Gawker and Reddit fight over "free speech", child pornography, patting selves on back

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I thought it got banned ages ago? Maybe I'm thinking of another site though.

IIRC, Kotaku was banned, but then they broke some big Sony news and refused to take it don after Sony put the pressure on them so the site got unbanned. Or maybe it was some other site... Haven't been to the gaming side in a long time.
 
Unmasking Reddit’s Violentacrez, The Biggest Troll on the Web

http://gawker.com/5950981/

What a smarmy little fuck. Brutsch is clearly a piece of shit, and his "uncovering" is definitely newsworthy. But not in a hack piece rife with Chen fellating himself. Far too much editorializing, almost zero actual reporting and overall a overlong, garbled mess. Shame, because this could've been a great story. Instead, it's just another shit internet drama piece from one idiot about another idiot.
 
You'd think that Chen would actually like this kind of troll considering his whole fake cancer thing.

I thought he said that it wasn't him?

Anyway, I found the article interesting. Don't know much about Reddit, but he seemed pretty fair in this piece at least.
 
I thought he said that it wasn't him?

Anyway, I found the article interesting. Don't know much about Reddit, but he seemed pretty fair in this piece at least.

he said it was him then said he was joking about it after the internet got super pissed that someone would lie so it's probably not him but who knows, there was never any real information on who it really was.

I think this is a hard topic for me to decide on a side with, on one hand I don't support any of the stuff the guy on reddit was posting but on the other hand it's not really right to post his personal information on the internet for something that isn't really an article, it seems more like Chen was just being a dick to a guy he didn't support under the guise of journalism.
 
he said it was him then said he was joking about it after the internet got super pissed that someone would lie so it's probably not him but who knows, there was never any real information on who it really was.

Ehh he made a dumb joke on twitter. Not exactly an uncommon offense.
 
I don't understand why people are so disgusted and horrified about /r jailbait. is it because they aren't "legal" therefore it's disgusting because the law says it is?
 
I don't understand why people are so disgusted and horrified about /r jailbait. is it because they aren't "legal" therefore it's disgusting because the law says it is?

I don't think it's ever really cool to distribute a person's picture to a massive audience with the intent of getting them off without the subject's consent, regardless of age. It's just a pretty shitty thing to do.
 
Why are reddit users so obsessed with defending or justifying the trash found on their site? The Jailbait stuff is disgusting, didnt reddit give the guy a special award because of his 'work' there; the jailbait section was voted 'best section' two years in a row. Why are people defending this trash?

If this was just some random guy instead of some reddit celeb, gaffers would be calling for his blood.

And the fake cancer thing was obviously a way to show how easily reddit users can be fooled.
 
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WHAT ARE YOU HIDING GAF?!

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I don't think it's ever really cool to distribute a person's picture to a massive audience with the intent of getting them off without the subject's consent, regardless of age. It's just a pretty shitty thing to do.

But, I agree there, but, it seems the idea of 15-16 year old girls near nude is some sick disgusting act. These same people rally behind a man who had sex with an underage girl and had his life ruined now say the guy is sick for wanking it to teens. A teenager is not a child. A child is 13 and below, before puberty. But teens are having sex, but, if an adult is attracted towards a teen he's a sick fuck.
 
I've got some bad news for you.

It's not child porn. She's not a child, nor should someone have his life ruined because of it. Someone should absolutely have their life ruined for wanking it to 13 and below. The laws says it is because people seem to think once you turn 18 you magically become an adult, but, before then you're just a dumb kid who should be babied and coddled.

What i'm getting at is kids are being babied too much. Teens should not be treated the same as 8 year olds.
 
But, I agree there, but, it seems the idea of 15-16 year old girls near nude is some sick disgusting act. These same people rally behind a man who had sex with an underage girl and had his life ruined now say the guy is sick for wanking it to teens. A teenager is not a child. A child is 13 and below, before puberty. But teens are having sex, but, if an adult is attracted towards a teen he's a sick fuck.

I understand what you are saying but it's not going to be a very popular opinion here.
 
I understand what you are saying but it's not going to be a very popular opinion here.

True, but he's right.

Look at people when they comment on the looks of someone, then you tell them "Oh she's 16", then their tune changes like somehow that number makes the person suddenly less attractive.

Lot of people don't like to make that distinction between having an attraction, and actually acting upon that attraction.
 
Maybe the "oh god she/he's only 16" response isn't necessarily a function of society but instead a function of guilt at the idea of taking advantage of someone who's still in development.
 
If it's sick to see a picture of a 16 year old girl in a bikini and think about her in a sexual way, is it sick for various states in the US to have the age of consent be 16?
 
I'm not going to comment one way or another on whether or not it's sick to think one thing or another, but I do think that stealing pictures from young girls' Facebooks or taking pictures of them without them knowing it is definitely sick.
 
True, but he's right.

Look at people when they comment on the looks of someone, then you tell them "Oh she's 16", then their tune changes like somehow that number makes the person suddenly less attractive.

Lot of people don't like to make that distinction between having an attraction, and actually acting upon that attraction.

I didn't say he was not right. Just didn't want him getting hated on.
 
The Web would be a better place without both Gawker and reddit, they're examples of everything that is wrong with it, and why we can't have nice things. The Internet is progressively becoming more and more of a quagmire.
 
