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Game of Thrones *Tagged Book Spoilers, Please Read OP* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO
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SquiddyCracker
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You guys just wait until the show overtakes the books, and the show writes turn Podrick into the Game of Thrones:
Tears will come.
Tears will come.
You guys just wait until the show overtakes the books, and the show writes turn Podrick into the Game of Thrones:
Tears will come.
Series, since I can't remember which book
I'm pretty sure the "Pod with the God Rod" stuff is just to make him a more memorable character before he dies. As an added bonus, they may use it to show that Tywin paid off all the brothels to not take money from Tyrion
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wait, I just checked a wiki and he isn't dead? Why did I think he died?
maybe making him more memorable before he ends up squiring Brienne
maybe making him more memorable before he ends up squiring Brienne
Chuck Norris
Banned
I really hope that they start to flesh out the characters and settings of Slavers Bay. It feels really rushed together compared to Westeros, whereas they should be giving it a ton of attention considering it will likely be carrying the story in a few seasons. They really need to give it the same level of depth. Leaving out characters like Belwas and changing Xoan were bad decisions IMO. And all of the enemies feel like faceless, expendable people much like the vague and nameless "rulers of Qarth".
I thought that's how they felt in the books too, until
They started calling her Mother
Gen.Grievous
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lol what?
I don't even get how people can come to that conclusion. Sansa did not betray Ned. Ned betrayed Ned.
Enosh
Member
she is stupid and annoying as fuck and I hate her
Enosh
Member
just general spoilers, series some TV speculation stuff
I really fail to see how her writing a letter means she is a spy, did I miss something there?
1. write letter
2. ???
3. you are a spy
what am i missing for step 2?
also bear scene was disappointing, doesn't he kill the bear in the books?
am I bad for wanting Margaery to "teach" Sansa ^^
1. write letter
2. ???
3. you are a spy
what am i missing for step 2?
also bear scene was disappointing, doesn't he kill the bear in the books?
am I bad for wanting Margaery to "teach" Sansa ^^
David Incorporated Esq.
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I was just wondering about Tormund Giantsbane [book difference]
Doesn't he stay north of the wall during Jon's adventure south? How is he going to make it to the other side? Will he be held prisoner until Mance comes to the wall? Am I misremembering things completely?
You remember correctly.
Watch this youtube video for series spoilery speculation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsTVnZm9hFg
I'm still not sure if I buy it personally.
Memento Mori
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SOS-
If Robb thinks his wife is pregnant, is he still going to legitimize Jon and make him his heir?
David Incorporated Esq.
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Pretty sure he knew she was pregnant in the books as well. I think he just wanted to make sure there was someone capable of ruling immediately.
Memento Mori
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SOS-
He named Jon heir in the books because she couldn't get pregnant. Her mother was surreptitiously giving her moon tea.
Glad i already read all the books because some people here are really bad with their spoiler tags. They spoiler the important stuff but write things before and after the tags which make it clear what is going to happen. But then again you should avoid spoiler thread in the first place if you are not finished with the books yet 
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.bodyofanamerican
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I hate to bring this dude's member up yet again in this thread, but I don't think Theon got straight up chopped. There was too much going on with that knife (it looked like a fucking shark's tooth or something) for him to just strike it off. Plus with the guy saying how he's just going to make some "alterations", ugh.
Yes, let's leave Theon off screen till episode 9 or 10 please.
Yes, let's leave Theon off screen till episode 9 or 10 please.
David Incorporated Esq.
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ADWD?
Huh, really? I could have sworn that she was pregnant later on, and her being pregnant was discussed when Jaime claims Riverrun.
blainethemono
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Ingeniero
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Well I guess another unconfirmed event in the books is already confirmed in the series :/
Well this one was very likely tho...
ADWD
I didn't like this episode very much, I really hate the love scenes with Jon and Ygritte... damn I skip those scenes in my rewatch...
Well this one was very likely tho...
ADWD
Theon has no dick... I wonder if this means that he can't participate in the kingsmoot since he can't have an heir?
I didn't like this episode very much, I really hate the love scenes with Jon and Ygritte... damn I skip those scenes in my rewatch...
DragonSworne
Banned
I think Theon only got flayed down below. It would fit the theme of the torturing that has been taking place. Maybe he had a circumision?
