I think that's a wrong choice of words. The show is on its own now.
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I think that's a wrong choice of words. The show is on its own now.
I can forgie the travelling jumps, it makes sense really, but I dont understand divine knowledge.
How did saw knew exactly which books to get before leaving oldtown?
And why burn that bridge? He could sneak one, read, put back, sneak another, etc. He stole some things, and left forever. Of course he is going to find something in them, but it is a very stupid thing to do, specially because it already proved fruitfull with the dragonstone information.
Also curious if Arya and Sansa will see through LF, and if Sansa will really try to undermine jon to become the official queen of the north. Because you know what, none of that shit will matter once all these lords see the first swarm of the dead. Really, I think they are postponing this as much as they can because once that happens, all other plot points lose urgency and become useless.
How did saw knew exactly which books to get before leaving oldtown?
And why burn that bridge? He could sneak one, read, put back, sneak another, etc. He stole some things, and left forever. Of course he is going to find something in them, but it is a very stupid thing to do, specially because it already proved fruitfull with the dragonstone information.
Also curious if Arya and Sansa will see through LF, and if Sansa will really try to undermine jon to become the official queen of the north. Because you know what, none of that shit will matter once all these lords see the first swarm of the dead. Really, I think they are postponing this as much as they can because once that happens, all other plot points lose urgency and become useless.
Pagusas
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Hate the character. Most disliked character on the show. Not a fan of the actress either.
TimeEffect
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Its clear Qyburn wants the walker for research. Im confused by that whole scene. Seems like cersei knew tyrion was coming and that she accepts danys offer is even stranger since its sudden. Is she even meeting dany? That would be dumb.
And wouldnt the night king not know he lost one of his own since he seems to control them all?
Robdraggoo
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Arya can tell when people are lying, if she confronts sansa about it, she will learn the truth. And then know Little finger is plotting against them. Sansa is Not dumb anymore. They will outplay him. Bet on it.
LegendofDragoonLives
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She doesn't trust him. She literally says no one should trust him and even states to her fam that if he gives you a gift, it's only so he benefits somehow
All I see so far is her stringing him along due to the Vale army. That's it. Arya is either being used as a triple trick to ruse the viewers or being dumb as fuck. I can't tell anymore. Yes Starks are dumb though, Sansa so far seems to be the outlier. We'll see if that changes.
If we're being honest, the GoT book crew (not on gaf but in general) are the worst set of fans overall when it comes to book fans so it's not surprising. Even though this episode definitely left my disappointed in several ways and felt tv levels of writing rather than GRMM's quality.
Even if Sansa doesn't trust him she can still be manipulated by him.
The scrolls were clearly in the "The Long Night" section of the library.
The scrolls were clearly in the "The Long Night" section of the library.
cartographer
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Jon touching the dragon was probably a previous seasons episode budget all on its own.
I'm not sure the night king is concerned with losing one wight.
Also Cleganebowl is this season's finale. Calling it now.
Someone needs to take that gif from The Avengers, put those characters faces on them, and change the Chitari to White Walkers
Yes but that's a choice D&D made on their own, and now they're rushing the show to fit into it rather than it being a case of them only needing 13 episodes to tell the story. HBO wanted more episodes.
You mean the seemingly hundreds of scrolls, which he took only a couple?
SurrenderDorothy
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Drogon's CGI was bloody amazing, the scales moving, his eyes, his everything really.
Hope Bran gives Benjen a signal so he can come in like Batman, lmao.
I must have missed this. Where did he say he's been there for years?
What is he hoping to achieve by leaving?
SurrenderDorothy
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Months to a year is more likely than several years, tbh.
Unless I missed a line.
Unless I missed a line.
Dubbedinenglish
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Baby became a toddler since he was there
I was gonna say, that would mean they compressed the entirety of Winds of Winter (or what much George managed to write and point out) and the show would end with an open ending because A Dream of Spring wouldn't be adapted.
SurrenderDorothy
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He was a toddler before they got there iirc.
None is accursed as the Hypeslayer.
DarkJediKnight
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If that's the case, his abruptness in leaving without finding out the decision of the Maesters was very odd and out of character.
I didn't find his reason to leave compelling enough.
Boogalogist
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I just caught up to this. I fear for Arya's life.....
On another note, Ser Davos even made a joke about Gendry rowing. lol
On another note, Ser Davos even made a joke about Gendry rowing. lol
He said he saw Bran at the Wall several years ago. I don't think he said he's been at the Citadel for several years...but there is baby Sam no longer being a baby. The passage of time in the show is inscrutable anyway.
soundscream
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Book readers probably just pissed they have lost their powers over tv only folks.
This season has been amazing, they have even managed to make Dany interesting
The pacing is awkward for a lot of reasons, but it's also inconsistent. We just saw Dany fly to one place and get back in the span of one episode. Earlier, we saw Euron sail from King's Landing to casterly Rock in one episode - something that probably takes weeks to do. Same with Jon going to the Wall - something he shouldn't be able to do in a day. And yet we haven't heard anything about the battle at Casterly Rock. The Night King is still slowly approaching the wall. Yara and the other prisoners are neglected for screen time. It's too fast and too slow at the same time.
