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Gary Sheffield says Bary Bonds introduced him to steroids & treated him like a child!
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Well, my man isn't around so I'll paraphrase the story as best I can.
Dean Malenko is working out at a gym somewhere in SoCal, and Barry Bonds happens to be working out there also. Bonds leaves a chest-rep machine, so Dean hops on and starts going through his sets. Bonds comes back and insists that Malenko get off "his machine". Malenko tells Bonds to take a hike, Bonds starts muscling up, then Chris Benoit ambles over and gives Bonds the fisheye. Bonds promptly backs down and shortly thereafter, takes a powder from the gym.
More or less.
Dean Malenko is working out at a gym somewhere in SoCal, and Barry Bonds happens to be working out there also. Bonds leaves a chest-rep machine, so Dean hops on and starts going through his sets. Bonds comes back and insists that Malenko get off "his machine". Malenko tells Bonds to take a hike, Bonds starts muscling up, then Chris Benoit ambles over and gives Bonds the fisheye. Bonds promptly backs down and shortly thereafter, takes a powder from the gym.
More or less.
just a joke. It was on my mind cause in my copyright class today we were discussing the difference between live shows that are scripted and unscripted (sporting events being one type), and the example of pro wrestling had my professor at a loss.
I never dismissed his steroid use. I said it's never been proven and it never has. Even in this article, nowhere does it say Bonds took steroids and Sheffield doesn't accuse him of it.
And even if he did hit steroids, it wouldn't help him to the extent of making him as good as he is right now.
But - boy! - does he sound like a jerk.
That said, I've read plenty of "Barry Bonds is really a softie" articles with anectdotes and such.
And even if he did hit steroids, it wouldn't help him to the extent of making him as good as he is right now.
But - boy! - does he sound like a jerk.
That said, I've read plenty of "Barry Bonds is really a softie" articles with anectdotes and such.
I think Bonds' giagantic head pretty much proves his steroid use 
Honestly though, does it really have to be 'proven'? Come on, I know you're smarted than that.
Anyway, I hear the argument all the time that just because he juices doesn't mean he can hit HRs. To that I say, sure, he has to see and hit the ball, but how many of those HRs would end up being off the wall doubles or flyouts, especially to right. Poody makes an excellent point in that thread, he's so overpowered that mistake pitches or those pitches inside that he turns on, even bad pitches go into orbit. And let's not forget that short porch in right field they have at SBC.
It's like when I first played Little League baseball. It was my first year so they put me in the minors, so I was 3-4 years older and so much bigger than the elementry kids that when I batted, I was launching asteroids, smashing car windows, hitting 3-4 HRs a game. It was rediculous. I was way too overpowerd for the minors. One time I was up to bat and this poor kid, I swear he must have been 7 or 8, was on the pitching mound puting the balls in the pitching machine. So I go up to bat and this kid looks scared to death. He slips the ball in, the pitch comes and I crush it, blasting a line drive straight off the kid's forehead, and he straight drops to the ground, blood pouring from his face. I race over to first base as he screams for his mother, terrible wails of fear and pain. Good thing the kid had a batting helmet on or it would have exploded his skull like a melon. His mom freaks and I have to go back and bat again. Then this highschool kid, one of the assistant coaches I think, mans the pitching machine and sends me another pitch. *PING* Another missile line drive straight to the pitching machine, the guy bails, taking cover behind the machine. That was my last game in the minors.
The point is that I was so strong I was like Bonds, if I wouldn't have been as strong, I would have still been a good hitter, just not near as prolific and I believe the same would go for Bonds. It's what happens with most great power hitters, they lose some of their power and they're not nearly as effective.
Honestly though, does it really have to be 'proven'? Come on, I know you're smarted than that. Anyway, I hear the argument all the time that just because he juices doesn't mean he can hit HRs. To that I say, sure, he has to see and hit the ball, but how many of those HRs would end up being off the wall doubles or flyouts, especially to right. Poody makes an excellent point in that thread, he's so overpowered that mistake pitches or those pitches inside that he turns on, even bad pitches go into orbit. And let's not forget that short porch in right field they have at SBC.
It's like when I first played Little League baseball. It was my first year so they put me in the minors, so I was 3-4 years older and so much bigger than the elementry kids that when I batted, I was launching asteroids, smashing car windows, hitting 3-4 HRs a game. It was rediculous. I was way too overpowerd for the minors. One time I was up to bat and this poor kid, I swear he must have been 7 or 8, was on the pitching mound puting the balls in the pitching machine. So I go up to bat and this kid looks scared to death. He slips the ball in, the pitch comes and I crush it, blasting a line drive straight off the kid's forehead, and he straight drops to the ground, blood pouring from his face. I race over to first base as he screams for his mother, terrible wails of fear and pain. Good thing the kid had a batting helmet on or it would have exploded his skull like a melon. His mom freaks and I have to go back and bat again. Then this highschool kid, one of the assistant coaches I think, mans the pitching machine and sends me another pitch. *PING* Another missile line drive straight to the pitching machine, the guy bails, taking cover behind the machine. That was my last game in the minors.
The point is that I was so strong I was like Bonds, if I wouldn't have been as strong, I would have still been a good hitter, just not near as prolific and I believe the same would go for Bonds. It's what happens with most great power hitters, they lose some of their power and they're not nearly as effective.
short porch in right?El Papa said:
Yeah:cubanb said:
SBC Park - Right Foul Line: 309 Feet
Dodger Stadium - Right Field: 330 feet
PETCO Park - Right Field: 322 feet
Minute Maid Park - Right field: 326 feet
Wrigley Field - Right field: 353 feet
Great American Ball Park - Right-field line: 325 feet/8-foot wall
Angel Stadium - 330-R Line
Alex Anderson
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Tis Thome!
