ecosse_011172
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No $ in title?
/Triggered
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Fairgames' director Daniel Drapeau has left Haven Studios and joined WB Games Montreal
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
4D chess.
- Spend billions on studios.
- Leadership leaves or studio closes
- ??????
- Profit.
ElFenomeno
Member
Studio will be shut down before end of year.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Jade Raymond and crew deffo must have cost more than Concord. This could be an absolute nightmare if it gets cancelled.
GymWolf
Member
Sony is looking at 4d chess from the rear view mirror buddy, watch and learn.
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Angry_Megalodon
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Nepotism. Wokies are a strong lobby. No sane company would hire this incompetent after his last 8 years, but WB is more of the same. Then, they will act surprised when layoffs and cancelations happen.
Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
I can guess the kind of "effort" involved.
Sony HQ were the ones getting scammed. SIE execs knew what they were doing with these fake acquisitions. Neon Koei, Haven, Firewalk... this goes beyond the realm of incompetency.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
It's dead. When the game director leaves a year before the game is supposed to launch, things are BAD.
ZehDon
Member
Well, there was some logic in Ryan's play. PlayStation's money maker is PS+, and it doesn't make any of the titles that reliably push the multiplayer subscription. Ryan himself said if COD went exclusive, PlayStation would never recover - it drives PS+ more than any other paid title by a wide margin. After spending over a decade dependent on other people to make their money for them, it was clear Microsoft's moves put the fear of God in to them. (Given that Microsoft's moves happened because Sony apparently tried to buy up literally every single major exclusive - including Starfield - at the start of the gen is more than a little ironic.)
Anyway, Sony's retardation comes from Ryan's attempt to push a square peg through a round hole. After Naughty Dog's huge success in the PS3 era, PlayStation shifted all of its studios into cinematic third person single player games, save for Polyphony Digital. By the time Ryan wanted his own Fortnite, they just weren't built to make that kind of game. But Ryan tried to force it anyway, and Sony's paying for it now. The result of his stupidity is PS5's back half is gonna be a fucking desert, and they've wasted close to a billion in dev costs and counting. And their one big GAAS success - Helldivers 2 - is made by a studio they don't even own whose next title isn't going to be a PS exclusive.
Thanks to Ryan, PS5 is gonna close out with a whimper, PS6 is gonna launch with a slate of cross-gen looking hand-me-downs, and Sony is left trying to clean up after Firewalk, Bungie, and Haven. Worst CEO they've ever had.
willothedog
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SkylineRKR
Member
Game is probably dead at this point. And Haven too.
ecosse_011172
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VolticArchangel
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Kenneth Haight
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ecosse_011172
Banned
Fbh
Member
Dude probably learned from the Jade Raymond playbook.
"So what have you released in the last 10 years?"
"Nothing"
xanaum
Member
He jumped ship before the storm and the imminent wreck. But the real figure behind this chaos, Hermen Hulst, throwing millions into multiple failed GAAS projects is at the very least suspicious and should be audited if nothing shady's going on. It's either massive incompetence or he had something else in it for himself.
ecosse_011172
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It's in the thread title although I understand your confusion due to the missing "$".
Timberwolf25
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No game...no game at all
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
The drop in popularity for metal music can be seen in game development and all society as well thanks to women and gayification. No, really. Game development used to be metal as fuck, throw some tits, throw some muscles in theres, offending someone? what the fuck is even that?? make a metal ass story about killing and stuff, action hero man/woman, done deal.
Nowadays tho? Can';t have that too risky, what do you mean show body skin you sexist pig? Cool metal characters what? No sir, that is offensive, characters need to look like real life depressed people, we do not play games to escape reality, no sir!!!!
The pussification of games in western society lead to this. Enjoy.
Nowadays tho? Can';t have that too risky, what do you mean show body skin you sexist pig? Cool metal characters what? No sir, that is offensive, characters need to look like real life depressed people, we do not play games to escape reality, no sir!!!!
