BurningNad
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You know nothing, Jon Snow.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 5 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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I miss ginger minge. I was watching the marathon up to the premiere, and even though they foreshadowed the hell out of it, I think Rose Leslie did a wonderfully emotional scene even with that cheesy last line.
I still think they are perfectly set up to die. Drogon will be the only one left and she'll have to find him and tame him. She's theoretically the only one who can since she's got that +100 fire immunity stat.
liliththepale
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Aside from the parody posted a couple pages ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOrBlGRaTIM), no. I doubt any Starks are dying this season, so Rickon and his caretaker don't have a role to play any more.
Cro-Magnon
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Yeah, I find that's kind of a big problem for many mass products, sadly.
You should see Furious 7.
Anyway, I thought it was a good first episode for the season. Set up the story nicely and I can't wait to see Tyrion interacting withy Dany, that should be good. I thought they did a good job with letting people catch up on every storyline.
Kenzodielocke
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Honestly guys, after
death, I see no point in marrying a
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are doomed.
was everything they had.
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lastplayed
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Yeah so who's actually head of House Lannister now?
Happy the show's back, good first episode (not on 4x01 levels though).
I missed my Margaery so much.
One thing that stuck with me was the ending: i'm always horrified by the idea of being burnt alive, the growing fear, the hot that keeps growing, the pain, the screams... and then Jon had the courage to put Mance out of his misery. I literally jumped on my feet screaming YES! And at first i thought he was going to avoid watching it. So satisfied by how it went.
I missed my Margaery so much.
One thing that stuck with me was the ending: i'm always horrified by the idea of being burnt alive, the growing fear, the hot that keeps growing, the pain, the screams... and then Jon had the courage to put Mance out of his misery. I literally jumped on my feet screaming YES! And at first i thought he was going to avoid watching it. So satisfied by how it went.
Bingo.
Has to be Cersei, right? I wonder who will be the new Hand of the king though.
Kenzodielocke
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lastplayed
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Yeah makes sense, just wasn't sure if it went straight to Tommen or not.
Ha, it's gotta be one of the most dangerous jobs in Westeros. Who'd want it.
Tommen isn't a Lannister, so it wouldn't.
I think technically it's Male heirs > Female heirs > Oldest sibling (Lancel's father, Cersei's uncle) before it even gets to Tommen. And even then Tommen would lose his claim if Jaimi were to produce male legitimate offspring (which, of course, he's technically not allowed to).
By all rights, Tyrion was the heir to Casterly Rock before he became an exiled kinslayer, though.
lastplayed
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Man what was I thinking, of course he isn't. It's easy to forget those kids are technically Baratheons (in name) when Stannis is running around with that name.
Dirtyshubb
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You make it sound like her being great in Dredd was an accomplishment, everything about that film was great
And even if they were recognised as Cersei and Jaime's and not as Robert's, they'd be bastards and not be Lannisters unless legitimized by royal decree and still wouldn't have a claim to Casterly Rock.
Hah! Yeah, the irony would be too perfect. I can't see Jamie ever wanting the position either.
If Tommen was found to be a bastard and was made legitimate he would be the head of the Lannisters, so he would definitely have a claim on Casterly Rock.
In this event Stannis would probably burn him alive though.
priority would be:
jaime, tyrion, tywins male siblings from oldest to youngest. he has atleast one brother we've seen. assuming he didn't die since the army camp.
succession is confusing though.
for example, if tywin had no children, but had a nephew through his next oldest sibling who is dead, would it pass to the nephew as son of the oldest sibling or to the next oldest living sibling?
That's what I said
He was in this episode, with his son Lancel, at the wake.
Kenzodielocke
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Jaime has no rights since he's in the Kingsguard I thought ?
Mmm I thought the same. Tywin was trying to get him to step down last season through Tyrion's trial.
The nephew would inherit.
Assuming Male-preference cognatic primogeniture (playing Crusader Kings 2 helps here
)On a family tree, you search downwards (children) for a male. If none is found, step sideways (sibling, male first) and search downwards (starting at the top).
However, if all Tywin's brothers, their sons (and their sons), tyrion, jaime and tommen were to die, Cersei would be (the very lonely) Lady of Casterly Rock.
The Smoking Bun
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So how many of you are excited for some Assassin's Creed in your Game Of Thrones?
el_colibri
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I felt so sorry for Mance. I know he was probably not the most moral of characters (he was the wildling leader after all) but the way the last few scenes played out, I wanted him to bend the knee if only to become better friends with Jon.
