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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT2| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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I know what a directors role is
My main problem with the episode wasnt the script, it was the shoddy directing
Within the world it makes sense. As a piece of fiction it comes off as an eye roll moment because both of how predictable it is and how convenient the setup was. Dudes have special white walker ice spears all of a sudden? Massive chains to pull it out of the lake? Maybe it's just the way it was handled that bothers me. It doesn't feel like something that HAD to happen for any other reason but spectacle, not substance.
It really went down the drain when they deviated from the book
Low key incredible that you didn't catch a ban for this.
RustyNails
Member
Jon and Co being marooned on that rock was a little silly if all what the zombies feared was the ice breaking. Why couldn't the Night King just spear them, knowing how ridiculously good his aim is?
Since NK was standing so close after spearing viserion, drogon could have simply toasted his ass instead of flying away.
No reaction from Hound, Jorah and Beric after riding a fucking Dragon through Westeros?
Jon Snow fake outs need to end. Dude has a plot armor thicker than anything.
Since NK was standing so close after spearing viserion, drogon could have simply toasted his ass instead of flying away.
No reaction from Hound, Jorah and Beric after riding a fucking Dragon through Westeros?
Jon Snow fake outs need to end. Dude has a plot armor thicker than anything.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Lol, what book? There are none left to deviate from.
ComputerBlue
Member
Duuuuude.
I don't watch previews. Should be pretty damn obvious by my speculation no? So thanks for that.
Can you please at least say preview talk in front of the damn spoiler next time?
soundscream
Member
I would blame the editing more than anything else. They could have moved some scenes around to show the passage of time better.
MisterShine
Member
I thought he was going to get captured, and we were finally going to get to hear the Walkers talk.
There are literally 7 episodes left...7! Do you really want to watch everyone walk around to and from Kings Landing again? We're wrapping it up folks.
Fire doesn't hurt the NK. They showed him walking through it in this episode.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Lmfao, some Dark Knight Rises vibes.
Exactly. Martin uses what his audience wants against them. This entire season has been fanservice. That's not what made me a fan.
soundscream
Member
Agreed, editing was also a culprit
As was the script, admittedly
But I've never enjoyed Taylor's work - zero deftness
Obliterator
Member
From what we've seen Night King is immune to fire.
My wife (at the time) had to take fertility drugs for our first child because "her system was shit". Afterwards she was on a birth control pill that "would shut her shit system down completely". I now call that "shutdown" Ellen. It's gonna happen. He'll bring life to the desert.
Me too. What a silly way to get Dany to see Jon's bare chest. lol
RichiRamjag
Member
Much agreed. It's like watching a popcorn flick. Enjoyable enough, but no depth. This is especially apparent in the later seasons.
Yep. We've seen it in the past as well. Notably in the episode: "The Door".
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
We Walking Dead now
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
The Dothraki did too though.
Is it still as deadly when it's not direct impact from a dragon's mouth?
The reactions of the fellowship to the fucking Night King was a bit underwhelming. You could bet that if that was Sauron they'd all be Frodo'ing the fuck out and seeing visions of death and shit.
Well, maybe it was an ice ghost?
ComputerBlue
Member
Because you frequent this thread and this forum enough to know that people use spoiler tags all the time for next to nothing.
Like this.
ProtomanNeo
Member
Zombie dragon better spit liquid nitrogen.
Harrison Bergeron
Member
Yeah it was enjoyable on one hand for its "epicness" but jarring on the other how it defies not only common sense, but the conventions of reality already established in the show around travel.
I think this outcome of this episode was achievable without being as dumb as it was. The writers aren't being very clever about any of this.
Of course now but show has gone downhill a while back
We've been Walking Dead for awhile.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
soundscream
Member
Because people are using it incorrectly isn't my fault. MODs say to spoiler preview talk which is what I did.
Really? Nah.
Obliterator
Member
Comparing the writing in Game of Thrones to The Walking Dead even at it's worst is really reaching
MisterShine
Member
Yeah, when it started adapting the bad books? DnD signed up to adapt someone else's work, but GRRM isn't giving them anything to work with so now they need to maintain the same schedule but actually do the heavy lifting of telling a story. Yeah, it's going to take a dip at least. Just the way it is, to be honest.
"Fight every battle, everywhere, always, in your mind." - Little Finger
I stole it from Reddit 
Devilgunman
Member
I rewatched that scene again and yeah.... I agree with this. Remember after Arya scared Sansa to death, she handed her the dagger. Whatever that means.
Conkerkid11
Member
Thought this was the worst episode of the season.
They should have finally utilized Bran and had him see them get attacked so he could contact Dany rather than having Gendry run a damn marathon and get a raven sent all the way from Eastwatch to Dragonstone just like that.
When Dany showed up, Rhaegal and Viserion basically seemed to vanish because of the CGI budget or something, so Dany might as well have shown up with just Drogon, who was also basically useless and sat there on that mound just looking around at everything while Jon got tunnel vision and fucked over the rest of the group.
