Nameless
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In the over the top action show some want this to be, Tyrion shows up riding a dragon next episode and frees Cersei so he can kill her his self.
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In the over the top action show some want this to be, Tyrion shows up riding a dragon next episode and frees Cersei so he can kill her his self.
If this doesn't happen I'm quitting the show.
BananasWithGuns
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People would still label it as a bad episode with sloppy writing.
TheLostBigBoss
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That sudden rise to power was because Cersi gave them that incredible power.
They were just hungry fanatics on the streets before she had a brilliant idea to arm them and give them proper power and authoirty.
lastplayed
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Yeah it feels like the sparrows could only exist as a threat in a power vacuum. They'd have no sway over Stannis, or the Boltons, or the Tyrells if they were in charge.
liliththepale
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I don't think most of the scenes have been boring, or at least scenes with Varys by himself would be even more dry.
I'm just trying to figure out how you would even frame that. I guess maybe him telling a ship captain "one ticket to Mereen, please!"? There's nobody for him to banter with, which is what he does best.
ComputerBlue
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Sure they would, they've got to have easels for painting. Same concept.
Apparently the kings guard is kind of weak right now, and the fear that the cult would execute their prisoners should the king try and move on them. But mostly it was Cersei wanting to get the Tyrell's out of the way and making Tommen not go after them as she was using the cult to those ends. Hopefully Tommen realises he can probably go in there and kill everyone.
Considering how devoutly religious they are I doubt they would murder them without a fair trial, just to spite the King.
poppabk
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The thing is Tommen could just have the Kings guard march in there and kill the sparrows and rescue the Queen and his mother. Except his mother just convinced him that this was a terrible idea that would get the prisoners killed.
Not only did Cersei lay the trap that caught her, she also sabotaged the rescue attempt.
ComputerBlue
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Who does he even have left as council? Potentially Littlefinger, although he wouldn't advise him in his best interest. Pycelle and Qyburn. That's it I think?
Without anyone guiding him I don't see him having any kind of success.
Not unless the King provoked them.
There are only about five Kingsguard in Kings Landing. Jaime is in Dorne and Meryn Trant is in Bravos. Here's that photo again.
Why do you think they would be able to march in to the Sept and kill every one of the Faith Militant's fighters and get to Cersei and Margaery without them being harmed or at least held hostage at knife point?
Nakkilokki
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What was Littlefinger's gift to Lady Olenna?
Lancel
The bolded is spot on and I have not yet heard a compelling argument against it.
Kenzodielocke
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But I am sure the high sparrow already knew?
show me your skeleton
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it'd be kind of shit if someone rescues sansa now but i feel that's where this is heading. using her abuse to drive the development of another character, especially a male, would be really, really bad.
Not unless the King provoked them.
There are only about five Kingsguard in Kings Landing. Jaime is in Dorne and Meryn Trant is in Bravos. Here's that photo again.
Why do you think they would be able to march in to the Sept and kill every one of the Faith Militant's fighters and get to Cersei and Margaery without them being harmed or at least held hostage at knife point?
but the faith militant aren't trained fighters, are they? surely the kingsguard would be able to hold their own against a bunch of untrained fanatics? they haven't been shown to use anything like guerrilla tactics that would give them an advantage. also couldn't tommen call in the regular standing army/guards?
it feels like something that had to be highly contracted due to pacing issues. which is odd because the season feels like it also has a lot of slow filler. hmm.
ehh this show is just starting to feel utterly depressing. why did we have to have another female character almost raped? then far, far too many lingering shots of the sand snake lady's breasts. just felt strange.
i will say that the high sparrow is a fantastic character and beautifully acted. such a feeling of soft, graceful but utterly foreboding menace.
To be honest a 5 seconds scene in the episode where Jorah kidnaps Tyrion would've been enough.
I guess they can solve it in some way when they reintroduce him.
it would make sense that he did, but yeah that was his gift.
Is this one of those things where is was handled more organically in the books and the show just went "oh fuck, we forgot this plotline?"
No, I haven't noticed. Perhaps because it hasn't happened.
liliththepale
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Yeah. Might've been cool to show him looking about for a few moments, then kind of shrug it off and leave the tavern.