Possibly but unless they starve to death, I can't see it happening but this is Game of Thrones, anything is possible.
Kevan Lannister. I was pleased they'd kept the same actor for this series and hadn't done a classic GoT five recastings.
Yeah Jamie would be the head of the Lannister house if he wasn't a kingsguard but since he is he is out of the picture.
As of last season though it seems he could get out of being a kingsguard if he wanted.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
It was a frustrating sequence. As soon as Snow's scenes came up I said to my mates watching with me "here we go, watch as Stannis whines and does something fucking stupid". I feel Mance was both right and wrong in his decision, a decision forced upon him by an idiot.
Stannis is so lame. I was rooting for him way back when, but any semblance of positive leadership is undone by his two dimensional perspective on everything.
Mance Rayder broke his vows and deserted from the Night's Watch. Him being put to death was inevitable, that's the penalty.
That he was given a chance to live in itself is actually a credit to Stannis, to be honest. Ned Stark didn't even do that and he's the beacon of honor and decency in the show.
That he was given a chance to live in itself is actually a credit to Stannis, to be honest. Ned Stark didn't even do that and he's the beacon of honor and decency in the show.
I think it would be Cersei as I think Tywin's children would be first, even though Cersei is female.
Another example would be the Baratheon family since Robert and Joffrey are dead now and Tommen is the last male child from Robert, Myrcella is currently the heir.
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Jaime is Kingsguard, though, as disqualified by his vows. Tyrion is presumably disqualified at this point. Under agnatic-cognatic, it passes to Cersei; under strict agnatic, Kevan.
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Who else would you marry?
The Starks are all dead, as far as most lords and ladies know; Sansa being the sole exception. After the Blackwater, Stannis Baratheon seems done and dusted; to the extent that Tommen is a Baratheon, he's pretty far removed from the rest of his house. The Greyjoys got routed from the north by a relatively small commitment of troops and are unreliable at the best of times. Edmure Tully is a captive of the Freys. The Lord Arryn is a child and obviously will be under Littlefinger's influence. Dorne is right on the periphery of kingdom politics at the best of times. The Freys are Lannister puppets and will probably remain so. Bolton's position is not secure.
The only family with any greater power than the Lannisters, even
with Tywin's death
Mance does care for them though. I feel that in Mance's eyes, he can consider it a job done. His aim was to get the wildlings on the other side of the Wall. And while most of them feel it's for pillaging or reclaiming land, Mance really did it out of fear of the White Walkers and what it would do.
Maybe they reintroduced Kevan for a power struggle? At first I thought it was just cause his brother died or maybe for his son to come back too, but I could see it happening.
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I doubt anyone would try to start a power struggle against the queen mother without serious reason. The only person with a security net large enough to fuck with Cersei is Margary.
It doesn't hurt that they control large swathes of productive farmland too. Soldiers need feeding, and winter is coming.
robotzombie
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guys, you can say that Tywin died
It was Rhaegar Targaryen who was a prince at the time. He ended up marrying Elia Martell.
Thanks! It kinda sorta rings a bell. Don't know if it's from those DVD specials though.
Napalm_Frank
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Yup. Ramsay and Roose>All the Starks with the exeption of Ned and Arya. And even with Ned the only reason I'm willing to forgive his boneheadness is because it wasn't an open war at that point and Robert's death came as a surprise. Nobody would have openly attacked Ned when Robert was still alive.
Also hate on Frays is misplaced. Robb screwd them over royally after they put their men to die for him. Robb was a dumbass.
Freedom = $1.05
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I'm looking forward this season of Dany basically being How to Train Your Dragon with sideboobs and sidebutts
Her uncle Kevan (Tywin's brother, Lansel's father) is.
http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season-5/episode-1/houses/9/house-lannister
Napalm_Frank
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Cersei comes before Kevan.
It's not made explicit in the show how heredity works in Westeros, but it's pretty safe to assume it's male cognate primogeniture. That literally means the first-born (primo-gen), most closely related (cognate), male(uh, male) relative is the heir. In this case, that's Kevan (Jaime and Tyrion being disqualified). When Kevan dies, it'll be Lancel,
EDIT: Who, I now know, was *not* recast. He just grew up and hit the gym.
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