sonycowboy
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cyberheater said:
What about a USB port or two?
And, startlingly, your request seems to match a certain next gen console to a 'T'. :lol
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GI.biz: Router functions dropped from PS3
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What about a USB port or two?
And, startlingly, your request seems to match a certain next gen console to a 'T'. :lol
No it doesn't as the whole "fact of it" (as you aptly put it) depends on the semantics. If a router was removed then it was removed before we were proimised anything. Otherwise, you can feel free to grab your torch and pitchfork over your dearly missed feature.urk said:
Edit: wow...nice first post
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sonycowboy said:
Except you'd actually have to add a hard drive.
sonycowboy said:I just love these declarationsLet's close up the shop boys. GAF decided it ain't happening
I'm mostly kidding and, while it's certainly true that 1080p will likely not find any level of significant adoption in the next several years, it's an exaggeration to say that "we won't see it anytime in the next generation". Cutting edge A/V folks and gamers are very likely to see it, just not in the absolute immediate future and initially, it ain't going to be cheap.
No, I'm stating that because HDTVs aren't going to be designed to accept a 1080p signal input at 60 fps. Look at the ATSC table 3 formats: http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html
Notice that the highest ATSC table 3 format is 1080i/60 or 1080p/30. Those are the formats that HDTVs are required to accept. Because of that, feeding an HDTV a 1080p/60 signal might not display. You seem to be misconstruing my argument to be "1080p ain't happening" - that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that a full 1920x1080 frame displaying at 60 frames/second is not something an HDTV is designed to display properly. However, 1920x1080 at 30 fps is something an HDTV is designed to display - so expect to see 1080p content at no higher than 30 fps.
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watch the 2nd HDMI port get cut faster than you can say "not enough power to run 2x 1080p" 
Why would it be clear to any literal minded jacktard that an author of an article about networking features in the PS3, who can't seem to make the proper distinction between devices as fundamental in networking circles as a router and a hub, would be assured of accurately communicating the other facts correctly?urk said:
Just google "Playstation 3 Specs" guys...Wakune said:
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/playstation-3/playstation-3-full-specs-103733.php
This sort of news doesn't deem 3 pages of commentary. It was, and is, a useless feature for the majority of ps3 buyers. Instead of wondering what next doohickey will meet the chopping block, I'd rather focus on the potenial suckitude of sony's new controller. But that's another thread.
Gorgie said:
ahh, thanks kaching
The router/switch/hub bit isn't worth 3 pages of discussion...but that's not what the 3 pages are for, in the first place...I doubt more than 4 in this discussion honestly care that it may or may not be cut, it's just FUD at the heart of it. Oaffs and Gaffers up in arms over a chopped feature, it doesn't matter what that feature was
Wakune said:
Wasn't going to say anything about the first one and Decent Online Gaming Service but now that you added another highly questionable add on feature might as well address both.
!) no one knows what Online Gaming Service PS3 is using yet except they do have one they are working on and its in there, maybe and most likely even free.
2) if you are in fact talking about the Xbox 360 when bringing up TiVo then it also needs it added in. The Tivo functions are streamed from a Windows Media Edition XP computer. And again, we still haven't heard what the PS3 has planned in this department.
And on BRD, I would much rather have that feature then most of the other ones. I don't really want to buy a next generation HD-DVD/BRD player by itself, especially since its future is a little blurry but if i'm going to get a PS3 anyways its just icing on the cake and I can still enjoy some BRD movies and not feel bad if the format doesn't take off.
TTP said:
Seems silly to me, seeing as how part of the push of that functionality is that it's IP-based and thus can be accessed from anywhere so long as it's networked correctly - but the chances of you being in Los Angeles trying to access an IP HD Cam in New York and keeping a sustained Gigabit speed connection to the camera is pretty much nil since these things will be connected over home internet connections.
TTP said:
HD? Are you sure about that? The amount of bandwidth on the upstream side required for that isn't that widespread. I'd certainly like to know what kind of codec Sony's using if that's their intention. I'm staring at Windows Media Encoder right now, and the software's HD settings default at 5Mbps.
teiresias said:
How God-damned stupid are people? The differential in price between 10/100MB and 10/100/1000MB is negligable in the current time and it so insignificant it's non-existent when summed-over the lifetime of the PS3.
