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GI.biz: Router functions dropped from PS3
- Thread starter Chittagong
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...and so it begins, the mad dash to cut costs to get the system to be not as much in the red while selling at $299.... First the router piece(though it looks like at least one gigabit will remain for the camera maybe).... next maybe a few usb ports.... don't be surprised if even the cheap ass multiple card reader drops off.
NoooOO.
I mean, no more feature cuts! Don't particularly care about the router loss, seeing as any home network nowadays should have one already.
But seriously, why the fuck would a router be expensive?
Isn't a router basically 2+ network cards and something that can intelligently route information flow (i.e. a CPU) .... why wouldn't the CELL be more than capable of handling stuff like that as a part of the OS function?
Does this mean they've actually taken out the dual network ports?!
I mean, no more feature cuts! Don't particularly care about the router loss, seeing as any home network nowadays should have one already.
But seriously, why the fuck would a router be expensive?
Isn't a router basically 2+ network cards and something that can intelligently route information flow (i.e. a CPU) .... why wouldn't the CELL be more than capable of handling stuff like that as a part of the OS function?
Does this mean they've actually taken out the dual network ports?!
i still wonder who green-lit the idea of a 3-port gigabit hub for a game console in the first place. LOL @ the absurdity.
the only thing more absurd was people saying how useful they were. LOL.
cut the rest of the gargabe out of the PS3 now so pricing can be where it needs to be at launch.
the only thing more absurd was people saying how useful they were. LOL.
cut the rest of the gargabe out of the PS3 now so pricing can be where it needs to be at launch.
Chittagong
Gold Member
I'd cut redundant stuff in this order:
1. Ethernet HUB - gone!
2. Second HDMI output
3. 4 USB ports
4. 2 memory card slots
5. WIFI basestation
6. HDD - gone!
7. Blue-Ray
1. Ethernet HUB - gone!
2. Second HDMI output
3. 4 USB ports
4. 2 memory card slots
5. WIFI basestation
6. HDD - gone!
7. Blue-Ray
Wyzdom said:
Well IMO the HD was never planned to be included at launch. I know that pisses off the MMORPG folks and the custom soundtrack people, but I just don't think Sony saw it as a a benefit vs. cost.
Chittagong said:
Yeah I personally think this is a lock to be gone.
Not all 4?
Not gonna happen. Wait.. have we even SEEN memory card slots?
If you get rid of this and #3, how is the PSP going to communicate with the PS3?
JackFrost2012
Banned
The second HDMI slot was just a "look at our huge stats" feature from the start. Who in hell has two HDTV sets side-by-side in the same room? Future headline:
"Sony executives realize most people only watch one TV at a time."
I think the 4 USB slots will become 2. Cause, right.
"Sony executives realize most people only watch one TV at a time."
DarienA said:
I think the 4 USB slots will become 2. Cause, right.
Spider_Jerusalem
Member
No, first they made the hard disk optional ;-)DarienA said:
Chittagong
Gold Member
Isn't there 6 of them? Anyway, 2 you won't need more than two, IMp.DarienA said:
Meaning two out of MMC, SD and MS. I'd kick out MMC and MS, but then again, I bet Sony would go for MS after all.
USB? :lol
EDIT:
Like I recalled, 6 x USB. I'd drop the four front ports. I mean, FOUR, ffs!
Gamespot said:
AndriaSang
Member
This information is old. It was in a next generation feature with the June Nikkei Electronics. The feature states that Sony originally (as in during the early stages of the system's design) considered making the PS3 have router functionality. Kutaragi is then quoted as stating that this was dropped because costs were deemed too high.
The system was never intended to have router functionality when it was shown at E3. According to the article, Sony expects people to already have a home router, and they want people to use it with the PS3. The two additional ports on the back of the PS3 are still there but are to be used for other purposes.
The system was never intended to have router functionality when it was shown at E3. According to the article, Sony expects people to already have a home router, and they want people to use it with the PS3. The two additional ports on the back of the PS3 are still there but are to be used for other purposes.
Ouch, I think that would be a blow... the PSP is Wifi, but the PS3 itself isn't? I don't see that one happening... Though if it did it wouldn't be the first device that was bluetooth equipped, but not wifi equipped.JackFrost2012 said:
I think the 4 USB slots will become 2. Cause, right.
Nyah I don't count that because I think that was always the plan.Spider_Jerusalem said:
anthony said:
The problem with this is that of anything on the PS3 the Blu-Ray functionality is the showpiece of the unit dropping it would be such a huge concession and blow to their "face" that I really just don't see that as a possibility.
EDIT:
chinch said:
True, but If they go the add-on route then it's time for the "Sony is milking us" bitching to start again...
AndriaSang said:
what other functionality needs you to have 3 ethernet sockets?
My PC only has one. Thats what your router is for. If you have three things to attach, you attach them to your router, and then one cable to your PS3. Whats so special about PS3 that it needs dedicated cables? Unless its using ethernet as replacements for USB - eg camera
sonycowboy
Member
chinch said:
Well, a router isn't quite the same as a hub.
Don't you guys know your 7 levels of the OSI model?I'm not quite sure why it was going to be a router in the first place. 95% of every DSL & Cable modem now has this funtionality anyway. It also doesn't seem to provide any cost savings really as the router part is really just software anyway. At least, I'm pretty sure they weren't going to have any specialized hardware in the PS3 for router functionality although such circuitry does exist.
