I think it has been heavily hinted if not outright said that the many face god is simply the god of death.
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I think it has been heavily hinted if not outright said that the many face god is simply the god of death.
They're only running out of food because the storm is preventing them from moving forward.
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Yes, i know that but then i wonder why that would be there. I wish i could find a screenshot of it. Bah.
Yikes, I was chatting with my friend about the show recently and he said Stannis absolutely wouldn't and couldn't burn Shireen, that he was too good a guy for that, he practically shot me down for even suggesting it (Stannis is his favourite character).
Gonna message him tomorrow after he's seen it, mwhahaha
Gonna message him tomorrow after he's seen it, mwhahaha
Funky Papa
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Yes, because the White Walkers are firmly against child murder
They are like, giving them a second chance at non-life, man.
I don't know what it is. This season just seems so cheesy with crazy coincidences and nick of time rescues. Not to mention seemingly weird abuse of logic for the sake of the story (Unsullied, religious fanatics, etc).
I might be off but the season on the whole doesn't seem as "clever" as the show has up until this season.
I might be off but the season on the whole doesn't seem as "clever" as the show has up until this season.
Not much of a sacrifice if she's already dead.
Nameless
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Think of all the children of the North who'll have a greater chance of survival with Stannis as King!
Shuggananas
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Yes, because the White Walkers are firmly against child murder
How do you know they killed them ?
BobTheFork
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I was wondering... I mean, the kid that's only ribs is disgusting and really cool but did he die like that? It seems weird (and also disgusting) to think the Wrights ripped him into ribs. I guess at the time I thought that kid had starved to death and then rose up.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I know there's a ton of arguments over whether this is violating Stannis' established character. Maybe, maybe not. But to me what he did fits within the role Stannis is playing. Every character has some quality that is a counterpoint to their primary self.
In the overall drama, Stannis has been the closest thing to a traditional, law-abiding and noble king who actually cares about the realm. But it can't be that simple, so Stannis has a huge flaw: the ends justify the means. Stannis will talk himself into doing anything - even if with extreme reluctance - if he believes it is the only way to save the realm from itself.
And unfortunately that makes him his own kind of monster. He can't see how becoming the one true king might be for naught if he turns into an empty psychopath along the way. He relies on the letter of the law to guide him and make everything turn out right. But he has sacrificed his conscience in the service of it.
In the overall drama, Stannis has been the closest thing to a traditional, law-abiding and noble king who actually cares about the realm. But it can't be that simple, so Stannis has a huge flaw: the ends justify the means. Stannis will talk himself into doing anything - even if with extreme reluctance - if he believes it is the only way to save the realm from itself.
And unfortunately that makes him his own kind of monster. He can't see how becoming the one true king might be for naught if he turns into an empty psychopath along the way. He relies on the letter of the law to guide him and make everything turn out right. But he has sacrificed his conscience in the service of it.
Yes, because the White Walkers are firmly against child murder
Even if the White Walkers killed these children, there won't be a public outcry about this because it is already established that they are monsters. I mean, look at them.
With the Stannis the former Mannis, the show tried to convince us in the current season that he is a good father. An image which he burnt to the ground is the latest episode.
Funky Papa
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Body shaming should have no place in GAF, tbqh.
So where is it??
*shrug*
Fans expressing disapproval in the interest of forum discussion don't count.
poppabk
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A lot of the politics have been sidelined. Other than littlefinger there isn't really anyone scheming (except Olly that little bastard) people are just acting or reacting straightforwardly and often stupidly. The show has definitely lost something in that transition, but it was kind of inevitable that we would lose some of that as the scope expanded.
Pseudo_Sam
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Get that book shit outta here mang
I know what you mean, like Brad Pitt in Troy, epic roles like this you need that magic.
The Dany scene reminded me of the Geneosis battle arena sequence from Star Wars II. Especially the end with the rescue coming from the sky at the right time after that the protagonists have been surrounded by lots of ennemies in the arena's core.
