Ghost Recon: Future Soldier Beta Thread of key begging
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It's a small thing but it adds up and it says a lot about the entire UI design philsophy imo. The fact that you have a blind menu with even 2 choices is dumb. You shouldn't have to feel around to figure out what is previous or next, even if it is only 2 spaces (and eventually there are 2 more things to unlock so that makes it 5). This doesn't excuse them from requiring a button to switch between factions when the factions are listed vertically to the left of the characters either.
They use a carousel for the gun menu. Why not a carousel for the menu that sits before that.? And speaking of the gun upgrade area, not do you have to rotate though 10 different items instead of being able to just navigate via the 3d breakout but the carousel is in a 3d view which completely obscures what the 2nd option from the left/right are.
What's before underbarrel? What's after side rail? Who knows! Another thing that is puzzling is you can't even hold down left/right to cycle through. You actually have to tap left/right 5 times to get to optics.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
This will probably be all I play when it finally releases. So good, even with just what we got.
fabricated backlash
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So let me break this down for you: I've played 5 matches today with some buddies. First game we went with 2 Riflemen, 1 Engineer, 1 Scout. Game was easy enough, the Riflemen kept spamming grenades at objectives while the Engineer kept a drone in the air to block squad spawns and the scout (me in this case) kept taking popshots at people.
The second game we went 3 Riflemen and 1 Engineer and won flawlessly. The enemy team never achieved a single objective.
The Scout is completely useless, it's a non class, it is literally the worst choice one can make to help your team. It's basically wasting one of the 6 places in the team. You can't use it to defend, you can't use it to supress, you can't use it for precision as every AR is as accurate and deadly, but with Automatic Fire.
The Engineer is the troll class. Just keep a drone above the enemy teams and the whole idea of squad spawning is useless. Oh but just shoot it down you might say, or just scatter out... Yeah well, thanks to your shilhouette being displayed to the enemy team at all times you have no chance of evading. Watch a hail of grenades raining in on you before you'll be able to shoot that little nimble fuck down. But there are jammers... yeah, and those jammers are oh so portable. First grenade in a proximity of 20 meters will destroy it anyway.
Hell the ARs are so ridiculously overpowered, I killed an entire Fireteam from 20 meters away and had ammo left in the magazine, without going into ADS. Chucked a grenade and got another 3 kills. 6 kills in less than 10 seconds. I ended with 35 kills and 4 deaths... with a standard AK and grenades.
When you play against people who are ignorant about the obvious exploits you can do in this game, it actually starts being fun as it is dependant on skill rather than exploiting the games horrible balance.
The more I play, the more it becomes evident that this game is a nightmare for competitive play. It's great if you want one class to dominate while one is mildly amusing to use and the other is obsolete in every situation presented. I don't find that fun. It's pathethic that after all this time Ubisoft failed to make a class oriented shooter and get the balance right. Instead they decided to focus on gadgets and unlocks out the ass that break the non existing balance even more.
The fact that you can take cover and die fast doesn't make this game a tactical shooter. This is a twitch shooter through and through that wears the skin of a tactical shooter to set itself apart from the rest of those mindless military shooters.
I will still buy the game, but will stay clear of the competitive side as I realize more and more that the problems I've experienced in the Beta are more than just mere balancing issues. They're fundamental design flaws that are unlikely to be fixed, and I for one don't find enjoyment from yet another franchise turned into an inferior COD clone.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
UAV dies in 2 shots and has a giant icon over it at all times. Riflemen get a notification of what is detecting them. ENG is hardly a "troll" class. Also, once the UAV is dead your "silhouette" from that detection is immediately gone.
Also, it's kind of early to be calling any class useless as no one has hit 50 yet. And recon get their stealth camo unlock (while moving) later in the game. Also, they get sub machineguns.
Also, it's kind of early to be calling any class useless as no one has hit 50 yet. And recon get their stealth camo unlock (while moving) later in the game. Also, they get sub machineguns.
You're really getting that message across by buying the game anyway.
fabricated backlash
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I like the way the game plays to be honest. It controls great and that alone should make the cooperative modes like guerilla and 4 player coop a lot of fun. Also, if they add an option to play custom unranked matches where you can turn all of that shit off, like in GRAW, then it could actually be a viable competitive game that does reward skills. COD is an amazing game when played without killstreaks and perks. You can actually get amazing tactical gameplay out of it, and if Ubisoft allows for the same amount of Match customization like in older GR games then there will be no problem for me personal.
Yeah I've heard it today on XBL, some guys were complaining about being on BoDark with us, and that the Ghosts would easily win... then we locked them out with our Fireteam being 3 Riflemen and 1 Engineer to block their squad spawns and dominated the round with them getting 4 points total.
