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So yes, while a 'clear' example of child porn would be some sick photo of a clearly underage kid performing sex acts, the other example is like 13 year olds at the beach - could be one pulled from a family photo album (clear 'good' use) and the same photo is child pornography when downloaded/used/kept for the purposes of sexual gratification - aka r/jailbait.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. A catalog of children's clothing or an issue of Seventeen magazine would legally be considered child pornography if you intended to use it for sexual gratification? That doesn't sound like the law here at all. In the US courts have been relatively generous with grey areas like these.

That can also effect it yes, but if someone stole a bunch of photos of a mum bathing her baby (a common photo I think) and had them in their basement near CD's full of porn videos, I think they'd still say the intent of the viewer matters.

So storing photos of children/teens near to porn could be a crime? How does that prove intent?

 

[hym]

Adrien Chen? Wasn't he the guy who faked having a terminal illness on a reddit AMA to "prove somethin" ?

Yeh that's him, he wanted to prove that the majority of Reddit users were gullible, unlike the rest of humanity...

https://twitter.com/Adrianchen/status/45054116405325824

 

[Busty]

I think I've been to Reddit twice.

I don't feel as though I'm missing anything.

 

[LiK]

Yeh that's him, he wanted to prove that the majority of Reddit users were gullible, unlike the rest of humanity...

that is kinda fucked up.

 

[Gilby]

I think I've been to Reddit twice.

I don't feel as though I'm missing anything.

Only the most useful website on the internet. I use it more than Google.

Edit: The front page is garbage though. Generally speaking, the smaller the subreddit is, the better.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/pmj7f/a_necessary_change_in_policy/

Reddit policy: No suggestive or sexual content featuring minors.


Police and Courts need to decide if somebody is guilty of breaking the law, releasing personal information in the hope to let the internet mob sort it, ought to be illegal.

Exactly. This vigilante shit is going to get him fucked. There's one thing I know is that you as an individual should not be a vigilante or some sort of fuckup that would kill a community, no matter how fucked up they are.

A collection of anonymous hooligans is the worst thing you'd want after you.

Enjoy the future onslaught of bullying.

 

[grimshawish]

Because your anonymity on the internet should only be removed if A: You've volunteered that information or B: You've committed a crime that warrants said removal.

What? You don't have a right to anonymity; what are you on about?

You can be as morally opposed to his actions as you want, that doesn't mean he has committed a crime or harmed anyone. Once his identity is revealed, a best case scenario for him is vapid death threats and minor vandalism to his property. Best case. I don't think being a super creep warrants having your life flipped upside down - even if you're super gross.

You live what you sow. None of this changes the fact of what he did, revealing that is hardly immoral or wrong.

Its really hypocritical of people to defend him and attack someone else for their own actions. Your either morally unbiased or involved. Their doing nothing wrong by saying 'this guy did this'. Thats how journalism works.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

What? You don't have a right to anonymity; what are you on about?



You live what you sow. None of this changes the fact of what he did, revealing that is hardly immoral or wrong.

Its really hypocritical of people to defend him and attack someone else for their own actions. Your either morally unbiased or involved. Their doing nothing wrong by saying 'this guy did this'. Thats how journalism works.

Exactly.

So long as these anti-creep movements don't go beyond simply posting what these creepheads have themselves posted publicly online, they are okay in my book.

 

[Inflammable Slinky]

First they came for those who posted sexual images of underage girls and jacked off to them, and I did not speak up because I do not masturbate to underage girls.

Then there were less sickos on the internet, and I was fine with that because I was not a sicko.

 

[Delusibeta]

I posted in the other thread that netizens could simply be the watchers of the watchers to ensure that no immoral transgressions occur.

I think that's a pretty good safeguard.

The problem is that you'll be a looking about 100 witch hunts of innocent people for every one actual transgression. I'm sure you'll find several incidents of this on GAF.

 

[Dresden]

Yeh that's him, he wanted to prove that the majority of Reddit users were gullible, unlike the rest of humanity...

https://twitter.com/Adrianchen/status/45054116405325824

What a dick.

 

[Inflammable Slinky]

But seriously, what the hell is all this talk about "innocent" people? This asshole ain't innocent for shit! And it's not like he's gonna go to prison, I just want him ashamed to show his face in his town and spat at on the streets for being a disgusting sicko that sexualizes children.

 

[Busty]

Only the most useful website on the internet. I use it more than Google.

