kyliethicc
Member
So you think the names of the engineers assigned to the various games are made up?
Gematsu reports that there is a document with several announced and unannounced SIE titles [Document has leaked]
Rykan
Member
Either made up or simply found on Linkedin and put onto the document, yes.
kyliethicc
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Why are some people pretending this is all Sony is doing after they literally said they have like over 25 games from their 1st party stydios alone and when projects like Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine aren't listed?
remember_spinal
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yurinka
Member
Let's list a few reasons of why this document is a fake:
- GaaS is not a game genre, it's a business model. This is written by someone without basic gamedev knowledge
- Same goes with open world and rogelike, aren't genres
- Ronin shows "TBC" as genre and engine (they started to work in this game 7 years ago, obviously Sony knows the genre and engine since the moment they signed the game)
- Horizon VR doesn't have listed a game engine, wtf
- London's engine listed as "Custom" instead mentioning its name like in the case of Decima or Unreal. This isn't a Sony employee and doesn't have that Decima is also a custom engine
- Ballistic Moon is listed as using Decima as engine. This is wrong, they are confirmed to be using Unreal Engine 5 for their game. They even mentioned multiple times on their Twitter and even shown photos of themselve using UE
- It's also funny that the supposed leaker forgot to mention PS4 when listing platforms
- If they include XDEV Japan titles and this list is old, where is Death Stranding Director's Cut or Stellar Blade?
- If they include 1st party European internal studios like Guerrilla or Firesprite, why don't they also mention Media Molecule, Housemarque and the other Firesprite projects? And how about Arrowhead and Helldivers 2, wasn't it supposed to be released in 2022 according to the Nvidia list and there was even a leaked short video?
- It shows as "primary engineer" a "junior engineer. How would Sony place as a primary engineer a junior engineer? It's a dumb idea, they should be a lead engineer or at least a senior engineer. This list has been written by someone without basic gamedev knowledge. It's a clear fake.
- Why would Sony need to list the game engines, platforms or if games are multiplayer or not in an excel file? Doesn't make sense. If it's to know in what projects XDEV Europe has some of their engineeers assigned or in charge, they'd only assign the name of the project and the name of the dev.
- Sony said multiple times they won't release their games day one on PC even explained it with a drawing but some fake leakers and forum posters don't want to accept it.
The list misses PlayStation Europe games from Firesprite, Housemarque or Media Molecule and also includes XDEV Japan games, but also misses games from them. It's a fake.
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TheGodfather07
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Ive been accepting of cross gen, due to exceptional circumstances like the pandemic but 2023 is a step over the line for me if sony are still releasing cross gen games. There are good signs though, with spider-man 2 and Wolverine being confirmed as PS5 only.
yurinka
Member
It's a made up document.
The list mentions that some games are supposed to have a "junior programmer" as "Primary engineer", which is a nonsensical thing that no game company would do.
It's completely made up document by someone without basic game development knowledge. Someone that doesn't even know that GaaS, open world and roguelike aren't game genres.
Someone that doesn't even know the projects that Sony Europe, XDEV Europe and XDEV Japan has and which engines some of them are using even for a project they had under development for several years (Ronin, 7 years).
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
lol go worry about if cops can drive cars in the 2023 update for Cyberpunk
A GaaS The Getaway?
I'm more interested to know what the Survival Horror is on Decima from Ballistic Moon
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Bernd Lauert
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PC bros eating good. Also list is definitely real if yurinka is already coping 
remember_spinal
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im really not sure whats bad about that list for some people. I swear gamers expectations are just threw the roof at this point. We already know this is just the uk/Xdev section of their studios and if they had a showcase on just these games and some 3rd party it would have been hype as hell wtf lol
A new AAA wacky Kojima game? That alone is a megaton 'one more thing' moment, how often do we get Kojima games? A new AAA Twisted Metal? I know its not a big IP anymore but im interested in hell to see what that looks like. I loved twisted metal and this may not even be a GAAS title from the look of that list.
A couple AAA narrative driven survival horror games? That would go off in an October showcase. A horizon expansion and multiplayer? New open world game by Sumo? That could be anything at this point.
Thats like an A+ show, without spider-man 2, Wolverine, any western announcements, or PSVR2
A new AAA wacky Kojima game? That alone is a megaton 'one more thing' moment, how often do we get Kojima games? A new AAA Twisted Metal? I know its not a big IP anymore but im interested in hell to see what that looks like. I loved twisted metal and this may not even be a GAAS title from the look of that list.
A couple AAA narrative driven survival horror games? That would go off in an October showcase. A horizon expansion and multiplayer? New open world game by Sumo? That could be anything at this point.
Thats like an A+ show, without spider-man 2, Wolverine, any western announcements, or PSVR2
kyliethicc
Member
Death Stranding 2 isn't gonna be on PS4.
Sony would have made Death Stranding Director's Cut be on PS4 too (like Ghost) if it was.
I think the doc itself could be, but almost all of the info matches with what is known publicly.
