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So at this point I am wondering if I should take this further, or just agree to disagree and call it a day. What dost thou think, GAF?

Oh how silly of me. I'm only 4 out of the 5 and twice your age but now I'm being told how I feel too. Nah, I know you feel what you feel, but it's still ignorant. The reason I brought age into it is because I have lived through twice the amount of societal change that you have seen, yet I couldn't possibly know I what I know. Then you should know that societal change led to equal rights for minorities though I suppose as a majority you wouldn't be interested in that.So, I'll take this opportunity to clarify. Oh, and I'll even do it without the cussin! How are straight white people being oppressed? Let's see, for the last 7 years and counting we have been living with the first black president why even bring up his race? that was going to fix everything especially the black community, yet race relations are verifiable worse than they have been in 50 years. Yeah those minorities should just stay quiet as the police continue to profile them, sure. All because it is the intention to punish white people as well as this country for our horrible acts of the past... Slavery. Yet, there isn't a person alive today that owned, sold or chained black people as slaves. Is this even a talking point anymore? What is he talking about? What is happening has nothing to do with slavery. Oh and by the way, slavery was created by democrats but now everybody believes it was the republicans. Pretty sure most educated people know this, but ok. So how's that oppressing? Ever heard of affirmative action? The straight thing. If I state that I don't believe in homosexuality must less gay marriage, I'm a horrible human being! Right! Glad we agree, because you are against something that cannot effect you in any other way other than you think it's wrong. With that said, do what you want but when you start trying to make it normal and forcing me to accept it as such, now you made it my business and therefore, my opinion gets heard. God made a man and a women period. I don't believe that but ok. God created marriage.Not your Christian God but ok sure. The government got involved in marriage for $$$ reasons but then along come the gays and their whining about fairness and equal rights, all because of the same $$$ reasons mind you. Yeah I mean wanting fairness and equal rights, let's not be unreasonable!,Then the Supreme Court makes new laws to allow marriage to be redefined and that like it or not oppresses straight people, not today at this minute but digression just needs a start. Ooops, I just realized I offended you and likely many others. I said God created man, woman and marriage. I'm not offended even if I think you are wrong. This entire country was founded under the believe in God, the 10 commandments and our founding fathers incorporated him into the Constitution, bill or rights and the vary fabric that made this country great. They also firmly believed in the separation of church and state. It was a completely different time where the white majority ruled this county surpressing or even owning minorities but yeah great times let's go back to that. Now however it's the goal of the 7 year and counting socialist patterned government to remove God from everything! Sounds good to me. Unless you can prove God is real there is no place for hi in the rules of law when they apply to everybody that lives in this great nation. I could continue but let's move on to the republicans/gun owners/southerners of which according to you are one group. Right there in your own statement you are oppressing me! Daily attacks by the government, media and irresponsible people. The government is "attacking you" daily. Guess I missed that in the news. I not southern but they also have the right of free speech, not just you and your buddies. All of a sudden everybody cares about the right's of the Southerners and their flag when they couldn't care less before but ok sure. I used to be a republican but I don't have representation any longer and I prefer the label Conservative since everything is about labels nowadays. I am definitely a gun owner and pretty much under constant attack by liberals that refuse to even address the true problem much less pass new laws which by the way, screw your new laws! Yeah we definitely don't need laws that prevent guns in the hands of criminals and those not of sound mind. There are already numerous laws on the books that woulda, coulda, and should have prevented every single shooting that has taken place. The United States Constitution grants me the right to keep and bear arms period and based on the recent rulings on gay marriage I feel that now my license that the government says I have to have in order to execute my constitutional right, should be legal in ALL 50 states! ??? Back to the oppression thing, typical liberalism, don't focus on the real problem, let's use this as way to further attack and restrict gun rights. Never mind that every single shooter was on or recently came off prescribed drugs for mental issues! Oh no, guns are the problem..... I think you proved my point about the need for strict gun laws so we agree? Well, I haven't shot anyone and I'm a nut job according to you. Chicago and Washington DC are gun free zones! Yet there are still guns?? It's almost like there are millions of guns in this country and they are easy to get. Strange. Only they are in criminals hands! I think I've already covered the gay marriage thing, but backwards idiots? News flash, for a society to exist the must be standards that are maintained or it will be a free for all. Guess we'll just have to see how that plays out but when pedophiles want to marry little kids or marriages of multiply people start I'll know you're good with it. Yep two consenting adults want to get married and that's the same as child rape. Ok. I'm sure congress is trying to pass that as we speak! The Confederate flag IS a piece of their heritage! Racial heritage yep I agree. Just because it's not yours doesn't mean you or anyone else can ban it because you don't like it. Could say the same about gay sex. If you don't know or like what the south fought for study but the flag didn't represent racism. It was the field battle flag and just because some group of sheet wearin democrats commandeered the flag everybody now says it's racist. You're naive if you think the majority of people use the flag for any other reason than race but ok agree to disagree. Yes, democrats originated the KKK! But you wouldn't know it now days. Sure if you never went to school and why do you keep bringing this up? Nobody was remotely concerned about the confederate flag until some whack job kid shot some black people and he has the flag in some of his pictures. Nah it's always been an issue but it also works both ways. People like yu didn't care about it either. Great, let's go after a flag! Divert the focus off the real issue that I previously covered, the drugs that he and others were on. Now, as far as backwards, hateful, or ignorant views of people. How about you apply that same statement to all the racebaiters and the government that imported protesters to destroy cities after a court ruling they didn't like. Stop watching Fox news immediately please. That is tin foil hat level See, there have been several court rulings and constant erosion of society yet I haven't seen anybody shot, no city burned down, I haven't seen much of anything with regards to resistance from the people that are in the meme Amy post. It's almost as if they are the majority and have had the power since the country's beginning. If anyone of those groups does speak up, let the name calling and defamation begin! All because the "tolerant" liberals won't allow someone to have different views, feelings or believes. You're free to have any views you want as long as they don't impose on others and I have the right to criticize those views. In closing I'll add that the meme left out Christians. Just so you know, church are and have been under attack and the next "my feelings are hurt, I'm offended bandwagon" you'll be able to get on will be the banning of the American flag. Taking things to an extreme I see, yeah it will probably feature a pedophile or beastiality no doubt instead of stars and stripes.

