Hahaha What she was probably seeing was the aftermath of Littlefingers take over of Winter fall.
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Hahaha What she was probably seeing was the aftermath of Littlefingers take over of Winter fall.
Sword Familiar
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With Stannis dead, Melisandre on the Wall and after all those Jon-Melisandre scenes, are there really people that think Jon is dead for good?
He's the main opponent of the Whitwalkers, the greatest evil in the series probably. The only other person that will probably oppose them is Dany, but for now she'll probably be Khaleesi v2.
Sam holds key knowledge of the White Walkers, too, though. He won't go into battle, obviously, but he might hold a major role down the line. He lost his virginity though, so he can't become a wizard.
If they really have Sam take Jon's place, I'll be hugely disappointed. Unless Mel gives him magic shadow and fire powers.
Sword Familiar
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It might just be a screenwriter's reverse bluff. They want us to wonder so we'll come back next season. He'll still be dead though.
The Cowboy
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Stannis blocked/deflected it and the blade hit Brienne killing her instead, Pod came along tripped over a body and fell on the blade sticking up out of her head.
Hardhome was way more important than just learning Valyrian steel kills White Walkers; it was about establishing the White Walkers' threat, period.
The whole show has been telling us that winter is coming, the White Walkers are approaching, they present the greatest threat to Westeros, etc. But off the top of my head, Hardhome is the first time we really see the White Walkers in action, and easily overpower another force -- and then double down on that threat by showing how the dead are then added to their strength.
It's also why "Dance of Dragons" was such a crucial episode: it's one thing to say Dany is dangerous because she has dragons, but you have to actually show why these dragons are a big deal. If you don't show Drogon roasting Harpies or White Walkers slaughtering Wildlings with ease, then these threats being built up don't come off as threats at all.
My personal story arc predictions for the next season!
Sansa/Theon head north to the wall to find Jon, who the audience thinks is still dead.
Littlefinger's army from the veil attacks Winterfell.
Jon is revived and technically doesn't have to follow his vows (not that that fucking matters since he just got fucking stabbed). Sansa tells him that his brothers are still alive and the Boltons hold Winterfell.
Jon, along with Melisandre and Davos head south with the Wildlings/whoever in the watch wants to go with.
Dany either befriends a Khalisar and gets them to join up/come back to Mereen or she's taken basically hostage and her two knights in shining armor save her. She'll be so delighted she won't know how to choose between them! Jorah dies of grayscale making things kind of easier. Yay.
The dream team of Tyrion/Varys/Gray Worm keep Mereen under control. When Dany comes back she fully trusts Tyrion now. End of season they head to Westeros.
Zombie mountain is sent to Dorne to avenge Marcella.
I'm guessing at some point Tommen dies next season, leaving them essentially kingless. Perhaps the Sand Snakes head over and do that? Dunno. Basically I think there's a little proxy battle going to happen between the Martells and Lannisters that leaves King's Landing pretty fucked/desolate of power.
Perhaps snow gets to Winterfell and Littlefinger is basically in charge having mopped things up. Maybe they set up an alliance and Sansa marries Littlefinger and he proclaims king of the north status and Snow as his "hand." Whether Snow/Littlfinger ally or not, the north is rallied.
The wall with whatever remains is attacked and slaughtered. Alistair dies to the walkers.
Sam learns to be a maester, possibly learns some shit to combat the white walkers.
So, I think we'd end the season with perhaps Snow/Littlefinger or whoever getting to king's landing and trying to take over and fortify westeros against the impending doom of the walkers. I'd guess Snow would mostly just rally the north and hole up in Winterfell for a last stand while Littlefinger/Sansa head to king's landing with some army to gather people to send to winter fell. We have Dany headed over to westeros essentially not knowing that shit got real and it's chaos vs white walkers. Sets up an interesting play of Varys/Dany vs Littlefinger/Snow.
Sansa/Theon head north to the wall to find Jon, who the audience thinks is still dead.
Littlefinger's army from the veil attacks Winterfell.
Jon is revived and technically doesn't have to follow his vows (not that that fucking matters since he just got fucking stabbed). Sansa tells him that his brothers are still alive and the Boltons hold Winterfell.
Jon, along with Melisandre and Davos head south with the Wildlings/whoever in the watch wants to go with.
Dany either befriends a Khalisar and gets them to join up/come back to Mereen or she's taken basically hostage and her two knights in shining armor save her. She'll be so delighted she won't know how to choose between them! Jorah dies of grayscale making things kind of easier. Yay.