Seems like a legit leak of info regardless of how authentic the claimed origin of the info is.
vivftp
Member
Folks be crazy
It's just a fraction of what SIE's got in the works and just these projects alone create a lot of intrigue and interest. When we get their showcase they could probably fill it completely with first party and console exclusive content and pull off a 45+ minute event. Assuming they wanna go that hard, of course.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
True, I love The Getaway and a reboot is welcome, but I want to see that Ballistic Moon thing lol It could be nothing at all too lol
GAAS would make sense with Getaway as it doesn't mean like a genre, merely that they'd be able to make money with some online thing or something as I'm sure it would have some MP mode to keep up with the whole GTA concept or co-op or something.
tommib
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Go, away, Bernd. Stop bringing your warring/coping posts into every thread. It's tiring and borderline pathetic. We're tired of your gotcha posts. Move on. Fight life. Take your wife to a Michelin restaurant.PC bros eating good. Also list is definitely real if yurinka is already coping
tommib
Banned
Typos, redundant/inconsistent information, bad layout, missing column titles. It's for sure not official and just a 4chan put together list of available information from LinkedIn and other channels. Most of that information is known.
remember_spinal
Banned
Folks be crazy
It's just a fraction of what SIE's got in the works and just these projects alone create a lot of intrigue and interest. When we get their showcase they could probably fill it completely with first party and console exclusive content and pull off a 45+ minute event. Assuming they wanna go that hard, of course.
Yeah, like do people realize outside of horizon and a couple other games this is almost entirely Xdev projects? Thats one studio pretty much. The entire list is comprised like 4 actual sony studios, housemarque is just a port so 3.
Outside of Firesprite, London, guerrilla, and insomniac, the rest of sonys first party studios is a mystery. Thats liek 14 studios with no announced games after this year
remember_spinal
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Yeah, i mean its kind of whatever though. Nothing on it is actually wrong, the only thing the authenticity of it would bring into question is the horizon remake/remaster as of right now thats a pretty big contention point.
The rest of it is just stuff we know aside from the sumo game. That sounds kind of random for a fake
Also if the leaks fake i guess the Guerrilla multiplayer game wouldn't necessarily be Horizon. I think it's real btw
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kyliethicc
Member
Wouldn't surprise me if the source of the info is the same as the Helldivers 2 trailer leak, the Returnal and Sackboy PC video leaks, and the TLOU Part 1 gameplay leaks, which a Naughty Dog dev said were from an external partner. All of it could be leaked/hacked info from external testers. We know Sony's been leaky this year.
So just like the Nvidia leak, I think this list is good info on real games. Not just mere guesswork.
remember_spinal
Banned
Good point. Sony has been full on leak city this year. I'm really surprised that last state of play didn't have any major leaks, even the snitch got it wrong.
It's probably a miracle they mostly managed to keep wolverine a secret. I dont think we'll be having big bombs dropped on us anymore in this era. Insiders and leakers are just too thirsty for clicks.
Wolverine was the last of its ind
Bernd Lauert
Banned
It's real, bro. Several people have confirmed it. I had to call him out after him still denying the 100% real Nvidia leak
vivftp
Member
Yup, SIE studios + partner studios like Deviation, Firewalk and Arrowhead who're making first party games. Then there's additional remaster content like Horizon Zero Dawn seen here, and the rumored TLOU2 Director's Cut. Then SIE published third party content like Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade. Then console exclusive content like FF16 and FF7 Rebirth. Then PSVR2 content, a lot of which would be console exclusive by default. Then there's PC release announcements. Then there's mobile release announcements. Going back to SIE studios, it's also worth keeping in mind that some of them are multi-project now and are continuing to grow, so we will see a faster pace of releases from them than ever before. All of this is before we even discuss normal third party content, which they've been filling their SOP's with this year. There's also games they have marketing deals for like, Hogwarts and Avatar.
There is an absolute metric fuckton of content SIE is sitting on to fill a showcase if they choose to. Anyone who chooses to complain about a small list of titles that comprise a portion of their lineup are missing the big picture.
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JerryinSoCal
Member
Remaster is totally fine, when the PC version game out I wanted them to upgrade the game for PS5, sounds like they are doing a little more than that but either way it won't be $70 to upgrade either.
Roni
Member
great comeback
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Maybe, maybe not. If they add in the MP stuff, adding HFW, they very well can call it Director's Cut Complete Zero Dawn or some shit and it very well could be 70.
They could just have the remaster alone and have it like 39 like we saw from Spiderman, who knows.
lol sad. Move on man, stop fucking forcing this shit in other threads cause your pissed about some other shit. PM it or something.
DenchDeckard
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The only thing that annoys me is the horizon remaster. The rest, like everything I'm excited to see and I'll pass judgement then. There's no way this is everything Sony are working on.
Just hope they have a showcase soon that's not just VR based. We need info on what is coming in 2023. I guess there's nothing for the first 6 months of next year or we would have seen it already? Outside of vr that is.
Are we all on panic watch if there isn't a showcase in October or is it more or less confirmed now?
Just hope they have a showcase soon that's not just VR based. We need info on what is coming in 2023. I guess there's nothing for the first 6 months of next year or we would have seen it already? Outside of vr that is.
Are we all on panic watch if there isn't a showcase in October or is it more or less confirmed now?