Anyway, I'm really tired and there was a lot of crap to go through but those are my quick thoughts. Good luck with that. There are no reasoning with hateful people of religion because they let faith guide their lives and justify their prejudice which is something that can be argued against. In the end it's a pointless battle.
 
How old is the niece?

Just about to turn 21. I have another niece that is my age (24) and she seems to be a bit better, but still in the same camp. He raised them both with a somewhat iron fist, and they rebelled for a while, but over the last couple of years have been gravitating back. He has also been getting worse with this crap for quite a while.

Made a post a few months back about net neutrality and this was his reply:

The only thing good that will come from this is being able to see the outrage from those of you that believed this was what you were told it was but then I'll quickly realize that that doesn't help. Just know..... the FCC passed legislation that it can not by law do and never released the documentation to be examined. Most importantly the Federal Government ALWAYS has a hidden agenda and the story given to the public is ALWAYS severely lacking or just blatantly wrong. The Federal Government never improves anything..... never has and never will..... Life isn't fair..... no matter how much the wonderful government tries to make you think it is going to make it so. So sad that you, a guy that can't stand Apple don't get it that the United States Federal Government makes Apple look like a mom and pop corner candy store!!!! which I might add no longer exists. Why in the world would you not adamantly object to them controlling even more of your life??? How to do, what to do, where you can do it, when you can do it all with their product(s)...... Some day you'll see.... must be an age thing.......
 