ASOS
Did Robb give any indication that he was naming Jon his heir because his wife couldn't get pregnant?
Lame! HBO this isn't right.
bodyofanamerican
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Oh, it's absolutely necessary in this case though!
I can see how it would be.
I can still see them naming Jon his heir. When he learns of Sansa's nuptuals before arriving at the Twins he could disinherit her and name Jon his heir until such a time that a son his born to him. Or name him the acting regent until his child comes of age
Pai Pai Master
Banned
God dammit
dat oona
dat oona
Regarding Theon's torture: They haven't even really shown anything too horrendous, just merely suggested it, [series]
. A friend of mine says she can't take these scenes because they set her off like a gory horror movie, which I find baffling since they've not shown very much physical damage on-screen (other than a finger being pricked a few times). It's hardly gruesome, even if you have a low tolerance.
In general people seem so impatient with Theon's storyline... I dont think it's meant to be digested as some grand plotline right now either, more like a windowed update. I find it pretty interesting and I'm intrigued by the way the show is teasing the mystery of the figure. I get it, since it treats things as though the audience is being tortured with the lack of information as well. I guess I can understand why some find it a little bit frustrating but it comes off as incredibly pouty when the reaction is "I want answers now!" I know in reality it's not this reductive for most people but I can't help but think that the luxury of marathoning shows in this day and age has made everyone unable to take each episode as a block to a greater whole.
On the other hand, I do find the show creators haven't been able to pull off certain season-long threads as well as I'd like, so maybe there is reason to complain/worry. On the other hand of that, I also don't think that's what people are bitching about.
Don't mind me while I sit here and debate myself...
all of which I thought might be depicted much more explicitly and graphically than it has been
In general people seem so impatient with Theon's storyline... I dont think it's meant to be digested as some grand plotline right now either, more like a windowed update. I find it pretty interesting and I'm intrigued by the way the show is teasing the mystery of the figure. I get it, since it treats things as though the audience is being tortured with the lack of information as well. I guess I can understand why some find it a little bit frustrating but it comes off as incredibly pouty when the reaction is "I want answers now!" I know in reality it's not this reductive for most people but I can't help but think that the luxury of marathoning shows in this day and age has made everyone unable to take each episode as a block to a greater whole.
On the other hand, I do find the show creators haven't been able to pull off certain season-long threads as well as I'd like, so maybe there is reason to complain/worry. On the other hand of that, I also don't think that's what people are bitching about.
Don't mind me while I sit here and debate myself...
David Incorporated Esq.
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I have a feeling they're going to do Theon scenes until [SERIES]
"Reek... Reek... it rhymes with meek". At that point his character arc is finished until he resurfaces at Winterfell with the Boltons. Showing him being utterly broken would be a good cliffhanger to leave him out of the show for a bit.
Well, not his penis but his balls -- they showed that knife since it's specifically used for castration. They turned him into Varys.
I think they did a great job with the scene and I disagree about the bear looking playful. Seemed pretty fucking pissed off to me. Beyond that, unless they used extensive CGI there is only so much they can do with a real animal. That bear has probably been trained to as non-violent as they can train a bear to be for his entire life.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
To be fair, it is pretty gruesome. They didn't just show fingers being pricked, they showed the skin being pulled away in graphic detail. ADWD
It's hard to watch...but people are complaining way too much. It's not supposed to be comforting. It's not supposed to be like seeing a villain getting their due. You're supposed to be uncomfortable and conflicted about Theon going through this.
Series-ish
Granted, I don't think they will continue much longer with the physical part of the torture. If last night's episode wasn't it, I think we will soon see the last of the man known as Theon Greyjoy.
It's hard to watch...but people are complaining way too much. It's not supposed to be comforting. It's not supposed to be like seeing a villain getting their due. You're supposed to be uncomfortable and conflicted about Theon going through this.
Series-ish
Lots of people in both threads seem to feel like any plot point that comes up needs to be introduced and resolved in a matter of 1 or 2 episodes. That's not going to be the case with a lot of the story threads they are in the process of setting up....
Cornballer
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Something of a transitional episode this week where they had to set a few things up for down the line rather than hitting some major moments. Still, I enjoyed this one and I liked the direction from Michelle MacLaren - particularly a lot of the framing on the shots.
bodyofanamerican
Member
I think it's just the repetitive nature of those scenes that are pissing show-watchers off. Yeah, us book folks know it leads somewhere, but even *with* that reveal, I wonder if it's gonna have any sort of impact on the show-only folks. "Wait...he's who? And he did what?" etc.
