It's not revisionist. Stannis is an insufferable cunt in the books. Especially when ASOS/ADWD
he is an overbearing asshole "drop everything and do what I want even though your order is supposed to be neutral" King at the Wall.
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Game of Thrones *Tagged Book Spoilers, Please Read OP* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO
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AFFC
So will Asha get word of her father's death at sea and return to the Iron Islands for the Kingsmoot? I don't remember someone ever receiving news by raven out in the sea. Will she dock somewhere? This is a pretty random divergence since she is at Deepwood Motte when she receives that news.
KingHenrik30
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So Next Season:
ASOS (Second Half, MAJOR Spoilers)
ASOS (Second Half, MAJOR Spoilers)
1. Initial Wildling Raid
2. Purple Wedding
3. Oberyn VS The Mountain
4. Mance's Raid/Stannis to the Rescue
5. Tywin's Death
6. STONEHEART
Fuck, that's gonna be an awesome season. Shit on that that we need to wait this long
2. Purple Wedding
3. Oberyn VS The Mountain
4. Mance's Raid/Stannis to the Rescue
5. Tywin's Death
6. STONEHEART
Fuck, that's gonna be an awesome season. Shit on that that we need to wait this long
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
I thought Jamie returned
in the books. Does this mean they are going to stretch the story out and have episode 4.09 be
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after Joffrey's death
Joffrey's death
DrForester
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Best part of the finale is they didn't do ANYTHING with that. No hint, no nod, nothing.
Good on them.
ASOS
I doubt it. Joffrey's death was not a big thing in the books, and that was the point. He was randomly murdered at his wedding. No fanfare, no buildup, no hints. I think it will bean episode 4 thing, like Dany and the unsullied this season. I think ep. 9 will be the Mountan Vs. Viper. Ep 10 will be Tyrion's escape and Tywin's murder.
I REALLY hope there is no build up to Shae and Tywin either. Needs to come out of nowhere like in the books.
I REALLY hope there is no build up to Shae and Tywin either. Needs to come out of nowhere like in the books.
Frank the Great
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hey anyone want to help a non-book reader: did this season cover the entirety of book 3, or just half of it?
i'm afraid of looking up the answer myself for fear of stumbling upon a spoiler.
i'm afraid of looking up the answer myself for fear of stumbling upon a spoiler.
Exterminieren
Banned
Yara's new plotline excites me, because that's a whole raft of plot just ripped up and replaced with something else. It's different in a way we haven't seen before, and I can't really call what's going to happen with it.
Also, they've got about three chapters of Bran material left in the series. I imagine they'll [series]introduce Coldhands through him[/spoiler], which should pad things somewhat, but beyond that he needs new stuff.
Also, they've got about three chapters of Bran material left in the series. I imagine they'll [series]introduce Coldhands through him[/spoiler], which should pad things somewhat, but beyond that he needs new stuff.
One half to two thirds.. Ish.
MarauderShields
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I dont see why that would mean they are going stretch it. I cant really see how they could.
I dunno, I don't see how that makes a difference with the character assassinating he's been getting.
He is an asshole, but he's not a puts-the-pussy-on-a-pedestal asshole. These changes are just shit. In the book he does what he does because he feels it's right, not because he's Melisandre's lapdog.
A good end to the season. The final scene wasn't climactic, but served as an essential counterpoint to the Red Wedding.
I don't like the way they rushed through the Dragonstone story line, and Stannis comes off once again as more evil than he is in the book, where he agonizes over the decision to sacrifice the boy, and I thought Melisandre's reaction to the letter, as if it was a revelation to her that the White Walkers are the real threat, was out of character.
Ending at the midway point of the book left the problem of how to give all the story arcs a sense of closure at the end of the season, and for the most part I think they pulled it off. I have a feeling season 4 is going to be where the show and books begin to diverge dramatically, because they are obviously inventing a new story arc for Ramsay, Theon, and Yara, and will need to expand several characters screen time, particularly Bran.
I don't like the way they rushed through the Dragonstone story line, and Stannis comes off once again as more evil than he is in the book, where he agonizes over the decision to sacrifice the boy, and I thought Melisandre's reaction to the letter, as if it was a revelation to her that the White Walkers are the real threat, was out of character.
Ending at the midway point of the book left the problem of how to give all the story arcs a sense of closure at the end of the season, and for the most part I think they pulled it off. I have a feeling season 4 is going to be where the show and books begin to diverge dramatically, because they are obviously inventing a new story arc for Ramsay, Theon, and Yara, and will need to expand several characters screen time, particularly Bran.
WyndhamPrice
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ASOS
It'll probably be either episode 4 or episode 6 of next season, like when they killed Renly or Robert in S2/S1
Yeah, this was most definitely a transition episode in ways the previous two weren't.
