schlongdog
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GRRM Should have seen this coming. This is horribly sad and unfortunate for the fans but man, he must feel terrible. One wonders if he'll even have the motivation to finish the series , baring his current pace in mind.
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Game of Thrones Creators Confirm the Show Will Spoil the Books
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I don't know how annoyed I should be at this. Even if the ending turns out the same, there's so much stuff the show has already cut and still might (
), I'm not sure it even matters.
Damn you GRRM
the Greyjoys, Arianne, Lady Stoneheart, Faegon and JonCon, the business at the Citadel, etc
Damn you GRRM
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Well, aren't you nice. Now I wonder why I bothered being so respectful of non-readers. Maybe I'll PM you smug asshats with spoilers from the material that hasn't been covered yet while I still have I time.
(I wouldn't, of course, but seriously this is irritating as hell.)
I'll try. Don't know how long I'll last, but I'll definitely try. Other than the S kills D Harry Potter spoiler, I don't think I've been spoiled by any major piece of pop culture that I haven't consumed. I'm not on social media, I think I have a chance.
I know right. :\
...And it would blow. No thanks.
Sanderson doesn't like ASOIAF and his writing is nowhere near Martin's level. We're all better off with that not happening.
i haven't read the thread and haven't watched the trailer(s?) for the new season because of spoilers so please no spoilers but is this true? what is this based on? they split the third book into two seasons and now they are going to adapt two books into one season? did they actually say that anywhere? is that just an inference from some scenes from the trailers? someone pls respond with no spoilers (not even from the trailers for s5 pls) thank you
You Are Viewtiful
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Doesn't every show watcher know about that? My brother is a mouth breathing show watcher and he knew about it.
schlongdog
Banned
They're cutting a TON from books 4&5.
Really? Source?
Exterminieren
Banned
We've seen pictures of them filming the climactic events of book 5.
Certain elements of books 4 and 5 were started last season, and large plots are being cut, trimmed or radically altered.
British Monsoon
Member
That's nice of them to announce it before the next season, I'm checking out. I imagine it's going to be damn near impossible to avoid spoilers, but I'll try.
Discotheque
Banned
Yeah they're different styles no doubt but I'm just getting impatient as hell, and am amazed at how prolific Sanderson has been
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
If you're not in it for the long haul, just watch the show. You'll save yourself months (years?) of heartache. C'mon, it's not that bad. I thought I was a huge stickler for this kinda stuff, but even I'm okay with the situation.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Just avoid social media and Show/Book centric threads/articles. It actually shouldn't be too hard, though spoilery gifs popping up in unrelated threads and irl conversations could spoil (heh) things.
Admiral Woofington
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to be fair many of the characters go on misadventures. And also there's a lot of focus on a sea-based family nobody cares about
liliththepale
Banned
The show's audience is much larger than the books', so it makes sense that they wouldn't delay production/distribution of the show to wait for the books to come out. That part of it makes me happy. I can understand why it sucks for the book readers though.
schlongdog
Banned
I am a book reader, but I also watch the show. I was pretty heavily into the series in 2010-2011, but it is hard to maintain the same zeal for the novels after a 4 year (and increasing) wait. I feel bad for those of you who started this series 15-20 years ago.
While I would prefer to read Martin's version first, I will obviously continue with the show as it moves ahead of the books in 2016. The only real change will be the fact that I can't wait too long on an episode in fear of getting spoiled.
While I would prefer to read Martin's version first, I will obviously continue with the show as it moves ahead of the books in 2016. The only real change will be the fact that I can't wait too long on an episode in fear of getting spoiled.
The Illiterati
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I love that Benioff and Weiss claimed to be fans of the books but about two seasons in seemingly got sick of making the show and thus are doing their best to rush through it all and get it over with. Hacks.
Lord of Castamere
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Victarion Greyjoy will feed your carcass to the Drowned God.
I'd rather see Victarion than (Season 5 spoilers, yes 5 not 4)
Jamie and Bron's adventure to Dorne
Discotheque
Banned
The greyjoys were honestly the most interesting thing about the last couple books
Would have been baller if they cast somebody similar to flint in black sails as Euron
liliththepale
Banned
I think there's a marked difference between rushing through something and cutting out all the chaff.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Rushing through it by splitting one book into 2 seasons? What are you even talking about?
Sho_Nuff82
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The tower of joy
tourney at Harrenhal
The lack of flashbacks really hurt some of the characters' arcs.
PhoenixDark
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Meh...they didn't have the money to fully adapt AFFC/ADWD. You'd be talking about multiple entirely new environments, an onslaught of new characters (again), and limited content for the more popular characters. And let's be honest: I love AFFC/ADWD but they don't contain a lot of material that translates well to television. Weiss and Benioff have made it clear they don't trust viewers, hence the sex and violence that is heaped into each episode. Why is it surprising that they want to skip much of AFFC/ADWD's world building and scheming?
I think Martin is a fool for thinking those books would be full adapted. He's worked in television, he's seen how the show is written...the fact that he thought 10 seasons was possible is laughable to me. ASOS received two seasons because it's packed with content that's perfect for television. AFFC/ADWD aren't. It's that simple.
Roland_Gunner
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The greyjoys were honestly the most interesting thing about the last couple books
Would have been baller if they cast somebody similar to flint in black sails as Euron
Thats the problem! Having a group of tertiary characters be the best part of two books that take over a decade two write is not a good thing. It may appeal to the relatively small number of book readers but would almost certainly turn off the TV viewers who want to see whats going on with the Starks and Dany.
Victarion alone would break the show's budget.