Same I thought of that too.
Nameless
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Just an assumption given how we stumbled on children murdered by the White Walkers in the pilot. Also some had wounds and gashes that didn't look like mere decay.
The thing is that the show was really bad in portraying that. I think we all were expecting the sacrifice, but that it would happen in completely different circumstances, now not only Stannis seems out of character, Selyse is out of character as well.
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going back to the promo before the season started, a lot of the bigger plot points were straight up spoiled in that video. I pretty much knew Jorah was going to be in the pits and that the Harpies were going to do some crazy nonsense before a single episode had aired. Nuts that they revealed so much beforehand
How many more seasons are expected for this show?
I found this episode disappointing because I expected more a shift towards the importance of Winter. I didn't expect more white walkers or anything, but Winter seems to be the overriding conflict of the show and way more interesting than these disparate cliques fighting over a place to sit above minions. I'm just wondering when I can start to expect them to really focus on this aspect and flesh it out.
If it weren't for the Age of Ultron's recent release, the notion of the White Walkers ending up a sympathetic device via being some cleansing agent for a sullied species would have been interesting.
I found this episode disappointing because I expected more a shift towards the importance of Winter. I didn't expect more white walkers or anything, but Winter seems to be the overriding conflict of the show and way more interesting than these disparate cliques fighting over a place to sit above minions. I'm just wondering when I can start to expect them to really focus on this aspect and flesh it out.
If it weren't for the Age of Ultron's recent release, the notion of the White Walkers ending up a sympathetic device via being some cleansing agent for a sullied species would have been interesting.
Erebus
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I haven't even read them.
Nameless
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A. Stannis is still The Mannis despite what these traitors and apostates say.
B. Stannis has been built as a man with a code who will also do whatever it takes, even if it's monstrous, to accomplish his goals.
C. Obviously no one is obligated to root for a fictional character, but people should have known what the were getting to jumping on Team Stannis -- he's used blood magic to forge his path from the beginning.
JadedWriter
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I know, but damn Stannis really is #WorstGOTDad then. Seems to be even worse than Tywin.
I can see her releasing the other two Dragons to see some three way action scenes. Epic shit!
Nameless
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Et tu?
You'll change your tune next week after Stannis frees Lady Sansa from the jaws of torture & torment.
Nameless
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Actually their main goal was to put themselves in power.
Killing Dany wouldn't be enough. Take note how they deliberately focused on the Harpies killing other noblemen. They weren't interested in killing only her. They wanted to and needed to kill off everyone else who had power but was willing to follow Khaleesi's lead.
Dany did fuck over her biggest and smartest supporters but I'm very sure she is doing it hoping they survive long enough so she can come back with all 3 dragons. It was obvious 1 wouldn't be enough.
Statistical outliers aside, this statement completely ignores how they built a new army that episode.
You don't make an army in that way without slaughtering many children as well.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I agree, really. A lot of the characterization in the show comes across as rough because the plot framework plops them in place pretty abruptly. Maybe it's a consequence of compression and writing so many shortcuts.
Probably 2, maybe 3.
>implying Brienne isn't going to rescue Sansa and cut down bloodthirsty Stannis
Actually it's
Mother's Mercy
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When Olly's eyes glow blue and he kills everyone, just remember that i told you he would play a big part this season.
you guys can get on the olly train now but any later than today you'll be considered a bunch of bandwagoners.
you guys can get on the olly train now but any later than today you'll be considered a bunch of bandwagoners.
Nameless
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I think they're going to do:
Season 6 - 10 episodes
Season 7 pt1 - 7 episodes
Season 7 pt2 - 7 episodes
HBO wants 8 seasons but the the show runners want the show to end after 7. My guess is we'll see some sort of compromise.
I hope stannis defeats the boltons, and I hope Sansa gets safe. But then I hope Stannis falls hard. I see the hardship of the whole situation and his total desperation but burning your own daughter alive... There had to be another way. Too cruel. Can't believe HBO went there...
