Good fucking gods, that's so insulting and off-based. Actual LGBT people DO get beaten up (sometimes to death) frequently, while I've never heard of a single Christian in the USA getting beaten up for being Christian.![]()
Why can't you guys see?
Didn't you hear about it? Whenever two homosexual people engage in consensual intercourse a straight, Christian person dies. Don't ask me how, it just happens.Good fucking gods, that's so insulting and off-based. Actual LGBT people DO get beaten up (sometimes to death) frequently, while I've never heard of a single Christian in the USA getting beaten up for being Christian.
This cartoon is rage-inducing.
Looks like those shitbag bakery owners here in Oregon who refused to make the cake for a gay couple have now been fined:
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Good fucking gods, that's so insulting and off-based. Actual LGBT people DO get beaten up (sometimes to death) frequently, while I've never heard of a single Christian in the USA getting beaten up for being Christian.
This cartoon is rage-inducing.
Well, someone spilled the beans. The Catholic forum that's having a meltdown over gay marriage is now aware of us. If there's anything you'd like to say to them, you may as well say it here, because at least some of their members are reading it![]()
Good fucking gods, that's so insulting and off-based. Actual LGBT people DO get beaten up (sometimes to death) frequently, while I've never heard of a single Christian in the USA getting beaten up for being Christian.
This cartoon is rage-inducing.
This is so perfect, it almost makes up for the bile some salty people are spewing...Actually, one of my mom's students in New Zealand responded to that pic with this
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This is perfect. Stealing...Actually, one of my mom's students in New Zealand responded to that pic with this
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Why can't you guys see?
Well if you were in first place you wouldnt want blue shells anyways.![]()
So, obviously, Arab World's saltiness over this subject is as high as you can imagine, despite them having absolutely nothing to do with it. I've been going through the arabic hashtag that talks about this decision and It almost gave me cancer.
There's a couple notable tweets that stood out, and they reference a couple sayings that may or may not be true (I really don't know) so I though I would share them here.
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Translation:
Zimbabwe's president: If Obama approves of Gay marriage and wants us to do the same, then we (him and Obama) should get married and see if he likes that.
https://twitter.com/bin_3agoool/status/614574732101312512
Translation:
Soon they'll demand the rights to marry their animals.
https://twitter.com/m7md189/status/614490587710926849
Translation:
Now that it's a part of the constitution, the US will try with all its might to make the world do the same in the name of the bullshit they call democracy.
Whew.. How to solve this dilemma? Life's too short to do that I guess.
So, obviously, Arab World's saltiness over this subject is as high as you can imagine, despite them having absolutely nothing to do with it. I've been going through the arabic hashtag that talks about this decision and It almost gave me cancer.
There's a couple notable tweets that stood out, and they reference a couple sayings that may or may not be true (I really don't know) so I though I would share them here.
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Translation:
Zimbabwe's president: If Obama approves of Gay marriage and wants us to do the same, then we (him and Obama) should get married and see if he likes that.
https://twitter.com/bin_3agoool/status/614574732101312512
Translation:
Soon they'll demand the rights to marry their animals.
https://twitter.com/m7md189/status/614490587710926849
Translation:
Now that it's a part of the constitution, the US will try with all its might to make the world do the same in the name of the bullshit they call democracy.
Whew.. How to solve this dilemma? Life's too short to do that I guess.
Lol they should be embarrassed by that. I mean that's grade school logic there, they aren't even trying. "Well if you like it so much, why don't you marry it!"
I don't even think I have seen the most outspoken Christians take that road, and that really says something.
It's a joke, at least from the tone. The translation removed the humor out of it.
Yep. I don't like soccer, but I don't think it should be banned. This logic is simply saying "I don't like it, and my opinion is the only one that matters. Keep it illegal!" Which is a ridiculous mindset to have.Lol they should be embarrassed by that. I mean that's grade school logic there, they aren't even trying. "Well if you like it so much, why don't you marry it!"