I'm a bit surprised they actually showed the Robb/Grey Wind scene.
And Arya. They're getting her storyline back on track.
Davos is the best. "Can you swim?" "No." "Don't fall out."
I did not like the Shae/ Varys scene. I hate TV Shae. She didn't bother me in the books but I hate her on the show.
I don't mind that they ended on the slaves and Dany. It's a bit underwhelming but I'm glad that they didn't ASOS
And Arya. They're getting her storyline back on track.
Davos is the best. "Can you swim?" "No." "Don't fall out."
I did not like the Shae/ Varys scene. I hate TV Shae. She didn't bother me in the books but I hate her on the show.
I don't mind that they ended on the slaves and Dany. It's a bit underwhelming but I'm glad that they didn't ASOS
end with Lady Stonehart.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Yes. Especially considering they used some of Tyrion's dialogue straight out of the book when talking to Joffrey at the small council- [ASoS]
the whole retort to Joffrey regarding Kings dying after being called a monster. That makes sense in the book because at that point Balon has already died.
WyndhamPrice
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I thought the scene where Jaime entered Cersei's room was really touching (obviously recognizing how twisted that all is). So much emotion with only one word uttered.
MarauderShields
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Yeah I feel the same way. I hate her.
Baron Aloha
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The reason why I think they might stretch it out is because it would follow tradition with the show and
if he dies in 4.09 then they would have to wait until 4.10 to bring Jamie back to Kings Landing which means that Jamie and Brienne would be doing fuck all for an entire season and I don't think they want to stretch that particular part out.
Incorrect.
Last Hearth
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I am very happy with this episode. FINALLY after going missing for 2 seasons book Arya has returned.
WyndhamPrice
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It would have killed the impact of the previous episode pretty much entirely.
Baron Aloha
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Loved the Arya scene by the way. Does show Arya still have needle?
Nope, terrible. Would've completely destroyed the impact and weight behind the previous episode. It's too soon.
Personally though, I hope they just cut that stupid garbage out of the show.
No. Polliver has it.
MarauderShields
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Everyone there would be doing fuck all in that scenario.
That's dumb. It will happen if the first three episodes. The aftermath still has to occur next year.
Exterminieren
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Joffrey's far, far more likely to die in the first 4 episodes of the series than he is in 4.09. They've only got to establish the Red Viper and Mace Tyrell before the Purple Wedding, whereas afterwards they have to deal with the trial, the Mountain vs. the Red Viper, Tywin's death, Jamie on the Kingsguard... way too much stuff.
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
They could be planning for the wedding and focus on all of the other characters in the show? I'm just wondering how they are going to end next season.
Tywin?
KingHenrik30
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ASOS
Stoneheart will be the last scene of next season. It will be glorious and 10x better than a reveal this season would have been
Exterminieren
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For 9 episodes? Not a hope in hell.
The PW will be a Astapor-style kicker, not an episode 9 centrepiece.
The PW will be a Astapor-style kicker, not an episode 9 centrepiece.
Yeah. They're using ADWD material with Bran and Yara at the very least.
In a way I'm glad they (ASOS)
didn't introduce Stoneheart. It might have made the finale feel a little less interesting, but I think saving the reveal for when an unsuspecting Frey is hanged is a much more powerful reveal than just seeing her wash up on a riverbank and be brought back by Beric. To pull that off properly, you need a little more time to go by, both in character and out.
KingHenrik30
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ASOS
Agreed completely. Joffreys Death - Tyrion's Trial - Trial by Combat. That's an episode for each
Exactly. Not that I like that thing, but it would definitely be better. However, can they really stretch out the last third of ASOS into a single season?
That is an excellent point. The 4th and 5th books are going to start leaking in so waiting for people to catch up will be pointless.
My only real disappointment with this episode was a lack of
Coldhands
Also...ADWD
I look forward to the adventures of Ramsay and Reek next season
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Pretty good final episode, albeit extremely crowded. The final scene was pretty weak compared to what we've had in the past. Also didn't really care for how the final Stannis scene played out.
As for the season as a whole, it was definitely an improvement over season 2 and probably about on par with season 1. Hopefully things will continue to improve next season, and given the source material it should.
As for the season as a whole, it was definitely an improvement over season 2 and probably about on par with season 1. Hopefully things will continue to improve next season, and given the source material it should.
blainethemono
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That's what i've been wondering. (ASOS/AFFC)
and when they do eventually reveal the stoneheart thing, how will they explain it? Will they just have to explain Beric giving up his life for her through some clunky ass exposition or will they show it happen earlier in the season? I'm really wondering how they're gonna deal with that stuff
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