Malenko doesn't wrestle anymore, but he still works with the WWE as a road agent. He looks to still be in good shape. I don't know why he retired (if it was injury related, wanting to stay in good health related, whatever). **edit He's 44 years old now and retired in 2001, it wasn't injury-related. He claimed to have accomplished all he set out to and felt he didn't have anything left to prove.** I was watching the Eddie Guerrero: Stealing Life, Cheating Death DVD this weekend and Malenko v. Guerrero (their last match in ECW) was one of the extras. It made me want to find more Dean matches.
Also, I can't wait until it comes out that Bonds injects buffalo guts into each ass cheek every morning. Hopefully before he passes Ruth, but especially Aaron. Bring back the asterik!
Malenko doesn't wrestle anymore, but he still works with the WWE as a road agent. He looks to still be in good shape. I don't know why he retired (if it was injury related, wanting to stay in good health related, whatever). **edit He's 44 years old now and retired in 2001, it wasn't injury-related. He claimed to have accomplished all he set out to and felt he didn't have anything left to prove.** I was watching the Eddie Guerrero: Stealing Life, Cheating Death DVD this weekend and Malenko v. Guerrero (their last match in ECW) was one of the extras. It made me want to find more Dean matches.
Also, I can't wait until it comes out that Bonds injects buffalo guts into each ass cheek every morning. Hopefully before he passes Ruth, but especially Aaron. Bring back the asterik!
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Willco said:
if they don't help so much, then why would he (and so many other guys if the last testing is any indication, over 5% of those tested came up positive) take them?
Ninja Scooter said:
Because they help you hit home runs and that makes you money, retard. Steroids don't help your plate patience, pitch selection and the billion other things that makes Bonds the stats monster he is today. Really. Use your head.
Good? Try amazing. He's hit for 30 home runs or more since 1990. You're delusional if you think he's been using steroids for 14 years. Guys who use steroids break down. Like Canseco. Like Giambi. Like McGuire. Bonds is still playing 140+ games per year and has never played less than 110. Fact. The guy has won six gold gloves in his career and three MVP awards before 2001 when people became so suspscious of the guy.
Steroids make you stronger. Not a better baseball player. He could've never broke the 700 plateu and he'd still be a legitimate Hall of Famer and known as one of the best outfielders of all-time.
Thome's a bitch too...I remember I went all the way to Cleveland to see his sorry ass and the Indians (10 hour drive for me)...well after the game I was getting some autographs from people like Sabathia and such.Anyways,long story short,like 15 people waited on Thome for about an hour and when he comes out he just hops in his truck and zooms off,not even a wave,bah!!Bastard!
Ninja Scooter
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Willco said:
words hurt, willco.
My friend's dad runs a construction company, and I guess they were doing concrete work at one of Bonds' homes. My friend used to oversee the work crews to make sure they weren't goofing off or whatever.
Well, I guess at some point it was break time, so the guys were sitting on the curb or something eating lunch, and Bonds came out and was like "get those damned wetbacks off my sidewalk" or something.
So they didn't finish the concrete correctly after that. I'd like to see photos.
Well, I guess at some point it was break time, so the guys were sitting on the curb or something eating lunch, and Bonds came out and was like "get those damned wetbacks off my sidewalk" or something.
So they didn't finish the concrete correctly after that. I'd like to see photos.
Ninja Scooter
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Willco said:
of course he was already a good hitter, my point is that IF he IS using steroids, they must be having a significant impact on his performance, otherwise why the hell take them? For the ball shrinkage? You can't just dismiss that because Bonds was already a great player.
Ninja Scooter said:
Not really. I don't mean to be offensive, but you don't sound like someone who has been involved in sports much. Truly competitive athletes want any edge to just be better than other people, regardless if the consequences are minimal. If the returns minimal, but Athlete A still better than Athlete B, then Athlete A will still do anything to be better. Some go overboard. Many are obsessive.
When you're in a sport where a half a second in your bat speed can make the difference between a gap hitter and a home run hitter, you might be pressured in taking that "extra something".
Athletes, true athletes, train their bodies to a degree where they're more than human. A lot of people don't like to know this, but steroids is just an extension of the kind of inhuman training most athletes go through. From shakes to vitamins to exercises to everything.
Bonds was obsessive about workouts before BALCO and it wouldn't surprise me if the "trainers" there just capitalized on his nature.
El Papa said:
Or the short porch in right field at Yankee Stadium. Alas, that fact is rarely brought up with the Babe.
People who say that Bonds home run totals would go down dramatically without the roids fail to explain why he's a couple thousand miles ahead of every other player who's juicing it up (and yeah, that includes Sheffield). If mere roids helped that much, everyone would be parking 60 dingers a year. That simply isn't the case.
As for Bonds being a jerk, who gives a fuck? The hall of fame is full of 'em, and most of 'em are lauded as if they're kings. And I've never heard anyone call Sheffield a wallflower.
And Willco's post is on point. Why use a 32 lbs bat instead of a 33 lbs bat? More speed, which can lead to more hits. So that's an advantage to player X. But player Y might want more mass for more yardage. Either way, that one pound differential is crucial for their own state of mind. No different to using batting gloves or urine-soaked bare hands, a visor or nothing in football or hockey, a protective shin guard or knee wrap, whatever. That doesn't even get into weight lifting, areobic workouts, running, sprints, vitamins, supplaments, and the whole nine. Players use any advantage at their disposal to help them improve. Like I said in that previous thread, Gaylord Perry admitted to using a spitball and relishes in that fact. He's in the hall of fame. When people make a big stink about that fact, then maybe the bitching about Bonds will sound less hollow. Until then, people should shut the fuck up.
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