Oh how silly of me. I'm only 4 out of the 5 and twice your age but now I'm being told how I feel too. Nah, I know you feel what you feel, but it's still ignorant. The reason I brought age into it is because I have lived through twice the amount of societal change that you have seen, yet I couldn't possibly know I what I know. Then you should know that societal change led to equal rights for minorities though I suppose as a majority you wouldn't be interested in that.So, I'll take this opportunity to clarify. Oh, and I'll even do it without the cussin! How are straight white people being oppressed? Let's see, for the last 7 years and counting we have been living with the first black president why even bring up his race? that was going to fix everything especially the black community, yet race relations are verifiable worse than they have been in 50 years. Yeah those minorities should just stay quiet as the police continue to profile them, sure. All because it is the intention to punish white people as well as this country for our horrible acts of the past... Slavery. Yet, there isn't a person alive today that owned, sold or chained black people as slaves. Is this even a talking point anymore? What is he talking about? What is happening has nothing to do with slavery. Oh and by the way, slavery was created by democrats but now everybody believes it was the republicans. Pretty sure most educated people know this, but ok. So how's that oppressing? Ever heard of affirmative action? The straight thing. If I state that I don't believe in homosexuality must less gay marriage, I'm a horrible human being! Right! Glad we agree, because you are against something that cannot effect you in any other way other than you think it's wrong. With that said, do what you want but when you start trying to make it normal and forcing me to accept it as such, now you made it my business and therefore, my opinion gets heard. God made a man and a women period. I don't believe that but ok. God created marriage.Not your Christian God but ok sure. The government got involved in marriage for $$$ reasons but then along come the gays and their whining about fairness and equal rights, all because of the same $$$ reasons mind you. Yeah I mean wanting fairness and equal rights, let's not be unreasonable!,Then the Supreme Court makes new laws to allow marriage to be redefined and that like it or not oppresses straight people, not today at this minute but digression just needs a start. Ooops, I just realized I offended you and likely many others. I said God created man, woman and marriage. I'm not offended even if I think you are wrong. This entire country was founded under the believe in God, the 10 commandments and our founding fathers incorporated him into the Constitution, bill or rights and the vary fabric that made this country great. They also firmly believed in the separation of church and state. It was a completely different time where the white majority ruled this county surpressing or even owning minorities but yeah great times let's go back to that. Now however it's the goal of the 7 year and counting socialist patterned government to remove God from everything! Sounds good to me. Unless you can prove God is real there is no place for hi in the rules of law when they apply to everybody that lives in this great nation. I could continue but let's move on to the republicans/gun owners/southerners of which according to you are one group. Right there in your own statement you are oppressing me! Daily attacks by the government, media and irresponsible people. The government is "attacking you" daily. Guess I missed that in the news. I not southern but they also have the right of free speech, not just you and your buddies. All of a sudden everybody cares about the right's of the Southerners and their flag when they couldn't care less before but ok sure. I used to be a republican but I don't have representation any longer and I prefer the label Conservative since everything is about labels nowadays. I am definitely a gun owner and pretty much under constant attack by liberals that refuse to even address the true problem much less pass new laws which by the way, screw your new laws! Yeah we definitely don't need laws that prevent guns in the hands of criminals and those not of sound mind. There are already numerous laws on the books that woulda, coulda, and should have prevented every single shooting that has taken place. The United States Constitution grants me the right to keep and bear arms period and based on the recent rulings on gay marriage I feel that now my license that the government says I have to have in order to execute my constitutional right, should be legal in ALL 50 states! ??? Back to the oppression thing, typical liberalism, don't focus on the real problem, let's use this as way to further attack and restrict gun rights. Never mind that every single shooter was on or recently came off prescribed drugs for mental issues! Oh no, guns are the problem..... I think you proved my point about the need for strict gun laws so we agree? Well, I haven't shot anyone and I'm a nut job according to you. Chicago and Washington DC are gun free zones! Yet there are still guns?? It's almost like there are millions of guns in this country and they are easy to get. Strange. Only they are in criminals hands! I think I've already covered the gay marriage thing, but backwards idiots? News flash, for a society to exist the must be standards that are maintained or it will be a free for all. Guess we'll just have to see how that plays out but when pedophiles want to marry little kids or marriages of multiply people start I'll know you're good with it. Yep two consenting adults want to get married and that's the same as child rape. Ok. I'm sure congress is trying to pass that as we speak! The Confederate flag IS a piece of their heritage! Racial heritage yep I agree. Just because it's not yours doesn't mean you or anyone else can ban it because you don't like it. Could say the same about gay sex. If you don't know or like what the south fought for study but the flag didn't represent racism. It was the field battle flag and just because some group of sheet wearin democrats commandeered the flag everybody now says it's racist. You're naive if you think the majority of people use the flag for any other reason than race but ok agree to disagree. Yes, democrats originated the KKK! But you wouldn't know it now days. Sure if you never went to school and why do you keep bringing this up? Nobody was remotely concerned about the confederate flag until some whack job kid shot some black people and he has the flag in some of his pictures. Nah it's always been an issue but it also works both ways. People like yu didn't care about it either. Great, let's go after a flag! Divert the focus off the real issue that I previously covered, the drugs that he and others were on. Now, as far as backwards, hateful, or ignorant views of people. How about you apply that same statement to all the racebaiters and the government that imported protesters to destroy cities after a court ruling they didn't like. Stop watching Fox news immediately please. That is tin foil hat level See, there have been several court rulings and constant erosion of society yet I haven't seen anybody shot, no city burned down, I haven't seen much of anything with regards to resistance from the people that are in the meme Amy post. It's almost as if they are the majority and have had the power since the country's beginning. If anyone of those groups does speak up, let the name calling and defamation begin! All because the "tolerant" liberals won't allow someone to have different views, feelings or believes. You're free to have any views you want as long as they don't impose on others and I have the right to criticize those views. In closing I'll add that the meme left out Christians. Just so you know, church are and have been under attack and the next "my feelings are hurt, I'm offended bandwagon" you'll be able to get on will be the banning of the American flag. Taking things to an extreme I see, yeah it will probably feature a pedophile or beastiality no doubt instead of stars and stripes.