The under-utilization of dragons during these battles seems ridiculous to me. They learn right then and there that killing the white walkers is the solution to the massive wight army. The entire time they were there with the dragons, the one thought running through everybody but Jon's mind was "we need to get out of here so we can get this wight to Cersie so she can help us kill this army". When in reality, they could have ended everything right then and there by having one of the dragons kill the Night King. Rather than Jon trying to go 1v1 the Night King, he could have shouted at Dany, "hey, that dude up there is controlling all these wights, kill him and we win this whole thing. Hey, he's grabbing a big spear, he might try and throw it at someone." But everybody just stands there and stares in awe as all of this goes down. Dany watches Jon run off when she's on a fucking dragon and could have the dragon fly to him rather than sit there waiting for him to come to the dragon.
And then having fucking Benjen come in out of nowhere just to have Jon hop up on the horse and say, "there's no time". It felt like the writers of the show needed to kill another character they forgot about off before people started questioning his existence. This would have went down a lot better if Rhaegal hadn't vanished into thin air and had saved Jon. That would have been great, and expanded on the connections between Jon and his bloodline like the previous episode did.
The Arya and Sansa stuff is also continuing to be incredibly shitty. I don't care what the intention of the writers is. Robb saw right through that letter. Arya shouldn't have needed to go through this effort. Also, those masks looked dumb as hell.
They should have finally utilized Bran and had him see them get attacked so he could contact Dany rather than having Gendry run a damn marathon and get a raven sent all the way from Eastwatch to Dragonstone just like that.
When Dany showed up, Rhaegal and Viserion basically seemed to vanish because of the CGI budget or something, so Dany might as well have shown up with just Drogon, who was also basically useless and sat there on that mound just looking around at everything while Jon got tunnel vision and fucked over the rest of the group.
The under-utilization of dragons during these battles seems ridiculous to me. They learn right then and there that killing the white walkers is the solution to the massive wight army. The entire time they were there with the dragons, the one thought running through everybody but Jon's mind was "we need to get out of here so we can get this wight to Cersie so she can help us kill this army". When in reality, they could have ended everything right then and there by having one of the dragons kill the Night King. Rather than Jon trying to go 1v1 the Night King, he could have shouted at Dany, "hey, that dude up there is controlling all these wights, kill him and we win this whole thing. Hey, he's grabbing a big spear, he might try and throw it at someone." But everybody just stands there and stares in awe as all of this goes down. Dany watches Jon run off when she's on a fucking dragon and could have the dragon fly to him rather than sit there waiting for him to come to the dragon.
And then having fucking Benjen come in out of nowhere just to have Jon hop up on the horse and say, "there's no time". It felt like the writers of the show needed to kill another character they forgot about off before people started questioning his existence. This would have went down a lot better if Rhaegal hadn't vanished into thin air and had saved Jon. That would have been great, and expanded on the connections between Jon and his bloodline like the previous episode did.
The Arya and Sansa stuff is also continuing to be incredibly shitty. I don't care what the intention of the writers is. Robb saw right through that letter. Arya shouldn't have needed to go through this effort. Also, those masks looked dumb as hell.
ComputerBlue
Member
Whatever.
10/10
TheTylerDurden
Member
One thing I find really interesting.
LF gets the scroll from the Winterfell archives. Ok, got it.
Arya steals the scroll. She doesn't know LF is watching her, but she steals it. Ok.
Arya confronts Sansa with the scroll.
Sansa goes to LF and explains that Arya found this scroll, like she's seeking his counsel.
How is it that Arya *doesn't* reveal to Sansa that it was LF who got the scroll in the first place? She obviously suspects that LF is up to something, otherwise why spy on him?
It's almost as if there is indeed some trap being laid by Arya, and it's going to work better if (for now) Sansa doesn't know that she's on to LF.
LF gets the scroll from the Winterfell archives. Ok, got it.
Arya steals the scroll. She doesn't know LF is watching her, but she steals it. Ok.
Arya confronts Sansa with the scroll.
Sansa goes to LF and explains that Arya found this scroll, like she's seeking his counsel.
How is it that Arya *doesn't* reveal to Sansa that it was LF who got the scroll in the first place? She obviously suspects that LF is up to something, otherwise why spy on him?
It's almost as if there is indeed some trap being laid by Arya, and it's going to work better if (for now) Sansa doesn't know that she's on to LF.
neurosisxeno
Member
I think you see a sword at the top of the frame and he then swings down into what looks like the head of a wight. Implication being he parried thus knocking it down and did a coup de grace on it while it was on the ground. Hard to tell from that angle, just my theory.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Let them air out their frustrations no matter how ridiculous it sounds. Lol.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
Pretty much.
It's not all i want, but it's a nice bonus. I still feel it's well written show even with a couple holywood-esque last minute saves, and i feel the show has earned them. they feel legitimately surprising when they happen.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Can certain people please stop talking about the preview without tagging?
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Anyone already make the "Blue Eyes Wight Dragon" joke?