I don't even think I have seen the most outspoken Christians take that road, and that is really saying something.
I didn't know that, thanks. It goes to show how crazy homophobes are when you can't distinguish them from parodies.It's a joke, at least from the tone. The translation removed the humor out of it.
So, obviously, Arab World's saltiness over this subject is as high as you can imagine, despite them having absolutely nothing to do with it. I've been going through the arabic hashtag that talks about this decision and It almost gave me cancer.
There's a couple notable tweets that stood out, and they reference a couple sayings that may or may not be true (I really don't know) so I though I would share them here.
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Translation:
Zimbabwe's president: If Obama approves of Gay marriage and wants us to do the same, then we (him and Obama) should get married and see if he likes that.
https://twitter.com/bin_3agoool/status/614574732101312512
Translation:
Soon they'll demand the rights to marry their animals.
https://twitter.com/m7md189/status/614490587710926849
Translation:
Now that it's a part of the constitution, the US will try with all its might to make the world do the same in the name of the bullshit they call democracy.
Whew.. How to solve this dilemma? Life's too short to do that I guess.
95% of all disagreements about homosexuality and gay marriage stem from one side believing that homosexuality is a part of who a person is, and the other side believing that it is a behavior that is chosen. It's sort of like how the abortion debate works. Pro-choicers aren't Anti-life, and Pro-lifers aren't Anti-choice. All disagreements about abortion are ultimately a question as to where life begins. In both cases, all other arguments are essentially fluff. If everybody agreed on what the actual point of debate was, things would be a lot easier.
So if there is any actual "reasonable" dialogue to be have where people legitimately want to try and convince the other side of their respective viewpoints, the dialogue has to about whether homosexuality is a choice or not.
You know people want companies to have the same rights as people, but life does not work like that.Looks like those shitbag bakery owners here in Oregon who refused to make the cake for a gay couple have now been fined:
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lol, funny thing about that Sweet Cakes post is they're now deleting comments that they don't agree me. What's that about freedom of speech?
Looks like those shitbag bakery owners here in Oregon who refused to make the cake for a gay couple have now been fined:
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https://twitter.com/bin_3agoool/status/614574732101312512
Translation:
Soon they'll demand the rights to marry their animals.
Actually, one of my mom's students in New Zealand responded to that pic with this
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I can usually translate these into coherent sentences but not only does it lack logic but lacks any sense of coherency.![]()
My head hurts...
Oh, I sure hope that's true.Oh thank goodness, faith in humanity restored.
I disagree.
On abortion you are right that there is a disagreement on when life of the (prenatal) human gets intrinsic value. The problem here is that the largest group of the anti-abortion crowd uses dogma/scripture to be told on when that is, for example by taking a 'soul' as something real-life.
The anti-homosexual marriage people do not disagree with it because they think people make a lifestyle choice, but again because their dogma/scripture says it is wrong. No logical reasons needed, it is bad because their god says so, and perhaps because they think it is icky.
Now, that leaves them vulnerable for a religious argument: 'If God hates homosexuals, he would not have made them gay.' A valid argument which could only be countered by 'God didn't do that, they did so themselves'.
But people are wrong to argue religion. It doesn't matter if a religion says all homosexuals should die horribly and/or live in celibacy, it does not matter if people make a choice to be gay or are born that way or 'turn gay' some other way. People should be free to choose who to have sex with and with whom they want to marry. People are also free to marry people they don't love and don't have sex with.
The only reasonable 'dialog' there is to be had with religious people, is to tell them to do whatever religious stuff they want, don't bother others with it, don't expect their religion to become the law and to obey the laws of the land.
The simplest, most definitive argument, and it has to be the one that's most ignored.The fact that some people are born gay is actually the only thing I need to prove to myself as a religious person that it can't be a sin. Ultimately, it won't matter to me either way since I believe it's a personal right.