Anyway, I'm really tired and there was a lot of crap to go through but those are my quick thoughts. Good luck with that. There are no reasoning with hateful people of religion because they let faith guide their lives and justify their prejudice which is something that can be argued against. In the end it's a pointless battle.
rjinaz please

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Anyway, I'm really tired and there was a lot of crap to go through but those are my quick thoughts. Good luck with that. There are no reasoning with hateful people of religion because they let faith guide their lives and justify their prejudice which is something that can be argued against. In the end it's a pointless battle.

We all know this pursuit is frivolous, but your reply is almost perfect, I will reply to him with it and report back tomorrow
 
We all know this pursuit is frivolous, but your reply is almost perfect, I will reply to him with it and report back tomorrow

I'm sure my groggy and quick reply is far from perfect. I was hoping to just give you some basic ideas. But glad to give you some direction!
 
I am sure with the 4th upon us we will get another wave of gay marriage/confederate flag salt. I have noticed that the two have started merging more in stupid memes and rants.

Idiots are connecting the two, even though one was born out of giving people equal rights and the other out of murder. They seem to be more angry about the rights than the murder.
 
So I took a jab at a family member for posting something, I'll just let it speak for itself:

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This was posted by my niece, who is really just parroting what her dad would say or do.

I replied with "I love you, but this is fucking ignorant" (knowing that she wouldn't take it all that seriously, but her dad would)

So it begins

I kind of like ruffling this guys feathers, because I really don't need to do anything but watch his madness unfold, so I waited

Lo and behold, he replies "According to who?"

This is my chance, no one in my family speaks their mind to this guy, even though most of us agree he is, to say the least, on the nuttier side of things.

So here is where I poke the bear, I reply: "Me, and likely many others. How the fuck are white straight people being oppressed? And Republicans/gun owners/southerners(last 3 are really one group)? There have yet to be any sweeping gun laws preventing anyone from getting access, regardless of education level, mental health, or requirement of proper training. Posts like this are aimed at pandering for two different crowds. 1. Backwards idiots that genuinely believe gay marriage will hurt them in any way and 2. Rednecks that call the confederate flag a piece of their heritage. Though that flag does present an excellent analogy: A group of people with backwards, hateful, or ignorant views that will ultimately be on the losing side of history :)"

That felt pretty good. Kept it pretty short and sweet, and made my point without directly attacking him. I wait a few hours, then check back and get exactly what I was looking for.

His reply:



So at this point I am wondering if I should take this further, or just agree to disagree and call it a day. What dost thou think, GAF?

Damn. That is some pure hardcore salt. Thank you! So enjoyable.
 
I'm happy for them (LGBT that is) and the amount of salt I've seen on Facebook and Twitter has been hilarious. All this talk about oppression and making up these hypothetical scenarios in which they're forced into hiding and stuff it's like...you people are serious?!

Oh and I absoltuely love how so many people are like "we're the minority now" I love writing back "what's wrong with being a minority? Aren't we all treated equally?... :3"
 
So I took a jab at a family member for posting something, I'll just let it speak for itself:

11665685_854311491327917_6082483993384617373_n.jpg


This was posted by my niece, who is really just parroting what her dad would say or do.

I replied with "I love you, but this is fucking ignorant" (knowing that she wouldn't take it all that seriously, but her dad would)

So it begins

I kind of like ruffling this guys feathers, because I really don't need to do anything but watch his madness unfold, so I waited

Lo and behold, he replies "According to who?"

This is my chance, no one in my family speaks their mind to this guy, even though most of us agree he is, to say the least, on the nuttier side of things.