Pudding Tame
Member
I thought the second HDMI out was a freebie because it's part of the Nvidia Graphics Card output.
Also isn't it needed for 1280p? Or can 1 do it?
Also isn't it needed for 1280p? Or can 1 do it?
AndriaSang
Member
The Nikkei article states that Sony has the idea of people connecting using the two LAN ports to connect the PS3 to other home devices. Fort this reason, they have given it Switching Hub functionality. The single WAN port is meant to be hooked up to your ADSL router or Optical Network Unit (ONU). Also, according to the article, Sony expects people to keep their PS3 turned on all the time.
I don't know what any of this means, but that's what the article says.
I don't know what any of this means, but that's what the article says.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Pudding Tame said:
The core functionality in the architecture level might be a freebie, but the ports are not. With a dollar for port and 100 million installed base, that's 100 million USD out of the window, something Sony could use in their bottomline. "But that spreads over many years" I hear someone think. Indeed, but when you start to add those functions on top of each other, you get into billion levels pretty quickly even in the mid-term.
Transformation 60!!
sonycowboy
Member
Pudding Tame said:
1) You mean 1080p
2) There is some question regarding this. There is a certain argument going around that the PS3 prototype shown @ E3 was using HDMI type A ports, which might not be able to support 1080p. I haven't seen anything definative regarding HMDI type A not supporting 1080p, but there are a couple of sites out there that make this claim and since, we've essentially never had 1080p content before, and there are no sets that take 1080p input, it's kind of hard to know for sure.
In any case, I think it's pretty definitive that the PS3 will have 1080p output by virtue of Kaz making such a big deal about and also the fact that the PS3 will be a Blu-Ray player.
AndriaSang said:
all a total waste. No doubt PS3 will wind up eventually with one TX1000 gigabit ethernet port which every cheap, new laptop has anyways. that is essentially "free" over one TX100 fast ethernet port. users will utilize any aftermarket router/switch they so desire (or already own).
monchi-kun
Member
but i was ready to work overtime for this damn system KEN!!!
i'm going to have to get someone to cover for me now....
i'm going to have to get someone to cover for me now....
scissorfight
Banned
Too expensive???
Why can't everyone just work a few more hours for it, eh Ken?
:lol
Why can't everyone just work a few more hours for it, eh Ken?
:lol
AndriaSang said:
Well Kaz has said in a few interviews that they vision a world where using your PSP's wifi connection you connect to a network wherever you are and then from there connect to your PS3 at home... to access content on the PS3... but functionality like that really seems like something that would need a HD to have any sort of real benefit.... and since the HD isn't a part of the launch unit.... well who knows if that functionality will just turn in to another one of those wishful thinking pieces.... unless by turned on the simply mean the PS3's main power switch is always on(similiar to how the PS2's rear main switch is to be left on, and you are really only suppose to use the front "standby" switch).
AndriaSang
Member
The article refers to the PlayStation progression as follows:
1. Playstation: normally stored away, brought out and connected only when used
(Game System)
2. PlayStation 2: kept close to your television always, turned on only when used
(Game System, DVD Player)
3. PlayStation 3: Power always kept on
(Game System, Blu-Ray disk player, Ethernet Swtiching Hub, Wireless LAN Access Point, Control center for your house's storage).
1. Playstation: normally stored away, brought out and connected only when used
(Game System)
2. PlayStation 2: kept close to your television always, turned on only when used
(Game System, DVD Player)
3. PlayStation 3: Power always kept on
(Game System, Blu-Ray disk player, Ethernet Swtiching Hub, Wireless LAN Access Point, Control center for your house's storage).
thorns said:
Fishy? Come on, people. Some of us tried to tell you way back at E3 that they just announced every feature they could imagine including and that it was in no way realistic. This news isn't fishy, it is (or should have been) expected. Expect more to come.
Oh, and that's not really a bad thing. Too much garbage in the original PR.
Is it possible they scrapped the router functionality, not for cost reasons, but because considering that most home users have routers, if they intend to use broadband internet, the PS3 router would conflict with the router inbuilt into those modem/router/switch devices? If not conflict, then add an unecessary complication for the average user...
as for people picking on the second HDMI port...
leave it alone!
I wanna hook up a computer monitor to it, and have a large sized HD panel as the primary display.
as for people picking on the second HDMI port...
leave it alone!
I wanna hook up a computer monitor to it, and have a large sized HD panel as the primary display.
Dr_Cogent said:
Well a common point of debate is that the want the next gen eye toy to be capable of alot more, and in order to accomplish that they need the gigabit speeds... if they keep to that then we'll see at least 2 ports ethernet ports on the PS3.
CaptainStrong
Member
bah, my main beef is Sony is starting to get a reputation for promising and not delivering. i shouldnt need to "expect system downgrades".
represent what you intend for the realistic final product to be. dont steal the show by unveiling a product we wont really be buying.
people on this forum talk as if this is the first of components to be dropped. hope this isnt true.
represent what you intend for the realistic final product to be. dont steal the show by unveiling a product we wont really be buying.
people on this forum talk as if this is the first of components to be dropped. hope this isnt true.
sonycowboy
Member
CaptainStrong said:
Well, in pure technical terms, the PS2 was upgraded and the Xbox and GC were downgraded. (in terms of clock speeds). However, when you consider the PS2's promises of HDD, the CISCO/Real Networks/AOL partnerships, you could certainly make the argument that they had "system downgrades" in a holistic sense.