I can usually translate these into coherent sentences but not only does it lack logic but lacks any sense of coherency.
Edit: I actually figured it out. Bad choice of words to get that message across. Idiots as these marriages are civil and not religious and arent forcing any religions to perform them.
The simplest, most definitive argument, and it has to be the one that's most ignored.
Unfortunately it's not that simple. Even if someone believed that deep down, they could easily counter it with "well aren't pedophiles born that way too?" etc etc. The argument needs to be paired with the "hurts no one" argument, and probably the Leviticus fallacy too.The simplest, most definitive argument, and it has to be the one that's most ignored.
The simplest, most definitive argument, and it has to be the one that's most ignored.
Oh how silly of me. I'm only 4 out of the 5 and twice your age but now I'm being told how I feel too. The reason I brought age into it is because I have lived through twice the amount of societal change that you have seen, yet I couldn't possibly know I what I know. So, I'll take this opportunity to clarify. Oh, and I'll even do it without the cussin! How are straight white people being oppressed? Let's see, for the last 7 years and counting we have been living with the first black president that was going to fix everything especially the black community, yet race relations are verifiable worse than they have been in 50 years. All because it is the intention to punish white people as well as this country for our horrible acts of the past... Slavery. Yet, there isn't a person alive today that owned, sold or chained black people as slaves. Oh and by the way, slavery was created by democrats but now everybody believes it was the republicans. So how's that oppressing? Ever heard of affirmative action? The straight thing. If I state that I don't believe in homosexuality must less gay marriage, I'm a horrible human being! Right! With that said, do what you want but when you start trying to make it normal and forcing me to accept it as such, now you made it my business and therefore, my opinion gets heard. God made a man and a women period. God created marriage. The government got involved in marriage for $$$ reasons but then along come the gays and their whining about fairness and equal rights, all because of the same $$$ reasons mind you. Then the Supreme Court makes new laws to allow marriage to be redefined and that like it or not oppresses straight people, not today at this minute but digression just needs a start. Ooops, I just realized I offended you and likely many others. I said God created man, woman and marriage. This entire country was founded under the believe in God, the 10 commandments and our founding fathers incorporated him into the Constitution, bill or rights and the vary fabric that made this country great. Now however it's the goal of the 7 year and counting socialist patterned government to remove God from everything! I could continue but let's move on to the republicans/gun owners/southerners of which according to you are one group. Right there in your own statement you are oppressing me! Daily attacks by the government, media and irresponsible people. I not southern but they also have the right of free speech, not just you and your buddies. I used to be a republican but I don't have representation any longer and I prefer the label Conservative since everything is about labels nowadays. I am definitely a gun owner and pretty much under constant attack by liberals that refuse to even address the true problem much less pass new laws which by the way, screw your new laws! There are already numerous laws on the books that woulda, coulda, and should have prevented every single shooting that has taken place. The United States Constitution grants me the right to keep and bear arms period and based on the recent rulings on gay marriage I feel that now my license that the government says I have to have in order to execute my constitutional right, should be legal in ALL 50 states! Back to the oppression thing, typical liberalism, don't focus on the real problem, let's use this as way to further attack and restrict gun rights. Never mind that every single shooter was on or recently came off prescribed drugs for mental issues! Oh no, guns are the problem..... Well, I haven't shot anyone and I'm a nut job according to you. Chicago and Washington DC are gun free zones! Yet there are still guns?? Only they are in criminals hands! I think I've already covered the gay marriage thing, but backwards idiots? News flash, for a society to exist the must be standards that are maintained or it will be a free for all. Guess we'll just have to see how that plays out but when pedophiles want to marry little kids or marriages of multiply people start I'll know you're good with it. The Confederate flag IS a piece of their heritage! Just because it's not yours doesn't mean you or anyone else can ban it because you don't like it. If you don't know or like what the south fought for study but the flag didn't represent racism. It was the field battle flag and just because some group of sheet wearin democrats commandeered the flag everybody now says it's racist. Yes, democrats originated the KKK! But you wouldn't know it now days. Nobody was remotely concerned about the confederate flag until some whack job kid shot some black people and he has the flag in some of his pictures. Great, let's go after a flag! Divert the focus off the real issue that I previously covered, the drugs that he and others were on. Now, as far as backwards, hateful, or ignorant views of people. How about you apply that same statement to all the racebaiters and the government that imported protesters to destroy cities after a court ruling they didn't like. See, there have been several court rulings and constant erosion of society yet I haven't seen anybody shot, no city burned down, I haven't seen much of anything with regards to resistance from the people that are in the meme Amy post. If anyone of those groups does speak up, let the name calling and defamation begin! All because the "tolerant" liberals won't allow someone to have different views, feelings or believes. In closing I'll add that the meme left out Christians. Just so you know, church are and have been under attack and the next "my feelings are hurt, I'm offended bandwagon" you'll be able to get on will be the banning of the American flag.