The pussification of games in western society lead to this. Enjoy.
ecosse_011172
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Mercador
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Pretty sure it's Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Prove me wrong bitch.
ecosse_011172
Banned
I will when I can properly understand your illiterate teenage dribble.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
You can't cuz you have no idea what goes behind game development in big companies. I do. I'm an analyst. Theres not a single big corpo game company that doesnt have HR-like training sessions on what to avoid when designing characters, or what predominant color should be used as marketing such as purple, and what can be written and not among many other aspects.
BigBeauford
Member
These developers are no better than those scamming old people on the telephone. Except it's from retards at Sony HQ.
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ecosse_011172
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The fact that in your adorable 1990s-style neanderthal diatribe, you claim that games now don't have "tits, muscles, action heroes nor killing" means you're not to be taken seriously.
Maybe that's the point.....
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
How much of a negative iq one must have to insult me and get offended by an exaggerated shitpost? Lmao chill the fuck down bitch.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
This game's probably dead. It may not have been salvageable after all, sadly.
Just another GAAS down the toilet, I guess :/
Just another GAAS down the toilet, I guess :/
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I ignore Cockatrice so no idea what he said. However, I think there is space and audience in the industry for both "tits, muscles, action heroes nor killing" games AND progressive ones.
One doesn't mean that the other can't succeed.
I feel that the pendulum swung away from male Gen Z target group too much and that can account for part of very low spending on games by this cohort.
Of course economic situation has a lot bigger impact, but audience targeting has suffered. Even Disney is starting to admit that.
ecosse_011172
Banned
I'm relatively new here in a sense so not familiar with your thing, FWIW I'm not offended at all.
More confused...
ecosse_011172
Banned
Of course, I agree.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
You're forgetting about the Bungie buyout that cost Sony $3.6 billion dollars. That was a horrible, horrible purchase. If Sony were to sell Bungie again, they'd get a fraction back of what they paid for that woke has-been studio. To be honest, once Marathon launches and goes down like a lead Zeppelin, selling Bungie is probably the only choice they have.
yurinka
Member
They bought Bungie (one of the most successful console and PC GaaS and new AAA IP teams), an studio of ex-Bungie people and an studio of ex-Rainbow Six Siege, Assassin's Creed and other top Ubisoft (another of the most successful console and PC GaaS and new AAA IP teams) games.
The acquisition was $2.4B to acquire the 100% of the comany, plus up to $1.2B in retention bonuses (at least some of them didn't achieve the condition to get their bonus, or at least their full bonus).
It would be retarded to sell Bungie, since they are generating them a lot of money directly and interectly. Plus now they'll also have Destiny Rising, Marathon and Gummy Bears, which pretty likely will generate them a big chunk of money.
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Kacho
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It's probably only a matter of time until they axe it. Maybe by the end of the year. Sony seems committed to salvaging Marathon so they should just focus on that IMO.
GymWolf
Member
Doesn't WB has shareholders to keep happy?
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
My tag should've been an indication that I sometimes tend to exaggerate even when I like to speak my mind. All good, but seriously though, the stuff I've seen some developers have to go through, the validation process, is hell. Game development used to be simpler as in they didnt need to go through millions of validation processes. Game development hell is due to this and Im not saying ALL women are like this, but the majority of time, certain politically inclined liberal white women damaged a lot of game development in recent times, men as well because they're cucks for them. Theres a reason for the rise of AA and indies, they are almost free of these things. Social media is also another reason. Concord, even from haters around here, agreed that its gameplay loop with a bit of fixing could';ve been great, but everything else killed it. Trust me, men dont want to design and play as obese women. You know who glorify and approve of unhealthy aspects? Yep, other women. Call me crazy, but if you look closely youll notice the pattern. Overwatch was initially designed by horny men, who now were fired because of their sexism in the work place, presumably.
ecosse_011172
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Amazing the damage that Ryan and Hulst have done but profits go up and Hulst is still there.
yurinka
Member
Ryan and Hermen achieved the top grossing PS generation, generating more profits than all previous generations combined, the largest active userbase any console brand ever had, and they doubled the first party games revenue, broke sales records with new titles released in 4 of the last 5 years plus won a gazillion awards.
Obviously like in any company they had some mistake and a few projects failed, but overal have been super successful, more than all their predecessors setting new records in almost all metrics. That's why Hermen got promoted.