Edit: The front page is garbage though. Generally speaking, the smaller the subreddit is, the better.

Really? I've really only ever scouted out the first page but I might give it another shot.

It's just I usually get my fix of Internet 'opinions' from GAF.

But I will investigate Reddit some more.

 

[Delusibeta]

But seriously, what the hell is all this talk about "innocent" people? This asshole ain't innocent for shit! And it's not like he's gonna go to prison, I just want him ashamed to show his face in his town and spat at on the streets for being a disgusting sicko that sexualizes children.

Well, if you're going to go out and assault people, make sure they've at least heard of Reddit before you punch them.

 

[kingocfs]

Really? I've really only ever scouted out the first page but I might give it another shot.

It's just I usually get my fix of Internet 'opinions' from GAF.

But I will investigate Reddit some more.

Most of reddit is like walking through a high school cafeteria and eavesdropping on all the terrible conversations, but some of it is okay.

/jailbait was definitely never okay.

 

[Dastardly Jerks]

So has anyone actually gone into detail yet with who exactly Violentacrez is and what subreddits he's started?

r/incest, r/jailbait, r/rapingwomen, r/creepshots, r/niggerjailbait, r/rapehelp, r/beatingwomen,

The same ViolentAcrez was that was voted 'Redditor of the day on March 25, 2010'.

At this point it's almost irrelevant if he's provided content to those forums or not, the fact he's started them AND the fact that ALL those subreddits have had actual content posted to them AND the fact that Reddit were happy to host them until they came under fire is fucking disgusting.

 

[victreeb3l]

reddit makes me seriously appreciate gaf even more. while it has some good subreddits, the place is a fucking mess with some seriously fucked up people and content.

So has anyone actually gone into detail yet with who exactly Violentacrez is and what subreddits he's started?

r/incest, r/jailbait, r/rapingwomen, r/creepshots, r/niggerjailbait, r/rapehelp, r/beatingwomen,

The same ViolentAcrez was that was voted 'Redditor of the day on March 25, 2010'.

At this point it's almost irrelevant if he's provided content to those forums or not, the fact he's started them AND the fact that ALL those subreddits have had actual content posted to them AND the fact that Reddit were happy to host them until they came under fire is fucking disgusting.

yeah seriously. stuff has been up for a long time before they did anything about it

 

[Busty]

Most of reddit is like walking through a high school cafeteria and eavesdropping on all the terrible conversations, but some of it is okay.

/jailbait was definitely never okay.

I am actually surprised to hear it even has a 'JB' section. Clearly it's not at all what I thought it was.

 

[turnbuckle]

guy makes controversial subreddits, other guy wants to expose him, some guys protect him.

im not into 15 year old bods or dead children but the thread title is waaay inflamatory.

Yup.

Reddit needs to do more to squash these fucked up subreddits though. We can argue over what constitutes "fucked up", but defending internet freedom and anonymity shouldn't be taken to such an extreme that it supports jailbait or worse. Although the place is basically moderated by the users and it's hard to respond to every horrible subreddit or comment posted immediately, this reality shouldn't be used as a defense for the way they've handled things. the jailbait, pics of dead children, and creepshots subreddits were known about well before they were finally closed up.

I'm "fine" with the other types of messed up subreddits like the racist or homophobic or whatever other nonsense that exists though. Let those idiots live in their echo chamber and spew their vile in a place where nobody else has to hear it.

For many people who give the place a shot, reddit's an incredible source of news and information and some of the subreddits have contributors that provide comments that expand on a story and can be rather enlightening. I basically subscribe to the "TIL", political, Michigan, science, and a few other informative subreddits. Reddit + Gaf is a great 1-2 punch for keeping up on the world and reading and/or participating in discussion about news. It's a shame there's some trash that lurks in the shadows and moderation needs to do a better job controlling it and eliminating it. The few ruin it for the many.

 

[Dick Justice]

Yeh that's him, he wanted to prove that the majority of Reddit users were gullible, unlike the rest of humanity...

https://twitter.com/Adrianchen/status/45054116405325824

Stupid fucking cunt. But then, I guess he fits in with the rest of the Gawker family.

 

[hym]

reddit makes me seriously appreciate gaf even more. while it has some good subreddits, the place is a fucking mess with some seriously fucked up people and content.

The internet makes me seriously appreciate real life even more. while it has some good websites, the place is a fucking mess with some seriously fucked up people and content.