NintendosBooger
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Just so excited for next week's episode.
The Fellowship of the King traveling beyond the Wall to confront the Dead. Gendry and the Hound, men having had no real direction in life, finally reconciling their worth and abilities with a real purpose. All of them coming together and setting differences aside to confront the real enemy. Finally.
The Fellowship of the King traveling beyond the Wall to confront the Dead. Gendry and the Hound, men having had no real direction in life, finally reconciling their worth and abilities with a real purpose. All of them coming together and setting differences aside to confront the real enemy. Finally.
sonycowboy
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So, it seems not only is Jon a Targaryen, but he's a legitimate heir to the throne and not a bastard. Seems like something that could shake Dany up as she no longer has any rightful claim (not that Jon wants the Iron Throne)
poppabk
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Sansa 'Oh Joffrey is so handsome, sure give me to the Boltons Stark is not dumb? She has been Littlefingers puppet for most of the show, and was a ditzy wannabe princess/queen for most of the other part. She seems to have broken LF's hold over her since been given to the Boltons, but we have yet to see her show the smarts to outwit LF.
He didn't explicitly say he was there for years but he said it was years since he met Bran and little Sam was a baby when he got to the citadel
I think he was just fed up with the Maesters refusing to act on anything. First with Jorah, and now the long night
GIANKRATOS
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Dat team!!!!
I think she doesn't need to sneak at all, that's why it felt odd.
This. If he was having such an easy time accessing the information, why leave?
He had years, yet he was advocating to do a citywide search in all douments relating to the long night, meaning he was nowhere near close in checking all of them.
So how did he know which ones he havent gotten to were important, and why leave if there was so much information left to go through?
I think the pacing is hurting the Winterfell story. Two scenes between Sansa and Arya aren't enough to establish any kind of complex relationship, Littlefinger went from impotent and mumbling and now he apparently has all parties under his finger. We have to fill in blanks and place huge importance on things like the glance Sansa gives after watching the training battle. "Why won't x character talk to y character about thing" is a big TV writing contrivance and I feel the show is falling into that trap a bit as a means to force drama. I have less of a problem with time skips for armies travelling across the continents.
The one guy who doesn't want to rule is going to end up ruling everything
Because the people running the show made the decision on 13 episodes (not 16). It wasn't some decision handed down against the creatives or anything set in stone. They chose it presumably because that's all they needed to tell the story the same way they had been. Well... it isn't.
I really don't get why people keep bringing up the episode count as though it were some sort of limitation put in place. It wasn't. HBO would probably like the show to go on fucking forever. Fans would love the show to go on for a while at the same pace they had previously watched. Speeding up the show was a deliberate choice, and it wasn't a deliberate choice because of the 13 episodes. The choice came first, then the episode count.
LegendofDragoonLives
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LF is the smartest person in the entire show, in a series where you have incredibly intelligent people (Tywin, Tyrion, Varys). Making it seem like outsmarting LF be some easy thing is crazy. S1 Sansa was a ditzy girl, but I don't see any relevance to how she is now. Even then on rewatch you get glimpses that she isn't dumb but rather naive (that quickly goes away after s1). When she gets questioned during their journey to choose between her future hubby or sister, she decides to not pick sides. When Cersei tells her to write the paper to Robb, she hesitates because it's a bad idea. She immediately realizes that turning her down a second time is a terrible idea (sounds like something a Stark would do), instead she agrees. She's a 13 year old at this point in time.
Also, she didn't want to go to the Boltons.
SurrenderDorothy
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Aerys must have named Viserys heir before he died(as he had no idea about a boy being born in Dorne), since Rhaegar was killed before Aerys. And Dany would come after Viserys. Making Jon an heir to Daenerys.
Anyway, claims don't matter much now as it's all a bid for power. Jon can only be king if he claims it. Since it's by Right of Conquest rather than Birthright.
Anyway, claims don't matter much now as it's all a bid for power. Jon can only be king if he claims it. Since it's by Right of Conquest rather than Birthright.
Nonsense, Sander just got his team together. It's a 7 vs 7 Westerosi soccer match against the Undead.
To Dany it is 100% about birthright and her belief in the line of succession. Cersei and the rest of the world wouldn't give a shit about Jons parentage but Dany can't avoid it so easily
SurrenderDorothy
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Right, but it's still by conquest, whether she believes it or not.
Cersei has a claim and so does Daenerys. Both are as legit as the other, they can claim birthrights and successions as much as they like but Robert took the throne by right of Conquest.
She was pretty smart during her time at the Vale.
Other than turning Brienne away
She also did an acceptable job of surviving Kings Landing
I only see Jon playing the birthright card if he senses that Dany isn't going to make a good ruler
She honestly only survived Kings Landing because Joffrey and Cersei allowed it.
She honestly only survived Kings Landing because Joffrey and Cersei allowed it.
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