I'll be willing to bet a dollar that the guy Chen accused isn't Violentacrez, due to reasons posted before: Gawker doesn't seem to be a place to double check their leads.
 
Violentacrez and his fellow moderators worked hard to make sure every girl on jailbait was underage, diligently deleting any photos of whose subjects seemed older than 16 or 17. Violentacrez himself posted hundreds of photos. Jailbait became one of Reddit's most popular subreddits, generating millions of pageviews a month. "Jailbait" was for a time the second biggest search term bringing traffic to Reddit, after "Reddit." Eventually, Jailbait landed on CNN, where Anderson Cooper called out Reddit for hosting it, and Violentacrez for creating it. The ensuing outcry led Reddit administrators to reluctantly ban Jailbait, and all sexually suggestive content featuring minors.

lol

Having his screenname mangled by Anderson Cooper on CNN for Jailbait was Violentacrez's biggest moment as a troll, but it wasn't his first time in the spotlight. Since Brutsch stumbled on Reddit from a link on the internet culture blog Boing Boing in 2007, he has pushed the boundaries of Reddit's free-speech culture. He has done this mostly through creating offensive subreddits to troll sensitive users. Some of the sections Violentacrez created or moderated were called:

Chokeabitch
Niggerjailbait
Rapebait
Hitler
Jewmerica
Misogyny
Incest

classy

A few years ago, while Jailbait was still going strong, Reddit's administrators gave him a special one-of-a-kind "pimp hat" badge to honor his contributions to the site, which he proudly displayed on his profile. Brutsch said he was even in the final running for a job as a customer support representative at Reddit last year.

Reddit.
 
IIRC, Kotaku was banned, but then they broke some big Sony news and refused to take it don after Sony put the pressure on them so the site got unbanned. Or maybe it was some other site... Haven't been to the gaming side in a long time.

Yeah, it was when Kotaku outed PlayStation Home and pissed off Sony.
 
Unmasking Reddit’s Violentacrez, The Biggest Troll on the Web

http://gawker.com/5950981/

A troll exploits social dynamics like computer hackers exploit security loopholes, and Violentacrez calmly exploited the Reddit hive mind's powerful outrage machine and free speech values at the same time.

It was this pattern, repeated to various degrees dozens of times, that made Violentacrez an unlikely hero to many of the white male geeks who make up Reddit's hard core. They saw Violentacrez as a champion in the fight against the oppressive schoolmarms: "He upheld a certain amount of freedom for the worst of us to ensure freedom for all of us," wrote one user in a post mourning his departure. Fans followed him wherever he went on the site.

At Web communities like Reddit, which thrive because users are free to say and do anything they want, doxing is a severe crime, both to users and the site's staff. It's far worse than offensive speech like racism and homophobia or, yes, even posting surreptitiously snapped photos of innocent women for creeps to perv over. Why? Because doxing undermines the community's structural integrity: Reddit simply would not exist as we know it if users weren't operating under the freedom of a flexible identity. So redditors aren't banning Gawker to protect violentacrez, they're doing it to protect themselves.

This is what I hate about the internet. Anonymity doesn't grant people more freedom of speech. Even if you had your name attached to your online ID, you're just as free to say whatever you want. The difference is anonymity means people don't have to deal with the consequences of what they say, and we're all worse off for it.

Championing free speech over the internet is just cowardly. At least Pastor Terry Jones has the balls to put his name on the shit he says.
 
True, but he's right.

Look at people when they comment on the looks of someone, then you tell them "Oh she's 16", then their tune changes like somehow that number makes the person suddenly less attractive.

It's a little weird how people's sense of morality is dictated by the law rather than logic or reason. You're a perv for being attracted to anyone under 18, even if they look like they're older. Not necessarily because it's an age where someone becomes mature and is capable of making rational adult decisions, but just because legislators have generally come to the consensus that that should be the number.

You can see the reverse version in the States, where you're an irresponsible monster for driving with a blood alcohol level over .08. But in European countries where the legal limit is .03 - .05, we would be the irresponsible monsters.
 
True, but he's right.

Look at people when they comment on the looks of someone, then you tell them "Oh she's 16", then their tune changes like somehow that number makes the person suddenly less attractive.

Lot of people don't like to make that distinction between having an attraction, and actually acting upon that attraction.

Yup, and that's where the whole COUNTDOWN stuff comes in where everyone's waiting with baited breath for a popular female figure to turn 18. That's just weird. "Okay, now I can legally wank to this!"
 
I've got some bad news for you.

Huh? A 15 year old in a bikini is certainly not child porn, in that case many movies, news reports from the beach, magazines selling clothing and so on would be distributing child porn. Not that pictures of a 15 year old that has either been stolen from her facebook or taken by a random guy should be posted around for people to wank to or is in any way not wrong, but it's still never going to be child porn because of that.
 
Unmasking Reddit’s Violentacrez, The Biggest Troll on the Web

http://gawker.com/5950981/


I know I won't shed a tear over his life being ruined. He ruined it himself by posting underage girls and getting off on it. What a sicko. No one is truly anonymous on the Internet either and he's learning the hard way.

Everything you post on the Internet you should consider it as saying something in public IRL. If you wouldn't say/do it at work you shouldn't be posting it on the Internet because it could come back to haunt you and most likely will. Once it's on the Internet it's there forever.
 
I get the feeling that the Adrian Chen person is going to be stalked and hunted down by the fired Texas guy. I don't know why.
 
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