Oh please. Their first priority is to make compelling television that will assure the success of GOT. Books 4 and 5 are filled to the gills with content that would have dragged a show that is already plagued with criticisms of being slow-going, to a goddamn halt, and we all know it.
Roland_Gunner
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Or maybe they're professionals who realize that all of the 'world building' in books 4 and 5 would make for bad tv and want to keep their audience?
The Illiterati
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If Game of Thrones wasn't a hugely successful show I could see them cutting entire swaths of the books out and completely changing many of the characters motivations....but it is, and there's no need. Even if you consider everything they will excise "chaff" they could have easily punched it up for drama.
StanleyStutters
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Can't blame them for not wanting to go on hiatus. Looking at the release for each book.
A Game of Thrones (1996)
A Clash of Kings (1998)
A Storm of Swords (2000)
A Feast for Crows (2005)
A Dance with Dragons (2011)
The Winds of Winter ???
Over the last 15+ years only three books have been released. Even if they film it and wait for the books it could be years before they release and by then the buzz will have faded. Going by GRRM's recent pace it might not be until 2021 that he finishes the series. They want to end it after 7 seasons, so season 6 would end in 2016. That's a massive hiatus for a show to take and I can't fault them for not wanting to wait.
A Game of Thrones (1996)
A Clash of Kings (1998)
A Storm of Swords (2000)
A Feast for Crows (2005)
A Dance with Dragons (2011)
The Winds of Winter ???
Over the last 15+ years only three books have been released. Even if they film it and wait for the books it could be years before they release and by then the buzz will have faded. Going by GRRM's recent pace it might not be until 2021 that he finishes the series. They want to end it after 7 seasons, so season 6 would end in 2016. That's a massive hiatus for a show to take and I can't fault them for not wanting to wait.
Don't they have to get through the series within a reasonable amount of seasons before the practicalities of the TV world catches up to them? Like budget, contacts, ages etc?
I imagine every year that progresses problems get harder to solve. And it's not like a normal TV show where you can just write around stuff - if Emilia Clarke starts making big demands on her next contract, HBO has a big problem.
How can a story spoil itself?
You'd think GRRM would have wanted to get out ahead of the show, since I doubt too many people will be interested in slogging through all that prose to get to the same ending again. But I suspect he doesn't actually care all that much at this point.
You'd think GRRM would have wanted to get out ahead of the show, since I doubt too many people will be interested in slogging through all that prose to get to the same ending again. But I suspect he doesn't actually care all that much at this point.
StanleyStutters
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If they wanted to rush the series they wouldn't have spent 20 episodes on A Storm of Swords.
Pyramid head
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It's pretty much killed any speculation about pretty much all the interesting goings on between my friends and I.
"Wow
Coldhands
Nobody important.
"Will we see him again?"
Probably not.
"That was
Jaqen
No reason. Doesn't matter.
"
Stoneheart
Nothing majorly important.
"
Greyjoys
Meh.
"Varys! fAegon! Prophecies!"
Wouldn't you rather see Greyworm get his first kiss
before he heroically dies
liliththepale
Banned
Plot on TV has to happen faster than it has to in books. That's just a reality of the media. You're welcome to criticize that as a general phenomenon, but it's not the GoT showrunners' fault. They're doing an amazing job with the material and platform.
The Illiterati
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Yet they're barely spending ten on two massive books. I'm certainly prepared for the next two seasons to be even MORE barebones, as they demonstrate skill only in cutting away plotlines, not in adding anything.
Personnaly, I see that like a way for GRRM to take his time for the last book, since anyway, we will have the end. But I'm not pleased with that. I've always been more of a book guy, and I don't like the idea to have an abridged (cause, after 2 season for book 3, if they do only 2 seasons for books 4 and 5, it has to be an abridged version) with the same end. That will totally spoil the fun.
And I can't even think of ignoring the series when it catch up the book, cause except by moving in cave, I don't see how I can avoid the phenomena this serie is.
And I can't even think of ignoring the series when it catch up the book, cause except by moving in cave, I don't see how I can avoid the phenomena this serie is.
Yankee Ruin X
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I'm ok with this to be fair as much as I loved the books. It wouldn't surprise me if GRRM is waiting for the show to overtake so he can copy it for his books as at this point I don't think even he knows how to move it forward.
StanleyStutters
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To be fair those two books are split by characters. You can't expect a TV series to dump half their cast, especially three of the fan favorites, for an entire year.
please don't kill me, but I SERIOUSLY think that GRR Martin won't publish the last two books because of laziness/unprofitability and that the show is fixing a lot of things that are "messy" on the books.
all the secrecy surrounding Winds of Winters is too weird. A logical explanation I find is that he won't publish the last too books, but he's too afraid to reveal that.
all the secrecy surrounding Winds of Winters is too weird. A logical explanation I find is that he won't publish the last too books, but he's too afraid to reveal that.
jamesinclair
Banned
Why can't they do what anime does and film 100 episodes of filler?
The Japanese are experts at waiting for the written version to be ready
The Japanese are experts at waiting for the written version to be ready
Lactose_Intolerant
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All I ever wanted to watch was him:
lava punching a dragon
lava punching a dragon
Not so much secrecy. We just don't have date (not 2015, according to the editor), but complete chapters were read or published on Martin's site (ok, each time one was published, the previous was deleted, but you still can find them on the net). For me, that's quite something, a book is not a film, you have to wait for it to be released to know its story.
RatskyWatsky
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All I ever wanted to watch was him:
lava punching a dragon
We're never going to get him because then television would be broken and no more shows could be made due to his impacT.
Lactose_Intolerant
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