Someone help me remember why Jaime's lost lines are important?
I dunno...I seriously don't even know how people remember the text from books they've read years ago. Blows me away. I read ASOS last year and just remember scenes with only some repeated lines of dialogue burned into memory (like, "You know nothing, Jon Snow").
ASOS
Wasn't that way way at the end of ASOS? With Sam/Bran/etc. and the magical door and all that crap?
Interesting episode, some good stuff, but lots of exposition and not a whole lot of plot moving forward, which was a bit surprising for episode 7 out of 10 for the season.
Some random thoughts:
-Love how Michelle shoots, really loves to get the actors in wideshots, which other directors of this show have usually just used for establishing shots of scenes.
-I think the Theon stuff would be better suited with less screen time. They've had two fantastic scenes (Theon's recapture and his confession/leading back to where he was), but these two episodes back to back with brutal torture in each episode didn't really do it for me. Series
It's been established that Theon is terrified of Ramsay at this point, so I hope we don't see them until episode 10 again, where of course Ramsay will reveal himself and probably the RW and that he burned Winterfell.
-Wasn't too crazy about the Bran scene, but I pity the writers having to adapt that storyline. Series
I wonder how/when they are going to do the Osha/Rickon split?
-ASOS
Set up the Dragonglass dagger at the beginning of last week's episode and then don't do Sam the Slayer this week? Could've help balance the very high amount of exposition this week. I guess "Sam and Gilly meet an older gentleman" for next week's synopsis might not even mean Coldhands and many have assumed, but just the Walker, and then possibly all the Wights and Coldhands/The Wall will take place in Ep 10.
-ASOS
Um Blackfish? I guess he turns back to Riverrun at some point? Or maybe he attends the RW, but escapes somehow?
-Dany's scenes were great.
-Jon/Ygrette scene near the windmill was great, also Tormund was awesome.
I enjoyed the ep, but yeah it raised some questions I guess.
Coldhands saves Sam and Gilly at the Wildling village with the giant Weirwood when a bunch of Wights show up (many of them brothers of the Night's Watch). Then he takes them to the wall, and they meet Bran and Co and go their separate ways through the gate. I assume that'll be the end of the season for those characters. I think it happens pretty late in the book, but it seems like such a naturally effective conclusion to their arcs as a TV season.
I didn't care for the Theon stuff this time. I knew he was gelded in ADwD, that's not the issue, I just think they're moving too fast with his storyline, and the nudity seemed kinda gratuitous. I also didn't really care about Osha's rant, but I guess it's not really crucial to the plot... TV-Osha is so different that she might as well be a new character, anyway.
Finally, we got jolly Tormund! <3 And the dragons looked awesome.
Obviously Talisa being pregnant [ASoS]
means nothing. She'll die at RW. They only added that bit to make the RW more tragic, that's all. Jeyne Westerling survived, but she wasn't pregnant, so the end result will be the same. There is no secret Stark heir. I just wonder if that means we'll lose Robb's will and his idea to legitimize Jon Snow, though...
I do wonder though what specific scenes were actually written by GRRM. We know they end up shuffling scenes around so that certain episodes can have scenes from other writers who aren't necessarily credited.
from what I remember Jamie actually kills the bear in the book one handed. I have no clue why they took that out if it happened. Can anybody remember of he did kill the bear? For some reason I remember him doing that.
As for the show didn't Brienne help him? He can still use his stump. He just had his elbow around the post I assume.
I liked the episode, but the bear scene, while still cool, was kinda disappointing, I'm sad all the best dialogue from that scene were removed or altered.
"You want her? Go get her." So he did.
Brienne, astonished: "Kingslayer?"
"Jaime."
Vargo Hoat: "You thlew my bear!"
Steelshanks: "And I’ll serve you the same if you give me trouble. We’re taking the wench."
Jaime: "Her name is Brienne. Brienne, the maid of Tarth. You are still maiden, I hope?"
Brienne (reddening): "...Yes..."
Jaime: "Oh, good. I only rescue maidens."
"Jaime sends his regards" will make viewers think he was involved with the RW and may spoil his turn to a "good guy" for them. I can see why they changed it to "The Lannisters send their regards".
It means a line that doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things but is awesome to hear. [...]
I love lines like that from Jaime. It's lines like those that made me like him long before I should have.
"Jaime sends his regards" will make viewers think he was involved with the RW and may spoil his turn to a "good guy" for them. I can see why they changed it to "The Lannisters send their regards".
I don't see how anything that happens this week precludes that. They will show the line from this week in the "previously on" segment, and then the same line from the book could be uttered verbatim during the episode without issue.
I don't see how anything that happens this week precludes that. They will show the line from this week in the "previously on" segment, and then the same line from the book could be uttered verbatim during the episode without issue.
Implication is that Jaime wouldn't say "The Lannisters" if Roose wasn't going to say "The Lannisters send their regards". He would have just said "Send Robb Stark my regards" like the book
Implication is that Jaime wouldn't say "The Lannisters" if Roose wasn't going to say "The Lannisters". He would have just said "Send Robb Stark my regards" like the book
I disagree completely. He could just as easily say either one.