So here is where I poke the bear, I reply: "Me, and likely many others. How the fuck are white straight people being oppressed? And Republicans/gun owners/southerners(last 3 are really one group)? There have yet to be any sweeping gun laws preventing anyone from getting access, regardless of education level, mental health, or requirement of proper training. Posts like this are aimed at pandering for two different crowds. 1. Backwards idiots that genuinely believe gay marriage will hurt them in any way and 2. Rednecks that call the confederate flag a piece of their heritage. Though that flag does present an excellent analogy: A group of people with backwards, hateful, or ignorant views that will ultimately be on the losing side of history :)"

That felt pretty good. Kept it pretty short and sweet, and made my point without directly attacking him. I wait a few hours, then check back and get exactly what I was looking for.

His reply:



So at this point I am wondering if I should take this further, or just agree to disagree and call it a day. What dost thou think, GAF?

It wasn't just slavery that people are upset about by the way. I usually see conservatives use that narrative, but the things that were going on in the 1940s-1960s were TRULY awful. There's still plenty of people that are alive in that time period, so your brother can't use the excuse "no one is alive anymore in that period" :)

Also, good job for standing up against bigotry :)
 
So I took a jab at a family member for posting something, I'll just let it speak for itself:

11665685_854311491327917_6082483993384617373_n.jpg


This was posted by my niece, who is really just parroting what her dad would say or do.

I replied with "I love you, but this is fucking ignorant" (knowing that she wouldn't take it all that seriously, but her dad would)

So it begins

I kind of like ruffling this guys feathers, because I really don't need to do anything but watch his madness unfold, so I waited

Lo and behold, he replies "According to who?"

This is my chance, no one in my family speaks their mind to this guy, even though most of us agree he is, to say the least, on the nuttier side of things.

So here is where I poke the bear, I reply: "Me, and likely many others. How the fuck are white straight people being oppressed? And Republicans/gun owners/southerners(last 3 are really one group)? There have yet to be any sweeping gun laws preventing anyone from getting access, regardless of education level, mental health, or requirement of proper training. Posts like this are aimed at pandering for two different crowds. 1. Backwards idiots that genuinely believe gay marriage will hurt them in any way and 2. Rednecks that call the confederate flag a piece of their heritage. Though that flag does present an excellent analogy: A group of people with backwards, hateful, or ignorant views that will ultimately be on the losing side of history :)"

That felt pretty good. Kept it pretty short and sweet, and made my point without directly attacking him. I wait a few hours, then check back and get exactly what I was looking for.

His reply:



So at this point I am wondering if I should take this further, or just agree to disagree and call it a day. What dost thou think, GAF?

Just ignore him completely and direct a reply to your niece:

My dearest niece _______,

I know you were raised to think a certain way, but I hope that in time you learn to think for yourself and turn out to be more intelligent than my moronic brother. People in the future will look back on the ignorant people of today like they do those who opposed interracial marriage in the 1960s, or those who opposed women's right to vote in the 1920s. In the same way that being gay isn't a choice, neither is being born to dumb parents.

Sincerely,
vash2695​
 
His reply:

W-wow. There's so much factually wrong, and unintentionally (or maybe it is intentional) misleading and twisted "logic" in his response that it would literally take a dissertation and an entire chapter in history to objectively correct his flawed worldview. I weep for humanity knowing this is the kind of person who drinks up the propaganda spouted by the right-wing conspiracy nuts.
 
Thanks for all the replies! =D

I just sent a tweaked version of rjinaz's retorts, and am eagerly awaiting the next reply and inevitable salt
 
I got into a argument with my fam over this already on holiday weekend.

"They said gays can marry now!! This countries going to shit"

me-"Who cares if they can?? It doesn't affect you what so ever, if a gay person wants to marry let them,"

Then they decided to go 0-2 bringing up the confederate flag.

me-"Yeah the schwastika is relevant in German history too but you don't see them hanging the flag over govt buildings, hell the feds should have taken down that hateful and traitorous shit a long time ago. I don't know of any other country that let's flags of insurrection hang on their crap. Oh and if it's such a fucking sacred icon then why is it predominately displayed on every fucking white supremacist that commits hate crimes against innocent people, ffs confederate flag tattoos are paired more often with a schwastika than PB&J"

Then I kind of pissed em off more by saying "Hell I wish more straight women had the personality of a gay man, whenever I get hit on by a gay man at a bar they always offer to buy a drink. They're super polite and make you feel wanted where most women nearly always play games exploring all the options and playing all the angles. My ex-gfs gay friends would give me compliments more than she would. Noticing when I got a tan and was working out and shit, she never gave me shit for compliments"

So yeah, that conversation went over real well..
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I apologize if the last bit sounds sexist towards straight women.
 