Cornballer
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I could oversee the bear not feeling threatening but with this whole scene we lost:
Book:
Jaime dreaming about being in an endless dark with evil nearby. And the only person there to aid him is Brienne standing back to back with him.
He wakes up from this dream and convinces the party to go back to Harrenhall.
Getting there and seeing Brienne Vargo/Locke sais: "You want her? Go get her" Jaime: "Oh good, I only rescue maidens." He jumps in. The guards escorting him shoots the bear dead in the last minute. As they are riding to King's landing, Brienne asks Jaime why he came back. He answers: "I dreamed of you."
He wakes up from this dream and convinces the party to go back to Harrenhall.
Getting there and seeing Brienne Vargo/Locke sais: "You want her? Go get her" Jaime: "Oh good, I only rescue maidens." He jumps in. The guards escorting him shoots the bear dead in the last minute. As they are riding to King's landing, Brienne asks Jaime why he came back. He answers: "I dreamed of you."
The book already had the perfect episode ending punch. God damnit George R.R Martin. Butchering your own work.
UnluckyKate
Member
Never saw that before today's ep. The way she wrote that letter is very Dangerious Liasons-ish. Soooo suspicious. I came to ask, I found you. tehehehe
People like to see progression in TV shows with arcs like GoT, it was the same with the Walking Dead season 2, we got that they were happy and safe on the barn, we didn't need to watch every single thing that happened there, we just wanted to skip ahead to the next development in the story.
We get what's going on with Theon, we've seen enough now to know what's happening to him while we aren't watching, just get us back involved when something changes. Same deal with Jon Snow, he had near identical conversations in this episode to the last one.
When you spend 10 seconds showing a character getting kidnapped and then waste 2 minutes re-iterating plot points everyone understood last week I think it's kinda understandable to be impatient with the show. It's not a book you are sitting down with getting lost in the world for hours at a time, it's a TV show giving you a 60 minute window each week, it's pretty natural to want to see as much development as possible.
Jibbajabbawockky
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I liked the episode. It wasn't the best but it did have a lot of character moments and character interactions that made certain characters much more lively and likeable. Tormund acting like Tormund from the books and Jon and Ygritte's scenes were really good for once. HARHAR!
Dany's scene was actually solid too. I'm actually kind of shocked at how much I've been enjoying Dany's material this year. Its probably been some of the more engaging material since it actually feels like she is going places and doing things.
Thats a huge problem I have with some of the other plotlines right now, if only from a visual, geographic point of view- I can't make sense of where anyone is or where they're headed. So with certain characters they just seem like they're basically sitting in place, spinning their wheels. With Dany, she has started out in Astapor, gotten an army and now is moving north to Yunkai. And you get a solid sense of movement from her with the changes in locations and seeing the big pulled out shots of leaving Astapor or the establishing shot of Yunkai this episode. Whereas you look at Bran's journey and while the locations all look very pretty, I need some landmarks or some greater sense of unified geography. Its my problem with so much of the stuff in the North is that it all looks the same. Like Jaime leaving Harrenhal- that area looked almost the same as the area Bran was just in, yet Harrenhal is down south.
The Theon scenes... eh. I get what they're doing and the horn interuption was great but I'm kind of bored with them. Its a problem the show keeps having where they get infatuated with a decent idea and then ram it into the ground. You had it last year with Tywin and Arya's scenes and Jon and Ygritte's scenes. They were good for a little bit but they ended up being run into the ground. And I disliked how those prostitutes/ladies just sort of stood there smiling as Theon was mutilated. [ASoS/Series]
I feel like they could have done more with Theon's storyline this season besides being chained and tortured in one spot for episodes on end. [ASoS]
And that sort of thing is especially frustrating when you have a big scene like the Bear Pit that could have used more setup and more of the really good book derived dialogue that we had earlier in the episode from the likes of Jon/Ygritte. It wasn't terrible by any means but its the show missing out on the little touches like Renly eating a peach or some of the details leading up to the Bear Pit ([ASoS Spoilers]
that make it a little annoying at times. Its that sort of stuff that if you trimmed back a couple minutes of completely fan service nudity or repetitive Theon torture scenes, you could totally flesh out the more impressive moments from the books with more dialogue to add some flavor, like the omitted stuff from the bear pit. That's why I'm sick of Theon's material- its not that I dislike it but I dislike it when you have so much other stuff you could be shooting in its place.