The sneak attack by Ramsay left Stannis two options. Fail, or sacrifice his daughter. And he did exactly what you'd expect from the guy who had been burning people and murdering family members since the start of the show. Selyse responding to the screams of her dying daughter just showed that she hadn't been totally consumed by her religious fanaticism.
It seems out of character because we had one scene where he showed his daughter love? Up until that point, he had been very cold towards her and shown her no love or affection. The scene earlier in the season was a big turning point for Shireen because her father hadn't shown her love. It was the first time he had done anything of the sort.
It was perfectly in character for the man we've been seeing for 4 seasons.
This is what the creators had to say about Selyse.
https://youtu.be/NfLScJVXBHQ?t=2m14s
I think it's a silly complaint to poopoo Selyse's growth as a character. Do we want characters to never change, evolve and surprise us? Did you really want her to just watch her daughter being burned alive and not have any impact an her?
Nameless
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-Brienne's success rate is pretty terrible at this point, but you could argue that means she's due for a W. Don't see her killing Mannis, though.
-Stand corrected. The source I saw had ep9's episode right so I didn't question it.
That sounds realistic. Perhaps the final episode will be two hours long, meaning there will be around 25 hours left of Game of Thrones after this season finishes on Sunday.
I've enjoyed pretty much every episode of this show (even the ones which are generally considered weaker), but I just cannot shake this dread of how intrinsically flawed Daenerys makes the entire epic story feel at its very core.
So much is invested in her story, yet it seems like the writers are writing for a character which has never existed on-screen and are hoping if they just keep going the viewer will eventually care? Maybe this is the ultimate drawback of being based on a popular book - the writers aren't able to course-correct in a way an entirely original work could?
Honestly starting to wonder if a dramatic recasting around season 2/3 would have, once everything is said and done, damaged the show less than keeping zero-screen-presence Emilia.
Maybe GoT will completely surprise me with self-awareness, and it'll turn out her arc was never to 'win' or learn how to be a just rule, but instead to lose tragically as a demonstration that bloodline ultimately means nothing, and nobody deserves a throne.
So much is invested in her story, yet it seems like the writers are writing for a character which has never existed on-screen and are hoping if they just keep going the viewer will eventually care? Maybe this is the ultimate drawback of being based on a popular book - the writers aren't able to course-correct in a way an entirely original work could?
Honestly starting to wonder if a dramatic recasting around season 2/3 would have, once everything is said and done, damaged the show less than keeping zero-screen-presence Emilia.
Maybe GoT will completely surprise me with self-awareness, and it'll turn out her arc was never to 'win' or learn how to be a just rule, but instead to lose tragically as a demonstration that bloodline ultimately means nothing, and nobody deserves a throne.
Your extremely negative opinion of Dany isn't representative of the viewing audience.
The slave owners are the richest people in the city. They are probably paying sellswords to fight for them.
The slave owners are the richest people in the city. They are probably paying sellswords to fight for them.
Goddamn it, Stannis. God fucking damn it.
Now there's no one I want on the throne anymore.
I also dislike Dany, but she's surrounded with awesome characters now and I have to admit, the ending of this episode was pretty goddamn amazing.. Nah, still don't want her on the throne though lol
Now there's no one I want on the throne anymore.
I also dislike Dany, but she's surrounded with awesome characters now and I have to admit, the ending of this episode was pretty goddamn amazing.. Nah, still don't want her on the throne though lol
All hail His Grace, Olly, First of His Name, King of the Andals and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm.
They are trained since babies to kill people, they are just better fighters, it just looks like they have the numbers but they don't.
Ziltoidia 9
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How many White Walkers are there?
6?
1 killed by Sam
1 by Jon
Then the 4 with the horses (including the King) ?
Or these many ?
I feel like there are a lot more than what is shown here, but not thousands. Probably a few hundred.
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