HomerSimpson-Man
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Konami, you fucks. Erase all you want, we all know it's Kojima's last MGS game, who you fooling?
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GameSpot: Kojima to leave Konami after MGSV, power struggle, communications embargo
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Hmm yeah on second thought what you are saying seems way more reasonable and possible than a potential simple branding issue. Man wonder when Kojima will spill the beans on what happened.
They will get even better sales because of this.
bigboss370
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hope nothing in the devlopment/content of MGSV changes because of this
TheLostBigBoss
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I doubt Kojima will spill the beans himself out in the open, but considering how huge this story is, we will get leaks from people in the know and all will be revealed in time.
When you read this, isn't it possible to think that the reason for Kojma's termination is precisely because he had too much power and too much ambition, and let his game's scope get out of control? Konami doesn't want "the biggest game ever seen", they want profitable projects accomplished on time and under budget.
With the 5-6 year dev time and the massive resources devoted to an online mode that will probably not get much traction, it's possible that MGS5 has become so incredibly bloated that it's not likely to be profitable (or at the very least be a terrible expenditure in terms of opportunity cost).
Somebody higher up realizes this, tells Kojima to wrap the game up and start iterating on the series every 2-3 years. Kojima balks, then walks.
MGSV will be the very last thing I buy from Konami.
FF Seraphim
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Nothing should really change I mean the game is suppose to come out in September, right now I would suspect they are polishing up the game or finishing up end content... If something does change then this was much bigger than we thought.
HomerSimpson-Man
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Dammit, my heart.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
All the people mad at this move, but they are still gonna buy the game. Konami won.
darkwing-buck
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Kojima being able to create new IP's now is gonna be insane.
Konami may have won for MGS5 but lets see how they sell Silent Hill and MGS6 without Kojima.
This. Sony should swoop him if the company had any sense
They lack competent Japanese studios. They lost the opportunity to buy FROM. They should try getting Kojima to WWS.
Sickboy007
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I'm confident Kojima will go on to great things if he does leave, what I'm most worried about is the possibility of corporate meddling in MGSV itself.
I hope he still had the chance to push his vision through, including the taboo stuff he was talking about.
I hope he still had the chance to push his vision through, including the taboo stuff he was talking about.
FF Seraphim
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This is going to be Kojima's last MG game why wouldn't we buy it? Even if we do not like the move people still want to play his game. Now for the rest of the games that may come out that is a totally different story.
EmCeeGramr
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You're assuming that Konami is particularly interested in producing Silent Hill or MGS6 as you imagine them.
No. This is still Kojimas game. He obviously directed it and had full creative control over it.
After this though. Metal Gear is dead. Konami is dead to me.
I am SO glad I preordered my LE because with this no doubt being the last Kojima directed game I have a piece of history.
We're buying MGS5 because it's still Kojima's game. He would be disappointed if his fans boycotted the last 5 years of his work.
Afterward though, Konami means nothing to me. They know fuck all about how to handle Silent Hill on their own, and Metal Gear just isn't the same without Kojima.
They don't do DDR anymore so the only 3 franchises I've ever been interested in from Konami will be irrelevant to me after September lol.
AcademicSaucer
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Konami makes a shit ton of money outside gaming, so it makes sense that they no longer give a fuck.
Also, obligatory RIP Hudson Soft, never forget
Also, obligatory RIP Hudson Soft, never forget
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Deleted member 80556
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Of course they are, the devs are still killing themselves to serve the fans. They win regardless. If people don't buy the game they'll think "oh look, we made the right decision", if the game sells they'll think "we made good money of this, but thankfully it's over".
Might as well enjoy the game.
BUNTING1243
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Come on guys, Konami is a factory of talent right now! They'll be fine without Kojima, right? RIGHT?
Even when they win, they lose.
They've already lost 3 more sales from me, potentially 8 or so in total
But what else do they have apart from MGS? Silent Hill may not be big for them but they cant avoid MGS and the MGS audience is on consoles so they cant possibly milk MGS branding for the mobile audience surely?
Though knowing Konami's recent history I would not be surprised if they try something stupid like that.
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Deleted member 80556
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They have PES which apparently gives them more money than MGS, and that has yearly, regular releases.
I think it literally means they can't talk about this or even promote the game.
I doubt we'll see kojima much at public events promoting this.
LiquidSolid
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I didn't ask you, someone else did. I just jumped in when you mentioned a game that Kojima didn't direct.
So wait, you think Kojima's design philosophies are outdated. Based on what? The Order: 1886? Because there's no reason at all to believe MGSV will be anything other than a success, especially based on Ground Zeroes success, and THAT is what will determine where he lands. He'll probably leave Konami as soon as MGSV goes gold and will have his future plans lined up before launch.
