fallengorn
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That was a great scene. Tywin does what Cerseidon't.
For all the book reading whining we do, the show does have some great scenes/interactions we never got in the series.
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For all the book reading whining we do, the show does have some great scenes/interactions we never got in the series.
Morrigan Stark
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Something that just occurred to me. [ASoS]
What will happen to Jaime now? He only returns to King's Landing after Joffrey dies, but we know that won't be until well into season 4. Will they make him arrive early and possibly interact with Joffrey (not sure I'd like that.... I want his desperate desire for Cersei, whom he's finally reunited with, to overcome his sense as he fucks her on the altar of Joffrey's coffin... xD yeah I know it's creepy but it's a powerful and meaningful scene IMO), or will NCW not do much for a while? Or will they invent zany adventures with Brienne on the Kingsroad? (Hell, I'd watch that. XD) In the book, there are no Jaime chapters between the bear pit scene, and his return to King's Landing after Joffrey's dead. The RW and Joff's wedding both happen between these two Jaime chapters. Wonder what they'll do with him...
Good observation, hadn't connected the staging of the two scenes, but it's an obvious comparison of the two.
ASOS/Season 4 Speculation
GRRM is writing episode 2 of Season 4. I was under the impression that would be Joffrey's wedding.
Morrigan Stark
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Interesting. That soon? They need to introduce the Martells and have Oberyn come to court, too, all before Jaime returns to KL.
Oh yeah...I didn't realize/remember that.
ASoS
I guess it doesn't really hurt anything if he does arrive before Joff's death though? I don't know how it would hurt anything if it does happen that way. Maybe they will include a scene with the two together...
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
ASOS
Easy, they just make him arrive at King's Landing before wedding. The change is immaterial and/or easily written around.
If I had to speculate, he'll reach King's Landing at the end of the season and Brienne will get locked up thanks to Loras, so she ends the season in a dungeon as a bit of a cliffhanger. Whether he attends the wedding or not in Season 4, I'm not sure. I'm not sure I recall enough to say what it would change, either.
If I had to speculate, he'll reach King's Landing at the end of the season and Brienne will get locked up thanks to Loras, so she ends the season in a dungeon as a bit of a cliffhanger. Whether he attends the wedding or not in Season 4, I'm not sure. I'm not sure I recall enough to say what it would change, either.
It is a gay character being portrayed as promiscuous. What an original and brave choice the show made. Want House Tyrrell secrets? Lure Loras with some casual cock!
I'm also in awe that they came up with the idea to have the only gay character in the show monologue about fashion in a campy way! Truly the writers are breaking new ground with on-screen portrayals of gay characters.
The books choice to be subtle and portray Loras first and foremost as a great knight and LOYAL seems regressive in comparison. Why have a character who just happens to be gay when you can make his homosexuality the centerpiece of his entire characterization?
Liquidsnake
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Agreed, and I was not sure if he was going to turn around and say your grace before leaving.
Perhaps if he spent more time with Joff, he would have turned out to be a better King.
neoism
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awesome thanks
Last Hearth
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No, it's kind of crucial that
Jaime gets there after the PW, because if he were present he'd never allow Tyrion to basically get railroaded.
I'm pretty sure the only reason Arya and Sansa didn't escape the city was because Sansa told Cersei of her father's plans for them to return to Winterfell. While Ned pretty much sealed his fate before this, I would call telling an enemy of your family about your family's plans a betrayal.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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So what are they going to have Jaime/Brienne do in that time frame? There's 3 episodes left in the season and the PW likely won't happen well into the 4th season.
You're projecting. This show is filled with characters sleeping around but a gay guy has one casual encounter after his boyfriend dies and you're throwing a fit.
ETA: If he starts banging a pile of dudes I'll be right there with you complaining about. But we aren't there yet.
Last Hearth
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PW will happen probably by Ep 2 next year, there are plenty of other plot threads to keep the viewer's attention between now and then.
The only point is that book Loras would never do that. He wouldn't leak Tyrell secrets and he wouldn't fuck some stranger while grieving for Renly. I needed an example of character assassination and he came to mind.