I think it's fair to say that the pacing has slowed back down and that the novelty has worn off, but I'd agree that the actual quality hasn't faltered. I'm very much enjoying the procedings and pacing (save anything the Sand Snakes are involved in).
Charlie0108
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Are we at the point now where Tommen, Myrcella and Joffrey are all basically the same age, had the Joff still been alive?
lastplayed
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Yeah, I was wondering about that. From High Sparrow's speech at the end, it sounds like something he always knew from the moment Lancel was reborn or whatever. So what was the point of Littlefinger?
Ssh we don't discuss ages anymore.
However they've got the awkward situation of Gilly's baby still being, well, a baby since early S3.
Just watched the episode. So I assume we once again have had people "speculating" in this thread who have read the books. Because that thing about Melisandre wanting Stannis to sacrifice his daughter was not something I could have guessed would happen but several people said it would happen a while back here.
Otherwise a solid episode but not great. The fighting pits scene was somewhat lame, good to finally see Tyrion and Jorah meet up with Daenerys at least.
I was scared Bron was gonna bite it.. phew. That scene was a bit painful overall though, felt like it was just there to get some nudity into the episode.
The stuff at winterfell is the most interesting right now.. Sansa is still so, so stupid. Good thinking, trusting the most mentally unstable person in Westeros who is little more than a lapdog for Ramsey. Sigh.
Cersei's scheming finally backfired, which was wonderful. I was waiting for that old sparrow to realize that Cersei is guilty of way worse crimes than Margaery and Loras. Interesting to see where it goes from here. The whole political landscape of King's Landing is a bit messy.. but I guess that's what happens when there is a weak little boy as King and no smart, dominant character like Tywin to back him up.
Otherwise a solid episode but not great. The fighting pits scene was somewhat lame, good to finally see Tyrion and Jorah meet up with Daenerys at least.
I was scared Bron was gonna bite it.. phew. That scene was a bit painful overall though, felt like it was just there to get some nudity into the episode.
The stuff at winterfell is the most interesting right now.. Sansa is still so, so stupid. Good thinking, trusting the most mentally unstable person in Westeros who is little more than a lapdog for Ramsey. Sigh.
Cersei's scheming finally backfired, which was wonderful. I was waiting for that old sparrow to realize that Cersei is guilty of way worse crimes than Margaery and Loras. Interesting to see where it goes from here. The whole political landscape of King's Landing is a bit messy.. but I guess that's what happens when there is a weak little boy as King and no smart, dominant character like Tywin to back him up.
Haha yeah, that cracks me up.
liliththepale
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It's really complicated. Tommen and Myrcella's ages were retconned recently, plus they were originally aged up 4 years rather than the 2 years every other child was aged up.
There's a bunch of (not-spoilery) info on this section of this wiki page: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Tommen_Baratheon#Tommen.27s_age_in_the_TV_continuity
There was a scene back in S4 between Melisandre and Selyse where it was made quite clear that Melly Sanders had plans for her, you must have forgotten about it or missed it.
And it was reiterated again this season when Melisandre talked about how the lord of light doesn't care about her scars -- immediately followed by reaffirming Stannis' trust in her. Not to mention here history of wanting to sacrifice Baratheon heirs
Like most things this season it was very heavily hinted at to the point of being obvious
Nakkilokki
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Why couldn't Sansa ask the old lady to light the candle? It's totally unbelievable that he would ask Theon for anything.
ComputerBlue
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Sansa was locked away in that room with Reek being her only contact other than Ramsay.
No I remembered that I just didn't see anything that would hint to specifically Stannis having to sacrifice her. Draw blood from her? Sure. Sacrifice? Seems too specific to just guess but okay.
She is a prisoner now, locked in her room all day and raped at night
I think that the criticism of slowness is being conflated with a lack of physical action. Maybe that's accurate for some criticisms, but not all. Slowness can also mean a lack of character development and a lack of plot movement. I think that's the most accurate criticism.