W-wow. There's so much factually wrong, and unintentionally (or maybe it is intentional) misleading and twisted "logic" in his response that it would literally take a dissertation and an entire chapter in history to objectively correct his flawed worldview. I weep for humanity knowing this is the kind of person who drinks up the propaganda spouted by the right-wing conspiracy nuts.

Sadly, this is a general rule:

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So I took a jab at a family member for posting something, I'll just let it speak for itself:

11665685_854311491327917_6082483993384617373_n.jpg


This was posted by my niece, who is really just parroting what her dad would say or do.

I replied with "I love you, but this is fucking ignorant" (knowing that she wouldn't take it all that seriously, but her dad would)

So it begins

I kind of like ruffling this guys feathers, because I really don't need to do anything but watch his madness unfold, so I waited

Lo and behold, he replies "According to who?"

This is my chance, no one in my family speaks their mind to this guy, even though most of us agree he is, to say the least, on the nuttier side of things.

So here is where I poke the bear, I reply: "Me, and likely many others. How the fuck are white straight people being oppressed? And Republicans/gun owners/southerners(last 3 are really one group)? There have yet to be any sweeping gun laws preventing anyone from getting access, regardless of education level, mental health, or requirement of proper training. Posts like this are aimed at pandering for two different crowds. 1. Backwards idiots that genuinely believe gay marriage will hurt them in any way and 2. Rednecks that call the confederate flag a piece of their heritage. Though that flag does present an excellent analogy: A group of people with backwards, hateful, or ignorant views that will ultimately be on the losing side of history :)"

That felt pretty good. Kept it pretty short and sweet, and made my point without directly attacking him. I wait a few hours, then check back and get exactly what I was looking for.

His reply:



So at this point I am wondering if I should take this further, or just agree to disagree and call it a day. What dost thou think, GAF?

It's really impossible to argue against any of that, because none of those things are real.

I am sorry you have someone this fucking crazy in your family.
 
I'm happy for them (LGBT that is) and the amount of salt I've seen on Facebook and Twitter has been hilarious. All this talk about oppression and making up these hypothetical scenarios in which they're forced into hiding and stuff it's like...you people are serious?!

Oh and I absoltuely love how so many people are like "we're the minority now" I love writing back "what's wrong with being a minority? Aren't we all treated equally?... :3"

You know they are getting hard ons about all their underground rebels in hiding fantasies.
 
So at this point I am wondering if I should take this further, or just agree to disagree and call it a day. What dost thou think, GAF?


If you want to take it further (but please don't):

This entire country was founded under the believe in God, the 10 commandments and our founding fathers incorporated him into the Constitution, bill or rights and the vary fabric that made this country great.
False

The 1st admentment of the consistuition says:
Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion

John adams in the tripoli treatys said:
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

Thomas Jefferson:
Our civil Rights have no dependance on our religion

Oh and by the way, slavery was created by democrats but now everybody believes it was the republicans

This is ture but if you have been paying attention you would have reliesed that they have switched. The democrat party today is a completely different party then is was 100+ years ago.

The parties have switched. They are no longer what they used to be.

Guess we'll just have to see how that plays out but when pedophiles want to marry little kids or marriages of multiply people start I'll know you're good with it.
Inter-racial marraige was thought to be agianst god, was thought to bring the end of time, was thought to bring incest and pedophile.

How however it's the goal of the 7 year and counting socialist patterned government to remove God from everything!
Because it should be

E Pluribus Unum was considered a de facto motto of the United States until 1956 when the United States Congress passed an act (H. J. Resolution 396), adopting "In God we trust" as the official motto.
 
It's easily brushed off.

"All of us are tempted to sin. It's in our nature. What makes us Christian is choosing to follow in Jesus' path despite our sinful nature."
God is a bully who put ants in a maze and likes to squash them for being attracted to sugar.
 
This is ture but if you have been paying attention you would have reliesed that they have switched. The democrat party today is a completely different party then is was 100+ years ago.

The parties have switched. They are no longer what they used to be.

It's not even true based on the way he phrased it. Neither of the parties "created" slavery, slavery in the US has been around since way before the Independence. If anyone is to blame it's the Spanish - they got that ball rolling all the way back in 1526.