Real life makes me seriously appreciate my mind even more. while it has some good locations, the place is a fucking mess with some seriously fucked up people and content.

My mind makes me seriously appreciate alcohol even more. while it has some good ideas, the place is a fucking mess with some seriously fucked up figments and content.

 

[Mooreberg]

Gawker's resident Reddit reporter Adrian Chen

If I had sharp fingernails I'd have scalped myself reading this.

 

[Stet]

So has anyone actually gone into detail yet with who exactly Violentacrez is and what subreddits he's started?

r/incest, r/jailbait, r/rapingwomen, r/creepshots, r/niggerjailbait, r/rapehelp, r/beatingwomen,

The same ViolentAcrez was that was voted 'Redditor of the day on March 25, 2010'.

At this point it's almost irrelevant if he's provided content to those forums or not, the fact he's started them AND the fact that ALL those subreddits have had actual content posted to them AND the fact that Reddit were happy to host them until they came under fire is fucking disgusting.

Nothing would please me more than for his friends and family to know he started those subreddits.

 

[WanderingWind]

"True reporting" ? What are you talking about. Journalism is not police work, especially moral police.

Yeah, I get it. You don't understand what actual journalism is. I really don't know how to explain it, considering you view it as "moral policing."

 

[CorvoSol]

so what if all this is just some dude spouting random shit online and none of it is true? gonna ruin his life over it?

The irony to me is that the whole blackmail thing is also happening to people allegedly involved in the "creepshot" subreddit. I'm not at all in favor of these things here, but this "blackmail redditors" thing is starting to creep me out.

 

[dorkimoe]

i have 0 respect for gawker and that adrian chen dude is a real asshole.

That being said this thread title is misleading..they arent protecting childporn..they removed those subreddits, they are protecting a user

 

[TheSeks]

On one hand, that content is totally disgusting and I really can't see anyone making a case about a platform that supports the propagation and easy access to that content. But, the way Gawker is approaching is appalling. This isn't investigative journalism into the really fucked parts of the internet, this is a click-grab with a great dose of blackmail in it. Actually try to do your job as a "journalist" and don't blackmail people.

Either way, it doesn't matter, that kind of content doesn't have a place on reddit.

So, I'm on reddit quite often and I never heard of those subreddits. I didn't even know the admins allowed something like that.

It's only "easy, and proliferate"ing because you didn't know about it in the first place, dude. Learn about subreddits and how ANYONE can make one and reddit's main site/admins/site owners will never know. That's the gift and curse of reddit. You can make an /r/NeoGAF reddit right now and Evilore/NeoGAF in general wouldn't know unless you mentioned it.

The /r/picofdeadkids and /r/jailbait subreddits are scum and have been off-handedly known for a few years now, but reddit didn't do shit about them since they aren't really illegal. They're "grey area" matters where most people think they're scum but 1) pictures of dead kids isn't illegal and 2) "jailbait" isn't totally illegal since most of the pictures in that subreddit don't show sexual acts with kids. That's why they haven't been removed.

But reddit defending the dude when he isn't really defendable is despicable and the first time I can't really defend the site.

Edit:

.they removed those subreddits, they are protecting a user

Okay, that explains it a bit then.

 

[Rentahamster]

I hate that when a cute girl talks about being on Reddit, I have to pretend to not be irked.

On the other hand, I know a cute girl who is waiting for her Gaf account to start.

We'll be the new TImedog and Devolution.

You can't be Timedog. You don't play Street Fighter 4.

 

[Dastardly Jerks]

i have 0 respect for gawker and that adrian chen dude is a real asshole.

That being said this thread title is misleading..they arent protecting childporn..they removed those subreddits, they are protecting a user

They're not actively removing the alternatives that pop up though - instead they're handing out moderators for them. That part makes me sick.

 

[Dastardly Jerks]

You can't be Timedog. You don't play Street Fighter 4.

Neither does anyone else.

 

[UrbanRats]

Nothing would please me more than for his friends and family to know he started those subreddits.

Did you miss the part where he was having sex with his stepdaughter?

 

[Amagon]

Sensational thread title is sensational.

 

[stilgar]

Yeah, I get it. You don't understand what actual journalism is. I really don't know how to explain it, considering you view it as "moral policing."

Yeah, I see now. Your arguments just converted me. But please, school me more about my job.