I like show Loras. But he's not book Loras.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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It also really doesn't help that Loras' actor is one of the worst in the show.
They can solve it by just not showing them.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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Yup, don't show two important (POV) characters for several episodes.
It's a legitimate question.
I think this is a good shout. People seem to think the [ADWD]
Ramsay reveal is going to happen at the Red Wedding. How good would it be if he turns up and says he's been torturing Theon and has got him to admit that Bran and Rickon are alive. Then, we spend the rest of the episode thinking that this torturer, although malicious, is on the Stark's side, and we see a celebration in full swing with a happy Catelyn. And then, well, shit goes down...
ASoS
Look what they do with Bran. Just the occasional campfire clip. I see something similar used here. Or an inn scene. They can show characters without progressing the story.
So what big events are left in this season then?
ASoS
ASoS
I imagine Sansa/Tyrion and Sam killing the white walker will be this next episode (correct me if I'm wrong)? RW will be pretty much the entire 9th episode? And then the tenth episode will be Ygritte's death/Sansa escaping with Littlefinger/Coldhands intro/Jorah being dismissed/Lady Stoneheart?
Or will they keep Sansa around King's Landing until Joff's wedding?
Or will they keep Sansa around King's Landing until Joff's wedding?
John Dunbar
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[ADWD]
Part of the tragedy, and what makes Catelyn Stoneheart, is her thinking all her children are dead except for Sansa, who is married to Lannisters. I don't see how knowing Bran and Rickon are alive could be a bad thing for her.
ASoS
I think we see Queenscrown but not the attack on Castle Black from the South. So the big event will be Jon escaping and making it to Castle Black with help of Bran. I think the Osha complaining scene was to set up the Rikkon/Bran split. Jorah won't be set off yet. He has to help take Mereen, which will be next year. Sansa will leave next year too, during the PW. I bet they reintroduce Dontos as well.
ASOS
Why have Sansa leave before the wedding? The fact that she is there and then disappears is one of the reasons she becomes a chief suspect.
I feel like they could possibly lump the attacks on Castle Black all into one event rather than separating the first attack within Castle Black and the one outside the wall with Mance. I just don't see them handling another huge battle on that scale for very long.
Yeah you are right. It just seems like they have been planting the seeds for a while now, and I felt like there might be a payoff soon there. Wouldn't make much sense if they sent her before the wedding.
DrForester
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I still think the first small skirmish at Castle Black where Ygritte was killed might be skipped altogether. They could just have Jon and Summer kill the dozen or so wildlings at Queenscrown (they could even slip in Ghost to the fight as well), and then have Jon race back to Castle Black just in time to warn them of Mance's attack and to prepare for the battle. How they do that will be important for me. People complain abotu how they've handled Jon, but I really don't think the character was all that interesting before he stepped up as a leader in defense of the Wall. I liked the stuff before they left the wall initially, with him struggling against his desire to join Robb, but that was about it.
Sure, they could. But it won't come until much later in the 4th season then. Remember, ASoS
Stannis has to be able to get there. Right now he is nowhere close.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
When she told cersei about neds plans it was maybe 30% she thought she was saving her father, 70% she didnt want her wedding plans with joffrey ruined. Shes just a terrible person like her mother. Even in the book Im finding it very hard to feel sorry for the character.
ADWD
I hope arya assassinates her or something
Yeah. My mind starts to hurt when I try to figure out how they are gonna manage those timelines.
I mean, we still have to wait for Melisandre to return to Dragonstone before they can even leave for the wall. So something has to happen fairly quick with this whole Gendry thing. It definitely seems like it would benefit them to have multiple attacks on the wall (ie multiple days), but knowing this show I see them just building up to another big battle for the end of season four. So I suppose there is plenty of time to work with in getting Stannis over there.
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DrForester
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Morrigan Stark
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I disagree. It can be written around, but not easily. (See below)
[ASoS]
The Lord Commander of the Kingsguard is in King's Landing, but is not present at the king's wedding? That makes no sense.