Let's take the ongoing Sansa suffering as an example. Compare her being shown her father's head with her rape. IIRC, they're about the same length. In the first scene, Joffrey's cruelty is taken to new heights, and I think there is a pretty important interaction between her and the Hound. On top of it, we see her stare at her father's head and deepen her hate of Joffrey. In the second, Ramsay asks about something we know and rapes her. Given the characters and the circumstances, it is expected. Reek's watching turns out to ve inconsequential so far. To add insult to injury, the Darth Sansa that people were raving about is apparently nonexistent. We may have seen it in her conversation with Ramsay last season, but it basically recapped his conversation with Roose and she didn't plant any seeds of discord, so whatever. Less character growth in the later scene.
We could also take Dany's power growth over the last several seasons. She went from an object to be sold, to the Khaleesi, to the mother of dragons, to the mother, to the breaker of chains or whatever, to being an incompetent ruler of a slave city. This season has seen her in the last role without change, with what we must assume is a diminished power base, but it is unclear whether she's in danger of being driven out of the city yet. No real growth in her.
If the game of thrones is about shifting power of houses, I'd argue that the majority of pieces have been static this season, with the exception of Tyrell, Lannister, and the Faith Militant - and even then those pieces have only moved in the last two episodes.
So, I don't need to see Tyrion ride a dragon to defeat the white walkers to be happy. I do need to be given more reason to care about those houses and those that belong to them and see them at least plan to make moves rather than have gratuitous sex scenes, Xena girl power clones, and gore with some magic and lore thrown in. Therein lies the path that True Blood walked and the road to ruin.
Let's take the ongoing Sansa suffering as an example. Compare her being shown her father's head with her rape. IIRC, they're about the same length. In the first scene, Joffrey's cruelty is taken to new heights, and I think there is a pretty important interaction between her and the Hound. On top of it, we see her stare at her father's head and deepen her hate of Joffrey. In the second, Ramsay asks about something we know and rapes her. Given the characters and the circumstances, it is expected. Reek's watching turns out to ve inconsequential so far. To add insult to injury, the Darth Sansa that people were raving about is apparently nonexistent. We may have seen it in her conversation with Ramsay last season, but it basically recapped his conversation with Roose and she didn't plant any seeds of discord, so whatever. Less character growth in the later scene.
We could also take Dany's power growth over the last several seasons. She went from an object to be sold, to the Khaleesi, to the mother of dragons, to the mother, to the breaker of chains or whatever, to being an incompetent ruler of a slave city. This season has seen her in the last role without change, with what we must assume is a diminished power base, but it is unclear whether she's in danger of being driven out of the city yet. No real growth in her.
If the game of thrones is about shifting power of houses, I'd argue that the majority of pieces have been static this season, with the exception of Tyrell, Lannister, and the Faith Militant - and even then those pieces have only moved in the last two episodes.
So, I don't need to see Tyrion ride a dragon to defeat the white walkers to be happy. I do need to be given more reason to care about those houses and those that belong to them and see them at least plan to make moves rather than have gratuitous sex scenes, Xena girl power clones, and gore with some magic and lore thrown in. Therein lies the path that True Blood walked and the road to ruin.
Gendry was going to be sacrificed too. The leeches were just a demonstration for Davos
Seven episodes in now and still no shot of the throneroom. Can we make it all season without seeing it?
Sticky&Sweet
Banned
Poor Queen Cerslay.
soundscream
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So what's Little Fingers next move?
He could possibly roll up to Tommen and say, I can fix this but you have to send your mother away if I do. Making himself hand in the process. Or he could just exit stage left and let the shit continue to hit the fan.
He could possibly roll up to Tommen and say, I can fix this but you have to send your mother away if I do. Making himself hand in the process. Or he could just exit stage left and let the shit continue to hit the fan.
Then he flaps his wings that Qyburn grafted on, flies to Meereen, and dukes it out with Drogon.
wouldn't shock me at all... unless Qyburn is one of the crazies
The English Conquistador
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Pretty good episode. Kept the pacing pretty well and finally provided some plot developments. Not much, but a decent amount.
Speaking of developments...
Speaking of developments...
Qyburn seems to be Cersei's only friend, as she said she's quite fond of him and remarked to Pycelle that the Small Council wasn't small enough when him and Qyburn were the last members remaining.
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