Are we supposed to know what Littlefinger's offers to the Lannisters and Tyrell's were? All I remember of his conversation with Cersei is the stuff about being warden of the north. Was the "handsome young man" (I forget how it was worded) the Lannister who revealed all of Cersei's wrongdoings to the church? Don't really get how Littlefinger could have influence over him since he's renounced wealth for religion.
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TheContact
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I just thought of something. How come Margery or even Cercei don't use trial by combat to exonerate themselves ?
Kenzodielocke
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This is not the MGS community thread, sorry wrong thread 
Dr.Horrible
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I doubt the Sparrows allow such a thing.
LonelyGreyWolf
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I somehow doubt trial by combat is a thing they do in this church, lol.
EDIT: Beaten like a Tyrell.
LonelyGreyWolf
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My guess she wants to use him. With her glorious "talents", I can see her distracting an guard easily.
show me your skeleton
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which is odd because the whole excuse for trail-by-combat is that it's the gods deciding fate etc.
OK and moving to Danny, the Lanisters were allies of the Tygharians during the rule of the mad king.
Lannisters turned on Tyghrians when all was lost as Robert Borathian cut down Rhyghar (her elder brother) which resulted in Jaime killing the Mad King. I assume Tyrion will leverage him being an enemy to those loyal to Lannisters as proof he has cut ties with them, and his wealth of knowldge and battle strategy to possibly become one of her advisors? I think Varys was pointing to this. Im going to enjoy Tyrion/Dany combo if it does happen, it'll probably draw eyes on her from Westeros as as a growing threat. Tyrion i believe is still assumed to be the killer of King Joffery and ofcourse Tywin. Not sure, but looking forward to finding out!
Lannisters turned on Tyghrians when all was lost as Robert Borathian cut down Rhyghar (her elder brother) which resulted in Jaime killing the Mad King. I assume Tyrion will leverage him being an enemy to those loyal to Lannisters as proof he has cut ties with them, and his wealth of knowldge and battle strategy to possibly become one of her advisors? I think Varys was pointing to this. Im going to enjoy Tyrion/Dany combo if it does happen, it'll probably draw eyes on her from Westeros as as a growing threat. Tyrion i believe is still assumed to be the killer of King Joffery and ofcourse Tywin. Not sure, but looking forward to finding out!
time is weird on the show. It is definitely not a year a series.
I think since the the very first episode, time has moved at around two years, which makes sense tbh. the only thing that doesn't make sense, is the ages of the children that have now grown up, which we all know has been retconned.
I think since the the very first episode, time has moved at around two years, which makes sense tbh. the only thing that doesn't make sense, is the ages of the children that have now grown up, which we all know has been retconned.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
This season has been so dull. I can't believe it's almost over.
CountAntonius
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"Oh Khaleesi, this is the last time you make me hard."
LonelyGreyWolf
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Jorah screaming out that he has a gift for her and then Tyrion walks out was soooo weird.
iNvid02
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lel. i dont know if those stonemen are fireproof but maybe she'll put him in the dungeons to play with those two dragons.
I really need a gif of 2:17 to 2:21.
LonelyGreyWolf
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Maybe I'm completely wrong, but iirc last time we saw them they abandoned Khaleesi because Khal Drogo was dead and Khaleesi was weak.
IAmRandom31
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pretty much forgotten about as to this shows story. They haven't been loyal to the Khaleesi since Khal Drogo couldn't ride anymore.
The few remaining have been relegated to background extras, we saw them drag Mossador and Hizdahr away this season.
The Khalasar got divided following different Khals after Drogo's death in season 01. They were loyal to Dany only because she was married to Drogo. Without him she was nothing to them. They haven't been seen since then but we can assume they're out there doing Dothraki things. Jorah mentions them in season 2 saying each Khal had formed their own Khalasars and would probably be hostile to Dany if they met.
The ones that followed Dany were basically women and old people plus her blood riders. Some have died, the rest faded into the background as unimportant characters, it seems.
I Interpreted it as Lancel was the gift and that Olenna or someone may have talked to the high sparrow about it. the high sparrow then got Lancel to talk, as he mentions how his soul was so heavy but now so light. I don't really buy that however since Lancel has been part of the religious cult since before it came into power. I think the high sparrow was just waiting to play the card. If he had tried to do it right away Cersei would have had them all killed.
No doubt in my mind Stannis sacrifices his daughter. They are just setting it up to be vile as possible for those of you who got all sappy when he talked about how much he loved his daughter.
Dictator93
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Beyond the fact that the woman is crazy attractive, I thought it was pretty well written. Much better than a number of other situations that happened in the episode.
It was glorious! I hate Cersei.
This woman deserves an Emmy!
At least she made up for the lackluster fight on the previous episode. Some of the worst i have seen so far.
