Same was true of Robb.
The idea of "characters go through arcs and then die" is antithetical to what made GoT so novel as a pop-culture fantasy property. It is the difference between, say, Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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Same was true of Robb.
The idea of "characters go through arcs and then die" is antithetical to what made GoT so novel as a pop-culture fantasy property. It is the difference between, say, Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers.
I think it stems from the show consistently taking out characters people liked, before they were able to accomplish what they wanted to do. This was something that was happening here and there for awhile in the first few seasons. I like Jaime, I also love Bronn. But one of them should have died during the course of that battle. Where's the justice for my Prince Oberyn?
It is Aegon and his two sisters who represent the 3 dragons. Symbolically it may represent Dany and 2 others, but we don't know that for sure yet. Aegon made the sigil to fit in with the customs of Westeros when he conquered it.
The sand snakes and Ellaria aren't enough?
The Sand snakes and Ellaria had no plot to begin with though.
The Real Abed
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He should have just walked away once the Mountain was bleeding out on the floor.
He wanted his confession. He got it too.
I thought this death would be real impactful 'cus it would give us Dorne but they didn't really do much with that, all it did was take out one of the coolest characters in the show.
The problem with Dorne was that Oberyn was just too damn good. When buddy hypes up that he has 8 daughters, that one in particular is a wild one, and that Dorne isn't in the business of hurting little kids, and yet what we see of Dorne is the opposite of all that; well there's a reason that season 5 is one of my least favourite seasons. I was so looking forward to see what 8 mini Obyrens would do to avenge their father. Instead I got shitty fighting, nonsensical kin slaying, and the dumbest nation ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K467eTpmBU
Cersei: What do you know about warfare?
Tyrion: Nothing.
Cersei: What do you know about warfare?
Tyrion: Nothing.
Each of those deaths said something about the characters and had a ton of set up. Oberyn died for his hubris and singleminded obsession with revenge, Robb died for his hypocrisy when it came to oaths. Jaime dying now would just be about him making a stupid call in an important battle. It'd be a random fall for such a big character. Every other major death left an impact because of the context, if they were going to kill Jaime there needed to be more build up.
I will give you that Bronn could have had a worthy death though. At the start we establish that he's just a sellsword obsessed with gold, and then at one point in the battle he drops his gold, and he could have gone for it and left, but instead he goes out into the field to help. If he died then, his death would have meant something.
chicko1983
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Just going back over the thread where we discussed the things I'd like to see in season 7 made me realise that I am probably only going to see one of them, and its the sandsnakes dying haha!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1380078&page=3
The dramatic delivery of those deaths is beside the point, which is that Robb, as a character, had "arcs to go through" and still died, and we are at a point in Game of Thrones where it feels like no one is going to die until all their arcs are cleanly and satisfactorily resolved.
Robb dying opened the doors to significant storytelling tension because fantasy, as a rule, often struggles with plot armor. This is what sets GoT apart from a lot of its ilk. The complaints now of Jaime and Bronn is not that they're not dying randomly, but that there is no more tension now than there was in watching Frodo climb Mount Doom.
Robb dying opened the doors to significant storytelling tension because fantasy, as a rule, often struggles with plot armor. This is what sets GoT apart from a lot of its ilk. The complaints now of Jaime and Bronn is not that they're not dying randomly, but that there is no more tension now than there was in watching Frodo climb Mount Doom.
- Sansa to outsmart Littlefinger, end up with Sansa controlling the Vale and Littlefinger dead
I think we will get something like this now that Sansa, Bran and Arya are back at Winterfell and none of them seem to trust him.
Robb experienced a rise to prominence and triumphed over the Lannister forces in battle. His greatest struggle was his devotion to the ideals of his father and the love of a foreign woman, both of which cost him his life. He was also outmaneuvered politically by Tywin Lannister.
Most of the characters in seasons 1-4 experience a similar arc.
They hold true to an ideal, that ideal fails in the face of some harsher truth, and they either die or regroup.
Season 5 had this to a smaller degree, but because of the Winterfell marriage storyline, the thematic consistency of the series kind of broke. Dany is under siege in Meereen because she fails to understand that conquering and ruling are not the same thing. Jon dies because his devotion to doing the right thing is at odds with the Night's Watch's inherent hatred of the freefolk.
Season 6 is just one character after another getting revenge-killed by someone they slighted in the past, and season 7 has continued that trend to a slightly lesser degree. These deaths have nothing to do with ideals.
Most of the characters in seasons 1-4 experience a similar arc.
They hold true to an ideal, that ideal fails in the face of some harsher truth, and they either die or regroup.
Season 5 had this to a smaller degree, but because of the Winterfell marriage storyline, the thematic consistency of the series kind of broke. Dany is under siege in Meereen because she fails to understand that conquering and ruling are not the same thing. Jon dies because his devotion to doing the right thing is at odds with the Night's Watch's inherent hatred of the freefolk.
Season 6 is just one character after another getting revenge-killed by someone they slighted in the past, and season 7 has continued that trend to a slightly lesser degree. These deaths have nothing to do with ideals.
Season 5 is everyone's least favourite season.
Vyse The Legend
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I was legit traumatized by that scene, and can still hear Ellaria's scream. It gave me nightmares, and that was the first time television violence had that effect on me. Red Wedding was demoralizing. Oberyn's death was emotionally, physically and psychologically exhausting.
I'm not sure if I would say that's a bad thing.
Perhaps not, but it seemed like such a season of failure.
-Dany failed
-Cersei failed
-Jon failed
-Stannis failed
-Jaime failed
Sansa escaped so I guess that's something but she also was horribly raped the whole season.
What a downer.
SargerusBR
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Sadness is the best in GoT. A lot of shows don't like to kick you in your balls so much but GoT loves doing it.
Bronn got to see a nice pair of tits.
Vincent Alexander
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We all did, my friend. We all did.
Lol even Bran didn't show up.
Dubbedinenglish
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Didn't 5 give us the Olenna "smells like shit gif?"
Season redeemed if it did
Season redeemed if it did
RedAssedApe
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why do people care about gendry again? is he gonna come forge some weapons or something?
a Master Ninja
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Since Bronn somehow survived his heroics this episode and we only have a few episodes left in the entire series, what could possibly be the conclusion of his story? Are we going to see him fight White Walkers and shit? Is he going to get that castle he always wanted?
He was a cool guy and didn't afraid of anything. Arya wanted him to smelt her ore if you know what I mean.
It rubs the weirwood on its skin or else it gets the hose again.
I just wish that there is inner turmoil going on within Bran.
Him wanting to be Bran Stark vs becoming the three eyed raven
He's never really had an arc, so I doubt he gets some big payoff. Same with LF.
I don't think people understand that Bran's character arc is a traditional super villain origin story.
Man, if he goes full evil.
Would be interesting if Dany wants to execute him and both Lannister brothers try to save him. Not really an interesting character moment for Bronn specifically though.
chicko1983
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That is what I am thinking. He will end up in a scene with Melissa again at some stage and she'll let him live because she now knows June is the lord of lights chosen one.
That's probably the only other one on the list which may happen before seasons end.
I can see Bronn just fucking off somewhere after this and that being the end for him. Maybe a scene between him and Tyrion before he leaves. He's shown surprising loyalty for a sellsword but I can't imagine he'll want to fight dragons for the mad queen. The last episode did have Jamie basically telling him to stop pushing his luck.
RedAssedApe
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i think if he was going to say fuck it at the dragons he would have bailed on the lannisters with his gold intact right then and there
Or for not even contesting Bronn spending all goddamned day on the scorpion.
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