Not only is Last Hearth correct and it impacts Jaime and Tyrion's relationship, but there's a rather significant plot point about Jaime belittling his fellow Kingsguard members for letting Joffrey die. If Jaime is present and the king dies, then he's equally to blame. Maybe they'll cut that angle out completely, but I think it'd be a shame because it establishes his authority as Lord Commander, and his relationship with the other Kingsguards, quite strongly.
So as Last Hearth said, an important aspect of Jaime not being around is that Tyrion has no witnesses to stand for him at his trial. Jaime would never testify against Tyrion and would even testify in his favour. I just don't see how they could write this without it being all wrong and awkward. I just don't like it.
Eh. Maybe he will testify in favour of Tyrion and that's what will drive a wedge between Jaime and Cersei, instead of them just discussing that in the White Tower? I don't like it much, but I can't think of anything better at the moment. That said there's the issue of Jaime refusing Tywin's desire to leave the Kinsguard and become his heir, too.
I'd prefer if we didn't see Jaime (or if they used the sitting-around-a-campfire route à la Bran/Osha xD) for a few episodes, than mangle this story too much. Maybe they'll find a clever solution, but I can't think of one that I like right now.
Not only is Last Hearth correct and it impacts Jaime and Tyrion's relationship, but there's a rather significant plot point about Jaime belittling his fellow Kingsguard members for letting Joffrey die. If Jaime is present and the king dies, then he's equally to blame. Maybe they'll cut that angle out completely, but I think it'd be a shame because it establishes his authority as Lord Commander, and his relationship with the other Kingsguards, quite strongly.
So as Last Hearth said, an important aspect of Jaime not being around is that Tyrion has no witnesses to stand for him at his trial. Jaime would never testify against Tyrion and would even testify in his favour. I just don't see how they could write this without it being all wrong and awkward. I just don't like it.
Eh. Maybe he will testify in favour of Tyrion and that's what will drive a wedge between Jaime and Cersei, instead of them just discussing that in the White Tower? I don't like it much, but I can't think of anything better at the moment. That said there's the issue of Jaime refusing Tywin's desire to leave the Kinsguard and become his heir, too.
I'd prefer if we didn't see Jaime (or if they used the sitting-around-a-campfire route à la Bran/Osha xD) for a few episodes, than mangle this story too much. Maybe they'll find a clever solution, but I can't think of one that I like right now.
Yeah.
I would also like to see the big battle at the wall bleed into two episodes so it can capture the size and weight of it all.
DrForester
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But wait..
Series
Jamie IS in King's Landing for the Trial, isn't he? He gets back right after Joffreys death and him in Cersei have one last fuck in front of his corpse.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You're applying book rules to a TV show wherein the book rules don't necessarily exist. None of those have to occur.
Series
a couple (more) campfire scenes with Qyburn are probably needed to solidify him as a significant character in future seasons as well
Morrigan Stark
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You're right, he is. But he stands at the back of the room and no one knows he's there. It works because he wasn't present at the assassination so it's not like he can testify. If he was, it'd be very different.
ASOS
Yep. It's one of the things that I always thought was weird. Jaime is present throughout Tyrion's trial and never once sees or speaks for him until the night before his execution. It made me really think Jaime didn't care about him.
Morrigan Stark
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Well, of course they can change everything and ditch plot points and character developments. That doesn't mean I have to like it.
Morrigan Stark
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He did care, but what could he do? He believed Tyrion was innocent and even tried to convince Cersei of that, but it only angered her. He told Brienne and others as much too, though no one thought he was right. He couldn't testify at the trial because he wasn't around when the assassination happened.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Well, of course they can change everything and ditch plot points and character developments. That doesn't mean I have to like it.
That's kind of my point. Its far more likely that they simply throw out the parts you're assuming are crucial than
they decide to simply make Jaime do nothing for the next 5 episodes covering 2 seasons. There simply isn't anything else Jaime has to do in between now and then that isn't straight up filler content.
ASOS
I think the fact that he never once went to see him is what I thought was really strange.
so Jon kills all the important wildlings apart from Mance, Ghost jumps over the wall to get to Jon? Kills Ygritte himself? How does that make sense?
fallengorn
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I would pay good money to see that.
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