 

[WanderingWind]

Yeah, I see now. Your arguments just converted me. But please, school me more about my job.

What argument? You said you didn't understand journalism, I simply agreed with you. And if that is truly your profession, than none of this should be confusing you.

 

[Tears For Fears]

Neither does anyone else.

Welp, this shit tickled me. So fucking true.

 

[flippedb]

First they steal 4chan's memes, now they also borrow 4chan's love for CP.

Awww man!

 

[Krauser Kat]

Sometimes people start subreddits to get rid of a type of content most people dont want to see in other subreddits. Im glad jailbait existed so i wouldnt run into any young girls while browsing nsfw or other porn sub reddits over there. They have cleaned up a lot of those subreddits after the last snafu.

 

[Darklord]

Yeh that's him, he wanted to prove that the majority of Reddit users were gullible, unlike the rest of humanity...

https://twitter.com/Adrianchen/status/45054116405325824

Man! That is fucked up. There's some things you just don't do.

 

[Juicy Bob]

One of the most peculiar things about that faking cancer situation is there was an article on the USA Today website about it, in which they quoted a NeoGAF post.

Feedback on reddit, Facebook and other sites has been overwhelmingly supportive. "I'll see you across the river Styx," one comment said. When he mentioned that he once saw the "sun rise and set in the same day" in Key West, posters sent links to webcams there.

One post on NeoGAF, a gaming site, said of Lucidending's decision: "That's not courage. Courage would be if he decided to live as long as possible despite the horrible pain."

On another site, a poster raised the possibility that it might all be a hoax.

 

[dorkimoe]

They're not actively removing the alternatives that pop up though - instead they're handing out moderators for them. That part makes me sick.

They don't hand out moderators. I'm pretty sure if i created a subreddit called r/dorkimoethebestdotaplayerever then I'm automatically a mod of it. At least that's how I assume it works.

 

[Patryn]

that is kinda fucked up.

Gawker has this weird love/hate relationship with Reddit. If you pay attention, about 75 percent of Gawker's content originates on Reddit, yet pretty much anything they post about Reddit directly is negative in tone. Sure, a lot of that negativity is warranted, but I suspect that there's a level of self-loathing that fuels the hatred as the Gawker writers realize that all they do all day is regurgitate Reddit posts.

One of the most peculiar things about that faking cancer situation is there was an article on the USA Today website about it, in which they quoted a NeoGAF post.

Wait, what? That reads like some writer was caught reading GAF at work and justified it to his editor by claiming it was research.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

One of the most peculiar things about that faking cancer situation is there was an article on the USA Today website about it, in which they quoted a NeoGAF post.

Damn, GAF is famous!

 

[Stet]

Did you miss the part where he was having sex with his stepdaughter?

No, that'd be cool for them to know too. I'm not on his side...!

 

[Polari]

It's like a perfect storm of the worst things on the Internet.

 

[RotBot]

Yeh that's him, he wanted to prove that the majority of Reddit users were gullible, unlike the rest of humanity...

https://twitter.com/Adrianchen/status/45054116405325824

Well, not really.

http://gawker.com/5780681/why-the-internet-thinks-i-faked-having-cancer-on-a-message-board

Accepting a single tweet as proof is kind of reinforcing his point about gullibility. If he wanted to reveal that he perpetrated the hoax, why wouldn't he just post on reddit from the hoax account?

 

[CorvoSol]

Sensational thread title is sensational.

Sometimes sensational thread titles get to stay. Like the one about the WWII photo being "proven" sexual assault in spite of the fact that there was literally 0 proof in the OP and that what, 60 years later you still cannot prove with any certainty the identities of the couple and that the only credible account of the entire event is that of a man who may or may not have even seen the moments leading up to the kiss.

So yeah, sensational thread titles gonna be sensational.

 

[cooljeanius]

This reminds me, did GAF's gaming side ever ban Kotaku? I remember it's something people have often asked for.

 

[Polari]

This reminds me, did GAF's gaming side ever ban Kotaku? I remember it's something people have often asked for.

I thought it got banned ages ago? Maybe I'm thinking of another site though.

 

[UrbanRats]

No, that'd be cool for them to know too. I'm not on his side...!

Nah i get that, i'm saying maybe his circle of friends is not that oblivious to the thing.

 

[8bit]

Unmasking Reddit’s Violentacrez, The Biggest Troll on the Web

http://gawker.com/5950981/