As for some of the speculation regarding [ASoS/ TV speculation]
Dany's scene was actually solid too. I'm actually kind of shocked at how much I've been enjoying Dany's material this year. Its probably been some of the more engaging material since it actually feels like she is going places and doing things.
Thats a huge problem I have with some of the other plotlines right now, if only from a visual, geographic point of view- I can't make sense of where anyone is or where they're headed. So with certain characters they just seem like they're basically sitting in place, spinning their wheels. With Dany, she has started out in Astapor, gotten an army and now is moving north to Yunkai. And you get a solid sense of movement from her with the changes in locations and seeing the big pulled out shots of leaving Astapor or the establishing shot of Yunkai this episode. Whereas you look at Bran's journey and while the locations all look very pretty, I need some landmarks or some greater sense of unified geography. Its my problem with so much of the stuff in the North is that it all looks the same. Like Jaime leaving Harrenhal- that area looked almost the same as the area Bran was just in, yet Harrenhal is down south.
The Theon scenes... eh. I get what they're doing and the horn interuption was great but I'm kind of bored with them. Its a problem the show keeps having where they get infatuated with a decent idea and then ram it into the ground. You had it last year with Tywin and Arya's scenes and Jon and Ygritte's scenes. They were good for a little bit but they ended up being run into the ground. And I disliked how those prostitutes/ladies just sort of stood there smiling as Theon was mutilated. [ASoS/Series]
Doesn't Ramsay have a penchant for hunting down and brutally murdering ladies? Like, I didn't get why those ladies were smiling as Theon had his cock and balls mutilated unless they were as fucked up in the head as Ramsay, which would take away from how screwed up Ramsay is. I always got the impression that nobody really liked Ramsay and that even amongst Bolton men, they saw Ramsay as being batshit insane.
Like setting up Theon's escape attempt a little more, have "Reek" established along with it or maybe Kyra too. Make it so his storyline isn't just him strapped to the Bolton cross thing every episode.
Brienne having ripped off Vargo's ear; "You want her? Go get her"; "Oh good, I only rescue maidens."
As for some of the speculation regarding [ASoS/ TV speculation]
Talisa being a spy... yeah, I REALLY hope they don't go down that road. The RW comes down to nailing some of the little details. I'm already wondering whether they alter "Jaime Lannister sends his regards" and we likely won't have other moments like the Smalljon going out like a badass. And who knows whether they'll keep Jinglebell in there. I'm ok with the show making some changes here and there for adaptation purposes but for the big moments like the RW, they have nail those. I don't want to have some stupid reveal that Talisa is a spy or anything like that to shit up the RW. That's not needed at all and would just muddy the waters of that scene. Seriously... I'll be pretty pissed if they have Talisa just a spy. I think I would lose all my faith in the showrunners at that point.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Pai Pai Master
Banned
It's only natural. Plus last season most of the damn budget went to the Blackwater episode.
I dunno, I'm not seeing how it's repetitive or unnecessary. Did viewers last week know that Theon Greyjoy, Balon Greyjoy's last remaining son was going to be castrated? Something changed right there, that's huge for the character and it would have been pretty weak to just mention it in passing.
ASOS/ADWD
It is starting to drag that the viewer doesn't yet know who is holding Theon captive yet, but they can't make that reveal until after Episode 9 or it could spoil everything. There are only 3 episodes left in the season and they may not show Theon again after these last few. They need to develop this properly so there is weight to the reveal when he shows up again as Reek. People need to be aware what he went through, there's no internal view into the character's memories like in a book. Viewers don't know just how much was done to him physically and mentally.
They continue to handle Theon's story in the show a lot better than in the book, IMO despite the changes to how he has ended up in this situation.
David Incorporated Esq.
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They're growing up, too, so they take up more of the screen and have more detail to their bodies.
User 100115
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I hope someone gif's Dany's subtle as hell eyeroll during her scene with the slave lord. When he mentioned something about the 'horrors' she had caused in Aspator, her face is priceless.
Eh? Why?
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