Wouldn't use that as a counter-argument though, makes you come off as a know-it-all. And vash2695, I think you should just call an early victory. You'll just continue talking around each other. Looks like all his talking points are straight from the conservative media. His camp is going to think he's won no matter what anyway and if you continue to bait him it could just lead to bad blood with that part of the family. Not worth it.
 
Vash, I may be a bit tipsy and listening to "Death" by Viet Kong. That being said, go to war with this motherfucker.

Make it as awkward as possible next time you're at a family gathering.
 
To all those arguing with family this weekend--

I"m enjoying a vacation with my solidly liberal in-laws. I think the biggest political argument we're likely to get into is how viable Bernie is (we all like him).

Even the more conservative members of my own family are either quiet about this, or support gay marriage as an outlier in their political portfolio.
 
It's not even true based on the way he phrased it. Neither of the parties "created" slavery, slavery in the US has been around since way before the Independence. If anyone is to blame it's the Spanish - they got that ball rolling all the way back in 1526.

ah, my bad

Thanks for the information.
 
Unfortunately it's not that simple. Even if someone believed that deep down, they could easily counter it with "well aren't pedophiles born that way too?" etc etc. The argument needs to be paired with the "hurts no one" argument, and probably the Leviticus fallacy too.

Ah but you are using a secular definition of harm. But you can't see the mystical soul harm caused by sin.
 
It's been a whole week, have the conservative wildebeests forgotten about gay marriage yet and moved on to outrage over something else that represents the liberals taking over their country?

(Honestly it does seem like a lot of it has died down, I've seen more Confederate flag stuff over the past couple of days than marriage-related things. Maybe that's just because of the holiday, though.)
 
It's been a whole week, have the conservative wildebeests forgotten about gay marriage yet and moved on to outrage over something else that represents the liberals taking over their country?

(Honestly it does seem like a lot of it has died down, I've seen more Confederate flag stuff over the past couple of days than marriage-related things. Maybe that's just because of the holiday, though.)

I think they're prepared to dig their heels in pretty deep with this one. Many are calling this their "Roe vs Wade" of the generation, but hopefully it doesn't last quite as long (aka forever...)

I guess the thing to take away is now they have to run on a platform of taking away rights with this. Though unfortunately now they're using the handbook of making themselves the oppressed class that needs protecting.
 
So I took a jab at a family member for posting something, I'll just let it speak for itself:

I think you could have done without the cursing, imo. But wow, that guy seriously has his bases covered with every Conservative delusion I can think of. I don't think individuals with this attitude will ever change their minds.
 
You can't beat these people, like you can't convince an Amish person to not shun their gay daughter. They're too brainwashed by years of isolation. Now that you have the internet, they're shocked to learn there are people who feel the opposite of them.

Sadly, I'm sick of seeing families get torn apart thanks to Facebook politics. Families that happily would have never shared their politics are suddenly attacking each other because "I saw you liked that liberal page" or "that meme you shared offended my personal beliefs".

Facebook didn't show up until I was 30. I grew up without a real dad but 5 or 6 strongly Republican uncles. They were my dads and I did everything with them. I rarely talked politics or religion. 30 years with maybe a few uncles of mine being like "what, you're atheist?" and laughing, shaking their head and saying I'll get over it and then forgetting it ever happened.

Now thanks to Facebook I've actually lost a lot of those relationships because they see me posting liberal images and they've become angry and pissed off that I would feel the way I do. Worried I'm going to "infect" their children, making their kids block me for example. I tried to find social outlets where I could be myself and maybe censor myself, but people keep fucking adding me. "WHY WON'T YOU ADD ME ON TWITTER". Well, because I'd like one social media outlet where I can actually be myself? Where people aren't going to judge me because I feel differently than they do? Where I can just rant and then read celebrity quips?

One uncle of mine whom I was least connected to, but still had some good times with has said "I didn't realize you were so into video games and movies - I thought you were more of a real guy and just having some troubles getting a real job like construction or manufacturing. Instead you're a kind of liberal art government handout man child. I'm sad to see that. But you won't take my guns away from me and can keep those faggot friends of yours that you talk to on Facebook - keep that shit away from me and my family.

Ignorance was bliss, I guess. I could have just never known these people I love and care about were such closet assholes. I suppose I should thank social media for making me realize they are, but...honestly? I miss my uncles.
 