I guess this ridiculous idea comes from the notion that an AK is allways inferior to whatever the US side of a game uses, but given how overpowered both the AK and the ACR are I fail to see a difference. Besides, both sides have access to the exact same equipment so you can troll with the UAV regardless of your spawn. The AK has a smidge more recoil, but it's almost nonexistant anyway so it doesn't even matter.
-The side roll is I guess flicking the analog stick twice in a direction. At least that's how you roll when prone.
That's what I wanted to say but forgot.
The UI and honestly every menu is terrible in this game. Does not look polished whatsoever and to be honest just looks straight out of a PS2 game.
However, I don't mind the in-game graphics, they aren't great but that's not a big deal to me. What I dislike is the crappy frame-rate.
I went from over-hyped to on the fence with this, but as a long time ghost recon fan I REALLY want it to work out.
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Neuromancer
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I got access through Conviction but never got codes to give other people; when/how do I get those?
BootlegSnackz
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Anyone have a 360 code laying around? Please let me know. Thanks yall
Alcoholikaust
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If anyone could PM me a 360 beta key I will never forget it and hook you up with something cool 
Thanks!
Thanks!
Rebel Leader
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Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
There are some really cool things the game does... and some major, major issues.
Unfortunately, I think its biggest issues are ingrained into the game's DNA and I suspect the sort that cannot be changed at this point.
Unfortunately, I think its biggest issues are ingrained into the game's DNA and I suspect the sort that cannot be changed at this point.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Efficiency isn't the only metric used to judge UI. I think it's the most important factor... but there are those who put emphasis on aesthetics or whatever else. The carousel looks pretty cool, and is functional enough. That might have been good enough for them to go with it...
OdysseusVA
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They definitely went with it because it looks cool but it sucks when you're in an intermission with unlock points and you can't even get the upgrade you want in time because you lose 10 seconds just trying to orient yourself
The game was a lot of fun on the 19th. I took a look at some of the unlocks and if the rest of the maps are like the sample we have played, I'm not sure the game can continue being fun after everyone unlocks everything and learns how to spawn camp. I think the one thing I'm having trouble getting over is the whole "wall hack" spotting mechanism. It isn't as big of a deal as I thought it would be based on videos but getting detected is annoying considering how small maps are. It is probably worse now because grenades and AR are so OP but even if that stuff gets balanced I think it will be something that I won't totally ever get over. Spotting on the mini-map should've been enough imo
Lavalamp1138
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Crossed out the one I took. Was successful on the first picked so I dunno if the others have been taken. Thanks for the code, OdysseusVA!
Thanks mate!
The disorientation you get from surviving a frag stinks too. You basically can't do anything for 10 seconds and die even though you managed the miracle of surviving the frag in the first place lol
mickcenary
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Haha. The BIGGEST dick. Seriously. I appreciate them trying to make flashbangs useful and whatnot, but It's just way too long. As far as he carousel gun menu goes, I think it's pretty slick and being able to try out your attachments before you buy is a really nice touch, but yeah, everything else is pure design blasphemy. Are people complaining about this stuff on the forums?
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
I decided against taking the time to put together feedback.
Because I believe the most egregious issues are beyond repair. They are fundamental things. This is the game they made. And they cannot change this late in its development, even if they agreed with the underlying logic. They aren't going to remove frags, or change the animation to make it slower/more risky.
They might tweak stuff. AOE, maybe detonation time... stuff like that. But it kinda is what it is at this point.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I don't understand how people are not having fun with this game. It's an absolute blast, especially with friends.
If they want real feedback on the game, I think they should unlock everything before the beta ends and let people who are familiar with the beta experience what "end game" gameplay/balance is like.
MarleyManiac
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All the 360 codes are taken, if anyone has a 360 code and would PM it to me that would be stellar! Thanks!
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
It's contextual. Need to be close and hit Square or X (PS3/360). Icon doesn't always pop in time though...
Ah that makes it risky to use then. :|
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
I actually quite like the system. And it usually works, especially from behind.
Jsquared77
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I have one if you still need it.
Yes sir, I do!
Jsquared77
Member
PM'ed. I got it from Raptr but I have PS+. So I hope it works. Enjoy
It's just that it gets kinda awkward up close and trying to kill each other with rifles.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
First person to quote this post and successfully guess what food I am craving right now gets a 360 code. Your choices are
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WX3
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Waffles!
Still looking for another code so my son's and I can play together this weekend!
chicken nuggets
EIther way, I'll take any extra code, if anyone has one. 360 please.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
The only two things holding this game back are the lag and the spawn camping. If they can get those in line shit's gonna be fine. The lag should not be this bad, this often.