Or if he was a real pedant, he could say, "Jaime Lannister told me to tell you that the Lannisters send their regards," which is a real roundabout way of saying "Jaime Lannister sends his regards."
They're all assuming that Theon's torture "goes nowhere". I'd love to just tell them to stop assuming this is all for nothing and that of course there's a reason for all of this, but that'd probably not be acceptable. Still it's annoying to see them assume that something "goes nowhere" when the season isn't even over, let alone the TV series.
I didn't care for the Theon stuff this time. I knew he was gelded in ADwD, that's not the issue, I just think they're moving too fast with his storyline, and the nudity seemed kinda gratuitous. I also didn't really care about Osha's rant, but I guess it's not really crucial to the plot... TV-Osha is so different that she might as well be a new character, anyway.
They're all assuming that Theon's torture "goes nowhere". I'd love to just tell them to stop assuming this is all for nothing and that of course there's a reason for all of this, but that'd probably not be acceptable. Still it's annoying to see them assume that something "goes nowhere" when the season isn't even over, let alone the TV series.
I bet a lot of people who haven't read the books are going to conclude that Jaime's "regards" line meas he's aware of the Red Wedding plans. They'll think Bolton told him off camera or something. And there will be a lot of debate and theorycraftng.
Man that is the perfect picture of Jon Snow in the post above.
Okay I'm pretty hyped for that one.
- Sam the Slayer anyone?? And he'll probably meet Coldhands too. Unless the "older gentleman" is just the White Walker, lol.
- Tyrion's wedding? And also, he's drawing Joffrey's ire, possibly after making a threat. Seeds planted for the purple wedding and Tyrion's trial!
- I think we'll see the leeches! Davos will surely interfere to not sacrifice Gendry, so they'll go with the leeches instead.
- Some fun Arya and Hound times. It looks like they'll show Arya try to kill him. She never explicitly tried in the book, but it's about time they've made her tougher, so I'm ok with that.
Yup. I was impressed they managed to combine pointless porn and pointless torture porn into one long scene of awfulness. It isn't like there was any tension there about it not being a trick.
No it's not. It shows Theon's complete breakdown. Should it be shown so much? Maybe, maybe not. I think they're going too fast and showing a bit too much, aye. But they're saying this whole arc is "going nowhere", and of course it is going somewhere.
Next time on Game of Thrones: Theon sees a dollar bill on the ground. He reaches down to grab it but it is shockingly yanked away on a string at the last moment. And then his nipple gets cut off.
Next time on Game of Thrones: Theon sees a dollar bill on the ground. He reaches down to grab it but it is shockingly yanked away on a string at the last moment. And then his nipple gets cut off.
Next time on Game of Thrones: Theon sees a dollar bill on the ground. He reaches down to grab it but it is shockingly yanked away on a string at the last moment. And then his nipple gets cut off.
Yeah, that Theon scene was ridiculous. It was way too long and was filled with gratuitous nudity. I'd also like to see less physical torture and more psychological stuff.
Yeah, that Theon scene was ridiculous. It was way too long and was filled with gratuitous nudity. I'd also like to see less physical torture and more psychological stuff.
Yeah, that Theon scene was ridiculous. It was way too long and was filled with gratuitous nudity. I'd also like to see less physical torture and more psychological stuff.
There was a bit of psychological torture. You could see how fearful he was at first, then he let his guard down a bit and then BAM his penis is chopped off
Just reread TRW, and yeah, I can see it ending on Arya, but to effectively convey all that chaos would take too long. I see it as a better start to the next episode prior to the song.
It's also very vague about who killed Robb. Will the show make it more apparent?
Just reread TRW, and yeah, I can see it ending on Arya, but to effectively convey all that chaos would take too long. I see it as a better start to the next episode prior to the song.
It's also very vague about who killed Robb. Will the show make it more apparent?
It's not vague at all. The man is not outright named, but he is wearing Bolton colours and says "Jaime Lannister sends his regards." Who did Jaime tell to send his regards to Robb Stark to?
- Some fun Arya and Hound times. It looks like they'll show Arya try to kill him. She never explicitly tried in the book, but it's about time they've made her tougher, so I'm ok with that.
It's not vague at all. The man is outright named, but he is wearing Bolton colours and says "Jaime Lannister sends his regards." Who did Jaime tell to send his regards to Robb Stark to?
His garb is also word for word what Roose Bolton himself (not just the sigil but his weird fetish pink cloak) is usually wearing. It's Roose, it's not a mystery.
Yes. Yes I do. If not him, someone in his service.
all spies use code. Using a language unknown in the North is similar to the US using Native American/First Nations languages in WWII. They've combined all the Westerlings. She's the bride, the one that dies at the RW and the Lannister loyalist parents all wrapped into one character.
There was a bit of psychological torture. You could see how fearful he was at first, then he let his guard down a bit and then BAM his penis is chopped off