Not hyperbole, but this is honestly one of the best analogy I ever seen! Did the person replied to that New Zealand student?
So I took a jab at a family member for posting something, I'll just let it speak for itself:
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This was posted by my niece, who is really just parroting what her dad would say or do.
I replied with "I love you, but this is fucking ignorant" (knowing that she wouldn't take it all that seriously, but her dad would)
So it begins
I kind of like ruffling this guys feathers, because I really don't need to do anything but watch his madness unfold, so I waited
Lo and behold, he replies "According to who?"
This is my chance, no one in my family speaks their mind to this guy, even though most of us agree he is, to say the least, on the nuttier side of things.
So here is where I poke the bear, I reply: "Me, and likely many others. How the fuck are white straight people being oppressed? And Republicans/gun owners/southerners(last 3 are really one group)? There have yet to be any sweeping gun laws preventing anyone from getting access, regardless of education level, mental health, or requirement of proper training. Posts like this are aimed at pandering for two different crowds. 1. Backwards idiots that genuinely believe gay marriage will hurt them in any way and 2. Rednecks that call the confederate flag a piece of their heritage. Though that flag does present an excellent analogy: A group of people with backwards, hateful, or ignorant views that will ultimately be on the losing side of history"
That felt pretty good. Kept it pretty short and sweet, and made my point without directly attacking him. I wait a few hours, then check back and get exactly what I was looking for.
His reply:
So at this point I am wondering if I should take this further, or just agree to disagree and call it a day. What dost thou think, GAF?
It's easily brushed off.
"All of us are tempted to sin. It's in our nature. What makes us Christian is choosing to follow in Jesus' path despite our sinful nature."
So at this point I am wondering if I should take this further, or just agree to disagree and call it a day. What dost thou think, GAF?
Take it further. That's prime salt. It sounds like you could get him into a screaming fit in a few posts. Maybe even in ALL CAPS. Don't throw that away.
Wow, that's a huge amount of empty talking points, half truths, and outright lies. I'm kind of impressed, you can literally imagine the spittle flying out of the guys mouth as he spewed it.
Exactly, I was hoping to get some good ideas from this thread, I feel like I have so many options!
Problem is, it's a lot like debating a creationist. Going point by pointing showing him why hes wrong sounds like a good idea, but he'll just 'no you' and ignore it. Echo chamber 'facts' > real facts, to that sort of person.
Problem is, it's a lot like debating a creationist. Going point by pointing showing him why hes wrong sounds like a good idea, but he'll just 'no you' and ignore it. Echo chamber 'facts' > real facts, to that sort of person.
He wrote a salt novella. That makes you a winner, whether you take it further or not.Yup, I was thinking that before I even dove in. There is no convincing someone who has already convinced themselves. Really, my intention is more to give him a platform to make a fool of himself, and so far I am succeeding. I could start replying with videos from colbert, stewart, and the like...