stay silent, they'll cop flak from both sides, but smaller amount.
Sony is playing the game.

 

[Banjo64]

"kind of in no uncertain terms. That's sort of our studio, and that's kind of where we are."

What an odd statement.

Would have come across as authentic if he'd just said 'we condemn that in no uncertain terms'.

Lends credence to the speculation that this is a cultural issue at SP and he's afraid of upsetting his studio, or he himself isn't comfortable denouncing these views because he personally agrees with them.

 

[Trilobit]

"Drew's no longer an employee here. I think we're aligned as a studio that celebrating or making light of someone's murder is a deal-breaker for us, and we condemn that, kind of in no uncertain terms. That's sort of our studio, and that's kind of where we are."

Reading on X that they had talked about it I was relieved that they finally condemned it. And then I read the interview and was like:

I now understand why they couldn't release a statement publicly condemning it as a studio. Because they can't. They can't go out and publicly condemn it. We can't know for sure the exact reason, but I'm just going to believe that the studio doesn't want to because of its employees and leaders.

There's zero reason to massage it in with kind-ofs and sort-ofs unless there's something behind it. You don't have to say "I kind of hate torturing cute little puppies. That's sort of who I am." Anyone with a brain would look at you like you're not telling the truth.

Fuck...Sucker Punch has truly gone off the deep end. I wonder how big part of them actually didn't either celebrate or support the celebration. I'd wager it's the minority if even any of them.

 

[vpance]

"Kind of in no uncertain terms"

 

[PropellerEar]

It's always the same with yall, always cry about it when you do the same.

This Gonzito guy is a weak cry baby.
Emoji -> Cry
Doesn't have a reply to an argument -> Cry

Pure leftist mentality.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

I think this is the news that would sadden more people than the GoY.

What did you expect. They are from sweden.

 

[calico]

These are the people making our entertainment. People who can no longer even reach a consensus that openly celebrating and advocating for murder is very obviously grounds for dismissal.

She should have been gone as soon as it was brought to their attention. Anyone 'liking' it should have been gone right after. They should have promptly released an unequivocal statement condemning it and stating there was no place for it in their company. Anyone griping about it should have been told don't let the door hit you on the way out.

That they struggled with any of this to the point of arriving at that 'umm, err, we sort of condemn it, kind of, but not really, but we sort of do' statement is ridiculous.

 

[Gonzito]

This Gonzito guy is a weak cry baby.
Emoji -> Cry
Doesn't have a reply to an argument -> Cry

Pure leftist mentality.

Ragebait 1/10

Try better next time

 

[Zathalus]

Seems it is never really enough.

 

[Critical Hit]

What did you expect. They are from sweden

It's not even that, the guy in the video is not an old-time DICE employee, he's from Bioware and worked on Veilguard previously.

 

[Critical Hit]

People who can no longer even reach a consensus that openly celebrating and advocating for murder is very obviously grounds for dismissal.

They labeled him a nazi. Look, I can get it, fuck Hitler and all, but if some of the current dictators would be dead - I would be happy too. But there is a very big BUT, even two. 1) I wouldn't express my joy on a corporate account (and I disagree that people should be fired if they express themselves on personal accounts). 2) No one. I mean literally no one of every one of them did they research on Kirk to name him a nazi. They just read the "hateful quotes" from the google search and stopped right there (I asked them on Reddit and YT in the last few days). So "much" intelligence, from people who boast about it (cough, the democrates who vote against the resoultion and cited him after).

 

[down 2 orth]

Seems it is never really enough.

What are you talking about?

It's kind of, sort of enough.

 

[Lightbreak]

If the polarization continues and keeps going like this where everyone acuses everyone, It wont end good for anyone

 

[SkylineRKR]

Separate from the celebrating, which is very dumb and backwards, someone tweeted something 5 years ago. It had little weight then, it seems. Now Trump declares them terrorists (this organization needs to be shut down, yes. But terrorists..? i'm just conflicted about), and groups are out for blood. This actually is similar to what wokies do, searching the archives and cancel people on what they've said in the past (look at James Gunn).

I'd prefer not to go down this road, as I hate the extreme left wing ideology and practices. You'll get an endless war of 2 different groups doing the exact same shit.

 

[PropellerEar]

Ragebait 1/10

Try better next time retard

Calmate, chillona.

 

[The_Mike]

The heads of these major gaming publishers should be dragged before Congress or the House Oversight Committee and forced to explain why their staff behave like such consistently malignant cunts.