Supporting these features when it comes to cost reduces to the materialistic cost differential as the bounding function, since once you need to build in the logic for 10/100 support (which both parties are) and pay for the IC, packaging, etc -- the jump from 10/100 to 10/100/1000 is so small it's not even worth talking about how it scales with Moore's law in time. And, as I said, the materialistic cost of the actual recepticals are pennies.
The same goes for the HMDI and Bluetooth and WiFi, and I've already shown how CELL's costs are inline with the $30/IC predictions of several analysists on a materialistic level. The sad fact is that most people just have no clue as to what these costs are and how they scale in time -- but yet they talk incessantly.
teiresias said:
No, wait a sec. I'm not "justifing" the Gigabit thing referring to the use of the HD camera over the net but as an EyeToy 2. The Gigabit thing isn't related to the IP part, but to the HD one. AFAIK you need that bandwidth if you want to feed the system with an HD stream.
EDIT: Yes Xsarien, Masa Chatani clearly talked about HD camera at Sony conf.
Vince said:
I'm merely stating experience I have when buying in "relatively" smaller quantities from IC supplierers such as Digikey. 10/100mb ethernet controller IC's can be had from $10 - $50 depending on features and integrated functionality, but a cursory search at digikey reveals no gigabit ethernet controller IC below $80. Digikey doesn't sell those particular parts in large quantity orders though so I'm not sure exactly how well they scale.
Obviously the ports and everything are trivial in terms of cost, I'm merely saying that it seems rather ridiculous to remove the switch functionality and leave the gigabit ethernet functionality rather than vice versa since the switch functionality is definately the more useful and more applicable of the two options to a great number of people.
xsarien said:That's...insane. I'm really curious as to whether Sony actually expects people to be able to broadcast a full HD signal. I humbly suggest that the camera's ability to do so is merely just Sony showing off.
I've already replyed to that. I dont think Sony expects people to broadcast HD videos. The HD technology is there for its applications as an EyeToy 2 (ability to "read" eyes/fingers movements and so on...)
Dr_Cogent said:
I'm researching that in this very moment.
In the meantime check what I found:
http://www.researchchannel.org/demo/hdip.html
Err..if it wasn't said before, I think it needs to be said again because we're now on Page 3:
Sony did not announce router functionality at E3. In fact they went out of their way in interviews to say it wasn't a router, but a switch.
Sony may have been planning router functionality, privately, before E3 but they never announced it as having such. There was no cut, or no cut to announced spec.
From one such E3 interview, for example, with Sony's CTO:
Arguing over imaginary cuts to spec is kind of funny.
Sony did not announce router functionality at E3. In fact they went out of their way in interviews to say it wasn't a router, but a switch.
Sony may have been planning router functionality, privately, before E3 but they never announced it as having such. There was no cut, or no cut to announced spec.
From one such E3 interview, for example, with Sony's CTO:
Arguing over imaginary cuts to spec is kind of funny.
gofreak, you should quote that at the beginning of each next page
BTW, Masa Chatani isnt just CTO anymore
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10027
BTW, Masa Chatani isnt just CTO anymore
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10027
sonycowboy
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TTP said:
From what I recall, they talked about an IP camera. I remember some reference to it working independantly from the PS3, that it could be setup anywhere and viewed via the PS3 by whomever. I don't believe they honestly meant a HD digital camcorder kind of a thing. Those things will be prohibitively expensive for quite awhile.
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Why does it need usb/hdmi/gigabit ethernet etc...
It's a game console.
Maybe they should sell it in two flavours.
A stripped down version for 99.9999 % percent of us and a version will all the ports and hard drive for the remaining 5 people in the world that would actually use it.
It's a game console.
Maybe they should sell it in two flavours.
A stripped down version for 99.9999 % percent of us and a version will all the ports and hard drive for the remaining 5 people in the world that would actually use it.