That makes sense but I still don't understand the bit where Littlefinger said to Olenna that he was offering her the same thing he offered Cersei.
No idea where this series is going but glad that Cersei's finally getting her comeuppance and that Tyrion has met Danaerys. Also think there could be good potential in the religion story line. Seemed like the high priest was threatening to use his influence with the peasants which could be a nice turn of events and refreshing after so much focus on the nobility.
We all know how weak we are.
Edit: In other news, how sure are we that Jon is going have himself a white walker fight North of the wall? Has the dragonglass in tow, 100% gonna happen IMO. Although with only 3 episodes left I wonder how much there is left to show to prep for 6.
AuthenticM
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ok, is it "Cercei" or "Cersei" ?
Kenzodielocke
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Cersei.
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
Sorry if this has already been answered but what gives with the faith militant/high sparrow having all this power to throw royalty in prison cells based on simple accusations? I mean to me they just seemed like some sort of underground cult/religion at first. Is it simply because the new boy king won't step in to stop it? It seems really stupid but maybe I'm just not understanding something here.
There's no doubt in my mind that he doesn't, I believe it will cost him the war vs the Boltons, and there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth among the fans. He'll probably get killed in some wintery battle having warned Shireen to find Ser Davos and get into hiding beforehand, just in case.
Once Stannis is gone Melly will turn her eye back towards Jon, who should be arriving back south of the wall with a massive army of wildlings. (Because seriously, Jon going up there only to get killed or rebuffed would be ridiculous storytelling.)
There have been tons of hints about this throughout each season. Remember the following:
-The old High Septon (their 'Pope') was a Lannister puppet who drank and whored and did as bid. Probably didn't even believe in god. But it's stated that the Crown and the Church are the two sources of all law and discipline. They need each other to keep the people under control. That's how it works. Just because we haven't seen much of the church doesn't mean it's not powerful. With the High Septon being a puppet, the Church and Crown have always been the same thing so far as the show has been running.
-The people were already rioting in the streets back in Joffrey's era. We saw preachers on the streets back then inciting violence too. So the people have been ready to follow someone.
-The war of five kings has reduced the numbers of guards severely, and has bankrupted the kingdom. People are starving.
-The 'High Sparrow' just redirects all of this pre-existing anger, using food to get people onside.
-The Sparrow makes a move against the High Septon, and incredibly Cersei decides to replace her puppet with the Sparrow. The Sparrow is now 'the official Pope'. So all the religious small folk must now follow him, not just his Sparrows.
-Then she decides to do something crazy, and arms the Sparrows, undoing a law saying that religious people couldn't be armed that had stood for hundreds of years. All of this is because she believes she controls the Sparrow (as she is the one who 'gave' him his power), and because he can bring down the hated Margaery.
-At this point, the Sparrow is both the leader of his cult and the official relgious leader of King's Landing (and possibly the whole kingdom) and has an entire city of starving, high religious people to do his bidding in a place where there's a weak king and a decimated army.
So he basically gains ludicrous power overnight, but it makes perfect sense in the world as presented.
Nah, it's bad storytelling. But it was either flesh that out or bare more flesh and well, look at how much people loved seeing barely legal boobs.
IAmRandom31
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Is there any info on how big of an organization the Faceless Men are?
Seeing all those faces in the room ... makes me wonder.
Seeing all those faces in the room ... makes me wonder.
Eh, blaming the lack of good development on one gratuitous nude scene is disingenuous at best.
Gratuitous nudity has been there since D1, and the development was also there.
This season didn't have that much nudity, and yet, we've been spinning in circle for 5 or 6 episodes, basically.
This season is just a mess on all fronts, i mean look at the fight scene in Dorne, ffs.
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
Ahh okay, yeah it makes a bit more sense now. thanks for explaining that!! I completely forgot about the sparrow being appointed the new High Septon.
RustyNails
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I'm still calling it. Stannis will sacrifice his daughter, Ser Davos will go berserk and kill Melly and then runs away to join Dany.
You don't kill Melisandre.
I agree that gratuitous nudity, rape, and all the other sorts of things people are taking offense at has always been there, but I think that in the past, it has been the background of a scene rather than the point of the scene.
I think season 5 nudity, rape, etc. is unique compared to other seasons because they do comparatively little to advance either relationships or the larger plot.
This woman deserves an Emmy!
I wonder if she was getting his blood pumping so the poison would act faster. Yes, great boobs, amazing ones but I like to think she was playing with him like that.
That was the entire point, yes.
RustyNails
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Yeah you do. Screw her and her dumb lord of the light leechcraft
I think you just notice them more because a(n interesting) plot is missing, and only those remain.
I mean, remove the boobs from that prison scene, and it wouldn't have been a better scene at all.
LonelyGreyWolf
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The choreography in most of the small skirmishes have been pretty terrible through out the entirety of the series.
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