They are working on Fairgame$
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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I still think it's up for debate how much of this GAAS push was really on Ryan, vs. orders from the top he had to abide by.
Also, you're drinking the kool-aid on some of this, clearly. That rumor of SIE buying up "every single major exclusive" was always bullshit, and we know that now because...where ARE those major exclusives? It's only been some Square-Enix games, a couple of smaller Bethesda ones and...that's about it. Every, and I mean EVERY, other major 3P release from the start of the gen to now has been Day 1 multiplat on both PS and Xbox, and I don't think SIE would have suddenly cancelled exclusivity contracts in the wake of ABK (they'd stand more to lose than gain in that and likely end up paying more for early termination of such deals).
Street Fighter 6? Resident Evil 4 Remake? Monster Hunter Wilds? Silent Hill F? Baldur's Gate 3? Dead Space Remake? Tekken 8? AssCreed Shadows? Metaphor? All of these and many, many more could've been "major exclusive" (which would've had deals set in place back in 2019-2020, 2021-2022 latest) were somehow Day 1 on both PS and Xbox. The few exceptions, like Black Myth Wukong, skipped Xbox Day 1 because of Microsoft's idiotic parity clause between Series S & Series X, and the former being a pain in the ass to optimize those types of intensive games for. I always found that rumor suspect and a cover excuse for MS (and MS sycophants) to hide behind as a validation for purchasing Zenimax & ABK, and that hasn't changed to this day.
If you're implying SIE were trying to buy exclusivity on just Bethesda games and hence that's why MS bought Zenimax...it still isn't a good justification on MS's end. Nothing stopped them from bidding against SIE for exclusivity rights to those games, and it'd still have been far cheaper than what they paid out for Zenimax. MS buying Zenimax had nothing to do with SIE; it had to do with MS knowing the truth that most of their internal 1P were an utter mess for software development, and knew the smoke-and-mirrors they were selling with most of those trailers at the 2020 Xbox Showcase even before that showcase happened. They needed games that actually stood a chance of coming out (and on time), and needed them as exclusives. That's why they bought Zenimax.
Anyway back to SIE...it's easy to try blaming all the current problems on Jim Ryan, but that reads like Xbox fans who keep trying to blame Xbox's current woes (as a console) on Don Mattrick over 10 years later. It's a simplistic rationalization to the point of sounding ridiculous. Jim definitely made bad calls while running SIE; I'd say the biggest mistake was buying Bungie. All of the experience & knowledge they claimed the acquisition was for, could've been gained in a far less expensive partnership. The Bungie acquisition was 100% reaction to MS buying ABK (something MS didn't "need" to do BTW, and basically guaranteed their traditional strategy intended with Zenimax (via foreclosure on PlayStation) would be immediately negated, forcing them to go 3P due to associated costs), and Bungies BoD have made out like bandits due to it.
But there are other things, like the PC initiative, which I think were from higher-up, and Jim simply following orders. Either that, or he had a realization after retiring, because him admitting that PC is a competitor to PlayStation (which is true) was quite something after all this time. Also, it's not like Jim was making all the decisions himself: isn't it Herman who called Concord "his baby"? Isn't it Herman who wanted shorter window of ports to PC? Well, Herman's still there and still calling a lot of the shots, more than he did when working under Ryan. And now Totoki's a lot more involved, which could be a problem in several ways considering he's very much a fiscals guy to his very core. That hardcore of a fiscals focus making big decisions for a subsidiary steeped in an entertainment space, well it doesn't always tend to work out. It's an extreme example, but look back on Jack Trameil's time running Atari.
I guess my main point being...if you're laying all the blame for SIE's missteps this gen on Jim Ryan, you're ignoring the fact it takes entire teams to run operations as large as PlayStation. Jim Ryan was only part of the problem, not the problem in its entirety.
And I'll be frank, another part of the problem (a bigger part, actually) are the venture capitalists & short-term thinking shareholders/investors, almost all of whom are still present post-Jim Ryan. Who do you think applied pressure & influenced the Bungie purchase? The GAAS push as outlined back in 2022? The continuous price increases (by favoring less subsidization)? I'd blame them a lot more than Jim Ryan, personally.