The dream team of Tyrion/Varys/Gray Worm keep Mereen under control. When Dany comes back she fully trusts Tyrion now. End of season they head to Westeros.
Zombie mountain is sent to Dorne to avenge Marcella.
I'm guessing at some point Tommen dies next season, leaving them essentially kingless. Perhaps the Sand Snakes head over and do that? Dunno. Basically I think there's a little proxy battle going to happen between the Martells and Lannisters that leaves King's Landing pretty fucked/desolate of power.
Perhaps snow gets to Winterfell and Littlefinger is basically in charge having mopped things up. Maybe they set up an alliance and Sansa marries Littlefinger and he proclaims king of the north status and Snow as his "hand." Whether Snow/Littlfinger ally or not, the north is rallied.
The wall with whatever remains is attacked and slaughtered. Alistair dies to the walkers.
Sam learns to be a maester, possibly learns some shit to combat the white walkers.
So, I think we'd end the season with perhaps Snow/Littlefinger or whoever getting to king's landing and trying to take over and fortify westeros against the impending doom of the walkers. I'd guess Snow would mostly just rally the north and hole up in Winterfell for a last stand while Littlefinger/Sansa head to king's landing with some army to gather people to send to winter fell. We have Dany headed over to westeros essentially not knowing that shit got real and it's chaos vs white walkers. Sets up an interesting play of Varys/Dany vs Littlefinger/Snow.
They cut away with The Hound and Tywin. Are they still alive? No.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Right?! I'm so HAPPY and RELIEVED that Cersei survived!
I was convinced she'd be stabbed just before she got back to the Red Keep.Can't wait to see her revenge unfold next year. I just wonder what they'll do with her hair, I'm hoping a wig? She's supposed to be glamorous while serving all those side-eyes and judgemental smirks, and the short hair doesn't work for me.
I mean... we must be watching two different shows
The main complaint people had about the first half of Season 5 was my complaint with all of Season 2: slow, meandering story that took forever to get going. The Wildfire battle is the most boring of all the big setpieces the show has had. They also killed off Renly who was one of my faves, and introduced Stannis as a major player who turned out to be a COMPLETE waste of time as we saw this year.Season 2 is the one I dread myself "powering through" on a series rewatch.
Except Dance of Dragons showed me that she ain't conquering Westeros with those shitty dragons. Some damned nobles in masks and a few spears are able to injure the shit out of Drogon? Yeah...
Psychoward
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They took a shit on Stannis last episode and then they rubbed it in this episode.
The Hound is still alive!
Ninja Scooter
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her dragons are still babies. It's why she's probably quite a ways away from being able to use them to take over Westeros.
Psychoward
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Also how the fuck did Sansa and Theon survive that jump.
That's why I think he might come back.
They focused on the sword AND Jon and Sam were talking about it.
It's a television show with dragons, zombies and magic. Why wouldn't this be believable?
Isn't he still growing? They've come back bigger every season. The tales Viserys and Tywin told had dragons with heads the size of chariots.
Maybe you are reading too much that scene.
The Cowboy
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I would guess they did that as kids or something, it was snowing a lot and maybe it builds up enough at that point for a soft (ish) landing.
diggmcbadass
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They didn't. Landed on spikes. Opening shot next season.
Maybe Stannis was saved by Syrio Forel, who also didn't die on screen.
LyleLanley
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This is Game of Thrones, in the season 6 opener we're going to find out that they didn't survive the jump or that Ramsay found them at the bottom with their legs broken so he proceeds to rape and murder them both.
But it isn't just one scene. The next scene this last episode has Drogon acting injured as hell.
Fenderputty
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I thought Snow had plot armor because of his sword made of Valerian steele. They even touched on it last episode before he bids same farewell.
TheLostBigBoss
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Uhh, we saw Tywin get pretty fucked up and died right in front of us.
Massive snow banks?
Yeah, people are just hurt about Jon Snow. After Hardome, EVERYONE liked him.
Nikodemos
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Sea turtles, mate.
bender
What time is it?
Sansa breaks Reek's fall saving his life. The audience can breath a sigh of relief knowing that we don't have to put up with the mishaps of Sansa any longer.
Psychoward
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Because they were jumping off of castle walls? This is such a stupid argument, yeah just because it has dragons doesn't mean the rest of basic logic jumps out the window (pun intended)
The Janitor
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White walkers arrive and be like "where da fuck is everyone?"
They're totally going to survive, but yeah... that was fucking dumb.
This was an episode where they emphasized the snow is melting. Then 3 seconds before their jump they toss a girl over the edge of the same wall to a height that was shorter and she dies instantly.