As for ZoE, sure it's on them but what does that have to do with Kojima's name? Moving the goal posts much?
Oh and your "4-7 years to make a game" is absolute rubbish. 2010-2015 is 5 years and a big part of that was building the Fox Engine, which was intended and is currently used for multiple Konami games (PES, MGS, Silent Hills, etc.). It was well worth the investment at the time and may still be, depending on what happens at Konami in the future.
Alex_Mexico
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Are we assuming Silent Hills is no more???
Companies can make new IPs. It's time for new stuff.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
RadarScope1
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After this game comes out it's just re-releasing boxed collections of the MGS series and putting junk like Jackal and Gryruss on mobile phones for Konami.
Rambone
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A couple of things come to mind here.
*Maybe this will be a breath of fresh air for Kojima so that he can focus his efforts on something other than MGS (Sorry MGS fans), I doubt Konami will stop milking the franchise however.
*Perhaps this will let Konami focus on something other than MGS for awhile. Silent Hills was a good start but I'm ready for a few revivals of some of the other key Konami IP's that have been buried for awhile, Suikoden comes to mind (my mind). I just hope they can keep to the same standard and quality that Kojima seemed to produce.
*Kojima's freedom is a good opportunity for him to either do something on his own or get picked up by another developer so that we can get the Kojima treatment on an established or new IP exclusive to another Dev/Pub. Kojima teaming up with FromSoftware (Just a personal whimsical fantasy and example).
I don't know, doesn't seem to be the end of the world but if there was some bad beef between Kojima and Konami (which is unfortunate), hopefully moving forward something good will become of this? (Positive thinking).
Best of luck to both parties.
*Maybe this will be a breath of fresh air for Kojima so that he can focus his efforts on something other than MGS (Sorry MGS fans), I doubt Konami will stop milking the franchise however.
*Perhaps this will let Konami focus on something other than MGS for awhile. Silent Hills was a good start but I'm ready for a few revivals of some of the other key Konami IP's that have been buried for awhile, Suikoden comes to mind (my mind). I just hope they can keep to the same standard and quality that Kojima seemed to produce.
*Kojima's freedom is a good opportunity for him to either do something on his own or get picked up by another developer so that we can get the Kojima treatment on an established or new IP exclusive to another Dev/Pub. Kojima teaming up with FromSoftware (Just a personal whimsical fantasy and example).
I don't know, doesn't seem to be the end of the world but if there was some bad beef between Kojima and Konami (which is unfortunate), hopefully moving forward something good will become of this? (Positive thinking).
Best of luck to both parties.
I'd imagine they would farm out the IP to smaller, more competent developers for more cost effective development.
I wonder if this whole thing is tied to making GZ a paid demo last year? Maybe Konami is impatient and wants to see a ROI as soon as possible.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The way I see it, you are telling Konami that the market doesn't mind when they treat their developers like disposable garbage.
Really?
I tought the game have good sales only in Brazil and Japan
Alex_Mexico
Member
An HD Remaster of the PS2 game we almost got: Mystical Ninja Goemon, obviously.
I'm still fucking salty I never got that game!
akidnamededdy
Banned
Ding ding ding. It's probably this. They sold a $30 demo for this reason
Note: I think Ground Zeroes is great but let's not pretend that it isn't exactly that.
mentallyinept
Banned
Retroactively removing Kojima's name from his games is possibly the scummiest thing I have ever seen from a publisher. The man has worked on this series for damn near 30 years. It's like removing Miyamoto's name from Mario.
Absolutely disgusting.
Konami has lost me as a customer after MGSV. I might buy it used just to spite them.
Absolutely disgusting.
Konami has lost me as a customer after MGSV. I might buy it used just to spite them.
Thaumaturgic Tomato
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For what it's worth, not much I presume, Konami stock trading flat on this first day after Kojima news, and recent overall April restructuring plans. Not much to react on big picture-wise yet.
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/9766:jp
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/9766:jp
But they did it anyway and Konami has done this time and again. I'm buying this game because Kojima literally poured what he had into it.
Going back to the Phantom Pain reveal. Kojima actually looked like he was having fun again after coming off of MGS4. This seemed like a game he genuinely wanted to make.
I will buy this because this is the last story he's going to tell in this saga and I want to experience that. Once he's gone I will follow whatever project he does.
Wow did not know that. I always thought MGS is bigger though mainline MGS releases do take a while to come out. I also thought Fifa is kicking PES and that the brand is no longer relevant.
Konami has been supremely incompetent in the recent past so my confidence in them coming up with a new big AAA IP with similar success like MGS is minimal.
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