Thebonehead
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StealthGoblin
Banned
The only game I'd not heard of on there is 'Carbon'. All the others have popped up on LinkedIn, have already leaked or have now been announced.
The Horizon remaster seems logical given the Netflix deal, but I was lead to believe that Guerilla weren't making a Horizon Online game because I'd heard the game heavily featured guns.
The Horizon remaster seems logical given the Netflix deal, but I was lead to believe that Guerilla weren't making a Horizon Online game because I'd heard the game heavily featured guns.
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rofif
Banned
you don't know what the document is.
It might not even be a document and just someone notes
ParaSeoul
Member
Exactly,the engine listings were the first thing that seemed off to me. Then the entire GaaS thing. Still amazed at how fakes with only the bare minimum of effort put in can rattle gamers this much.
Rykan
Member
There's no reason why anyone would make random notes in excel with vague and useless information like "Roguelike" or "Engine" or even "engineer". As already pointed out, the information on the document isn't even accurate.
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tommib
Banned
If it's just a 10 USD Director's Cut I don't think we should care. If it's a 70 USD release then they need a major backlash. This is not a PS3/PS4 game with pre-rendered video cutscenes that will eventually release on PC. Part 1 needed that remake for the PC release. Zero Dawn has a spectacular version on PC already.
PS: this remaster for PS5 was made because one guy at GG read the VFXVeteran posts "Horizon looks sooooo much better on PC and not on your peasant console".
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Roni
Member
Who's forcing what? My original post had two parts, not my fault the first one hurt so much you blew past the second.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Hope so, and lol at the vfx comment.
Swift_Star
Banned
Because they won't have nothing to fake outrage over if they don't pretend.
custardbun01
Member
What is Ronin and why are we talking about Horizon be rereleased (which nobody really cares about) instead of that?
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
GeForce NOW leak 2.0.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Roni
Member
You're just knocking it out of the park with the comebacks.
BTW
We can start talking about that $70 price tag whenever...
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Rise of the Ronin - game from Team Ninja. It was announced on the last State of Play.
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cash_longfellow
Member
Fake ASF…..Sony ain't rockin out a generic ass Excel doc like thatNew Leaks may be coming soon
Rumor: Horizon Zero Dawn remaster for PS5, Horizon online multiplayer game for PS5 and PC in development
Publisher Sony Interactive Entertainment and developer Guerrilla Games are currently working on a remastered version of Horizon Zero Dawn for PlayStation 5, as well as a Horizon online multiplayer …www.gematsu.com
The SIE document with soon to come games from PlayStation leaked.
. This might be some sort of insider making a document based on what he/she/they/it/their/them/the/alien has "heard", but this is in no way shape or form an official document of any kind. Come on now lol.
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
1. A patch already came out for free.
Horizon Zero Dawn's PS5 upgrade delivers a nigh-on flawless 60fps
In a Gamescom virtual event relatively light on content, the release of a free 60 frames per second PS5 upgrade for Hor…www.eurogamer.net
Play that.
2. A remaster with different models, controls and different features still cost money to create. They have no ode to work for free...
3. I see no where that this would cost $70, the remaster for Spiderman only cost $39.99, so sir...that is a narrative you are forcing with no history of them ever charging that for a remaster.
4. The 2017 game being "perfectly playable" is irrelevant. A remaster is not exclusive to some fucking game that MUST BE UNPLAYABLE to exist, I don't know where you conjured that up from lol
This is likely for those new to the series, new to PS5 etc. Its not based on if some other version is unplayable or something as I'm not sure when that became some fake requirement for a remaster to exist.
@Ghost of Johto lol I see the goal post has moved from "omgz a remake" to now "no needs remasters" lol You don't need shit, its a fucking video game.
Don't buy it. Move on. This is for those who have never played the series and don't simply want a 60fps upgrade.
So.....sorry to say, you folks sound like you are fishing for a reason to rage over a optional remaster, you don't need to buy, thats not targeted for those who already bought it, thats not disrupting any AAA development.
Its basically crying for the sake of crying.
Imagine trying so hard to defend a complete and utter waste of resources and dev time.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
We got a remaster of Last of Us literally 1 year after release and its the best selling version.
So none of that hurt Uncharted 4 or The Last Of Us 2 as those projects were already in development by more staff.
So.....yea, remasters are not "waste of resource" as they take little time, bring in lots of money, help fund those future projects.
I'm defending reality of how business works, those remasters made in 6 months or so by 60 people or something are not stopping 7 year projects by over 2,000 plus people bud. Thats like thinking Bluepoint games making Uncharted Collection was stopping Uncharted 4 lol
It never really makes much sense and none of you have been able to really make any valid points regarding it, simply the claim of a "waste" yet zero fucking evidence to back this point up. It doesn't fucking take 3000 plus developers to do a remaster lol So it seems some of you are deeply confused on that whole thing.
Good luck crying about re-runs lol
Roni
added to ignore. Talk to a brick wall bud lol (sad)T Thief1987 I'm not saying the leak is fake as it sounds like something Sony would do with remasters, simply that adding the Ronin game feels like it was done to make it look legit or something
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