They could have easily had them venture down one set of stairs and out a window into a big snow drift or something, but they wanted another CLIFFHANGER!
I definitely don't think Ned is his father. But I do believe that he has Stark blood in him as Ned sounded very sincere when he told him that in season 1 (https://youtu.be/diZPm20DdLM?t=15s).
So my theory is that he is the son of Ned's sister Lyanna (or is there another sister?). Whether it's with Robert or someone else I don't know but I'm almost certain he's the son of Lyanna.
On to snow. It really is a stupid thing to argue over considering this link from the last page.
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/A...-18-000-feet/story-20171154-detail/story.html
They clear the snow inside the walls, not outside up against the castle walls. This complaint is fucking dumb.
It wouldn't be with Robert because Ned wouldn't have a reason to keep that secret from Robert himself. Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna's son, no doubt about that in my mind. He had to keep it secret and pretend he was his kid because... well... look at what Robert wanted to do with every Targaryen kid in existence.
I'm not even sure what you mean with this. They emphasized that the lord of light apparently stopped the snow which was keeping Stannis in place. They showed the snow fucking melting so he could get through. Yet there's enough that Theon and Sansa can land safely on? And they show us the drop really ambiguously.
Look, I'm not saying there isn't enough there to say they survived. I'm not even saying it's dumb that they survived. I'm saying the show played it up more than it needed to be in order to be a big cliffhanger when it didn't need to be at all.
Because she landed on a rock floor inside the castle walls. They would remove snow from inside the castle.
A castle with easily escapable walls is a castle with easily exploited defenses. I agree though that they could have handled it better, but I can let it pass.
I'm not going to argue with you.
It's a show based on a fantasy book. They made a point of showing snow at the bottom of the castle walls.
The thought of them committing suicide never even crossed my mind when I watched that scene.
Okay, I now believe that Jon is the son of Lyanna and Robert. Jon is the true king of Westeros.
Enough snow melted for them to march through it. But there was still snow on the ground. Snow piles up against outer walls.
Fenderputty
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I thought Sansa's cliffhanger was more about how she and Theon will escape a fuming Ramsay who's now going to be hunting for them. Not really whether they're gonna survive the fall.
Again, read my last sentences.
I'm not saying they couldn't. I'm not saying they didn't. I know they did. It'd be ridiculous if they didn't. The thing is that I don't think anyone can deny they purposefully made it waaaaaaaaaaay more ambiguous than it needed to be in order to be a big cliffhanger in an episode of cliffhangers.
I think it's also dumb to do that because it's the same episode Jon gets shanked and Arya ends on a weird blind cliffhanger, too. As show runners they should know there needs to be a little tiny relief/glimpse of hope there for someone "good."
This is what I'm saying the cliffhanger SHOULD have been and why they did it poorly. People should be like "Oh yay they escaped the castle! I hope they get away from Ramsey!" not "Did they just fucking die? How the hell did they survive THAT!?"
I thought about that too and it almost makes too much sense, but wouldn't a half Targaryen at least be somewhat blond? Like at least a light brown or something
But other than that I could definitely see this being true.
Fenderputty
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I admit I had to suspend my disbelief a little because I, like you, was thinking the snow's melting. However I envisioned a bank large enough. In my mind it was pretty clear what the cliffhanger was, but I could see how someone might be thinking the fall was it.
The show runners obviously credit the audience with enough intelligence to know that jumping on to the snow shown at 1:44 is not going to be fatal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVU0loJqkww
Yeah, but that's on inattentive show watchers, not the showrunners. There are legitimate complaints you can make about the way this season was handled, but that scene was absolutely fine. It wasn't a damn suicide pact, if they wanted to die they could have just waited for Ramsay to come back. Seriously, have you people ever gone skiiing? Enough snow can cushion any fall. Plus we're talking about snow that's been piling up in the shadow of a giant wall for weeks. A few hours of above freezing temps isn't going to make a dent in the feet of snow that's been accumulating there.
You're right. This would be a great set up at redeeming GRRM for his bloodlust.
DeathByBacklog
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I hope going forward there's either Implied nudity...or none at all. The walk of shame (much like this season's Dany bedroom scene) took me completely out of the moment when it was so obvious that the full frontal shots were CGI. Whatever impact that should have had on me was lost. The movement of the face to the body looked so unnatural. They really just need to let this go. If an actress won't do the nude scene, the shoot some other way where it can be implied without looking so darn fake.
She was pregnant so that might have had something to do with it.
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