Well afaik it is the first amendment in USA.
You are free to say anything and the government wont ban you for it, unless it's something illegal.

Would be nice if they were forced to show which political parties they are supporting.

But a rule of thumb - the majority of these developers shares this opinion

 

[Radical_3d]

New thread title:

Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired, and SP kind of issue statement

 

[Bernardougf]

Seems it is never really enough.

Well I kind of think, maybe it is sort of enough

 

[Trilobit]

If the polarization continues and keeps going like this where everyone acuses everyone, It wont end good for anyone

It might even end in people on one side getting assassinated and the other side celebrating it.

 

[Bernardougf]

New thread title:

"Kind of issue sort of statement" is better

 

[Signalis]

What did you expect. They are from sweden.

Exactly, I dislike Swedes a lot and this is a good example why.

 

[nbkicker]

Don't believe out sucker punch would come out with now, they had plenty of time at the start to kick this in the butt. Instead stayed quiet hoping it would blow over , why not put a statment out instead of speaking through websites that they prob pay to push there game, they only put a statment out cause Sony prob told them to considering amount of people dropping pre orders and downlikes on all videos released so far. For me no mater what will not buy the game. There more people on there studios then drew that liked posts, never mine the voice actress they hired

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

I think we're aligned as a studio that celebrating or making light of someone's murder is a deal-breaker for us, and we condemn that, kind of in no uncertain terms. That's sort of our studio, and that's kind of where we are

Now imagine if the exact same words were used by someone to apologize for one of their employees dropping the N word or misgendering somebody on social media, just a couple of years ago.
Somehow, I don't think that would have been received very well, or considered to be enough.

And some people still insist there isn't a double standard.

 

[Critical Hit]

Separate from the celebrating, which is very dumb and backwards, someone tweeted something 5 years ago. It had little weight then, it seems. Now Trump declares them terrorists (this organization needs to be shut down, yes. But terrorists..? i'm just conflicted about), and groups are out for blood. This actually is similar to what wokies do, searching the archives and cancel people on what they've said in the past (look at James Gunn).

Hasn't antifa always been radicalized and pro-violence? I don't have a problem with that - you actually don't need any sort of group to be against fascism and/or nazism, common sense is enough. But the situation with the "I'm antifa" tweet from 5 years ago is as dumb as with those idiots who called Kirk a nazi. And I'm not sure - are they simply dumb and don't understand that they discredit the right, or they're just too stupid to check the date of the post. (but it looks like the former)

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Hasn't antifa always been radicalized and pro-violence? I don't have a problem with that - you actually don't need any sort of group to be against fascism and/or nazism, common sense is enough. But the situation with the "I'm antifa" tweet from 5 years ago is as dumb as with those idiots who called Kirk a nazi. And I'm not sure - are they simply dumb and don't understand that they discredit the right, or they're just too stupid to check the date of the post. (but it looks like the former)

You understand in the US they will bring something somebody said 25 years ago to discredit them? 5 years looks like a rookie number.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Antifa has always been a terrorist group. We don't need a politician to state the obvious. Anyone joining or showing sympathy towards them is a terrorist apologist, no excuses.

The choice of that deranged VA was deliberate, at least there's no more denial about that. As for the game, I think Yotei will be ok, but not great. Easy non-buy for me.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Why? they didn't make the statement an individual did and they dealt with it accordingly.

This.

 

[Saber]

See, it wasn't too hard.

edit: apparently its pretty hard since it took you damn long and hide it in a game article.

 

[kikii]

i dont think there is

elementary school

in US i might be wrong ^^

 

[kpopSuperstar]

If the polarization continues and keeps going like this where everyone acuses everyone, It wont end good for anyone

The men and women of the 40s went through war and hell and forged our future through grit and determination, now they are gone, today, people raised on the internet and luxury without the common sense to work together, are falling back into the far-left and the far-right columns, without good strong people to lead us.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

i dont think there is

in US i might be wrong ^^

You are correct, Americans start school at 15.

 

[Topher]

i dont think there is

in US i might be wrong ^^

There is. Elementary, Middle (or Junior) and High

 

[Critical Hit]

You understand in the US they will bring something somebody said 25 years ago to discredit them? 5 years looks like a rookie number.

It is dumb no matter who do such a thing. And do you understand that the new law is not to be applied retroactively?

 

[Radical_3d]

Exactly, I dislike Swedes a lot and this is a good example why.

I found the Dane, the Norwegian or actually anybody up there.

 

[Putonahappyface]