So I took a jab at a family member for posting something, I'll just let it speak for itself:

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This was posted by my niece, who is really just parroting what her dad would say or do.

I replied with "I love you, but this is fucking ignorant" (knowing that she wouldn't take it all that seriously, but her dad would)

So it begins

I kind of like ruffling this guys feathers, because I really don't need to do anything but watch his madness unfold, so I waited

Lo and behold, he replies "According to who?"

This is my chance, no one in my family speaks their mind to this guy, even though most of us agree he is, to say the least, on the nuttier side of things.

So here is where I poke the bear, I reply: "Me, and likely many others. How the fuck are white straight people being oppressed? And Republicans/gun owners/southerners(last 3 are really one group)? There have yet to be any sweeping gun laws preventing anyone from getting access, regardless of education level, mental health, or requirement of proper training. Posts like this are aimed at pandering for two different crowds. 1. Backwards idiots that genuinely believe gay marriage will hurt them in any way and 2. Rednecks that call the confederate flag a piece of their heritage. Though that flag does present an excellent analogy: A group of people with backwards, hateful, or ignorant views that will ultimately be on the losing side of history :)"

That felt pretty good. Kept it pretty short and sweet, and made my point without directly attacking him. I wait a few hours, then check back and get exactly what I was looking for.

His reply:



So at this point I am wondering if I should take this further, or just agree to disagree and call it a day. What dost thou think, GAF?

You can easily take that all down. Point out that people who suffered under segregation today are still alive. Also point out that Dylan Storm Roof was not recently taken off meds. I would love to make a list of all the bullshit that's flat out incorrect there but that's a lot of work because, let's face it. That's a lot of bullshit.
 
Just ignore him completely and direct a reply to your niece:

My dearest niece _______,

I know you were raised to think a certain way, but I hope that in time you learn to think for yourself and turn out to be more intelligent than my moronic brother. People in the future will look back on the ignorant people of today like they do those who opposed interracial marriage in the 1960s, or those who opposed women's right to vote in the 1920s. In the same way that being gay isn't a choice, neither is being born to dumb parents.

Sincerely,
vash2695​

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You can easily take that all down. Point out that people who suffered under segregation today are still alive. Also point out that Dylan Storm Roof was not recently taken off meds. I would love to make a list of all the bullshit that's flat out incorrect there but that's a lot of work because, let's face it. That's a lot of bullshit.
So true. How I would love to point out all of the blatantly ignorant lies in that post, but there was so much I didn't even finish reading it.

Just ignore him completely and direct a reply to your niece:

My dearest niece _______,

I know you were raised to think a certain way, but I hope that in time you learn to think for yourself and turn out to be more intelligent than my moronic brother. People in the future will look back on the ignorant people of today like they do those who opposed interracial marriage in the 1960s, or those who opposed women's right to vote in the 1920s. In the same way that being gay isn't a choice, neither is being born to dumb parents.

Sincerely,
vash2695​
About as good a response as I could imagine.
 
Yeah, when Canada legalized it 10 years ago there was a lot less of a ruckus, both here, and around the world. Then again, I largely chalk that up to social media. When Canada legalized same-sex marriage I think Facebook was like 2 years old or less?
Yeah. Back then FaceBook was still small and not filled with the people there are now. (I didn't join until 2008) And Twitter didn't even exist. Social media was a completely different beast. No one was going crazy on MySpace... were they?
 
I think you could have done without the cursing, imo. But wow, that guy seriously has his bases covered with every Conservative delusion I can think of. I don't think individuals with this attitude will ever change their minds.

I think you're right, going forward I'll keep it cleaner, leave no points to attack
 
What the?
Zimbabweans are not Arabs :/
This was on many Arabic media outlets out there thats all.

And it was supposed to be a joke/funny in case you missed it -_-

As I was saying:
Brave said:
There's a couple notable tweets that stood out, and they reference a couple sayings that may or may not be true (I really don't know) so I though I would share them here.
 
I see your point, but again you can easily prove that some are born gay, and when you do, that makes the statement 'God didn't do that, they did so themselves' invalid. Now there's of course people who will still challenge this, but in this case the argument is completely religious-free.

The fact that some people are born gay is actually the only thing I need to prove to myself as a religious person that it can't be a sin. Ultimately, it won't matter to me either way since I believe it's a personal right.

smh... dude if your gay you was born that way.. some people lol some my not realize it for awhile, but your born that way plain and simple....
 
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