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GI.biz: Router functions dropped from PS3

cyberheater said:
Why does it need usb/hdmi/gigabit ethernet etc...

Try reading and thinking, I'll help ya out:



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http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/howto/articles/UnderstandingHDFormats.aspx#storageneedsforhdcapture said:
Ethernet speeds vary widely. For HD work, you'll want at least a one-gigabit Ethernet, which can realistically achieve several hundred Mbps of bandwidth, and close to 1000 Mbps with good cables and a fast switch. - Microsoft.com, Understanding HD Formats

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Gigabit Ethernet.

Not to mention once you support such standards you can use them in a plathora of ways, perhaps as a single wire connection to other CE equiptment. USB is an industry standard, it's (un)inclusion would be pointless at the price it adds. The same with HDMI, supporting another emergent industry standard for High-Definition... ironic considering another parties media rhetoric in the days upto E3.

See, all these things have a negligable cost of inclusion and their inclusion is added customer value (read oppertunity).
 
xsarien said:
Meh. Developers don't need to an excuse to say "Oh, we'll just patch it later." I'm honestly fine with support for high-capacity, flash memory. I'm not into this whole "media center" business.

That's a good point, but I really want a harddrive. The benefits for me are too much. Save game files. Store music. Store new maps that people make down the road. Faster loading. Great usages for online infrastructure.

I mean, with detachable HD you buy seperately a good chance that no one will ever use it instead of a lot of people definitely using it, ya know?
 
Harddrive = slow, loud and clunky = bleh
Flash memory = blazin' fast, quiet = yay

I really don't see why people prefer HDDs over flash memory.
 
Amir0x said:
I mean, with detachable HD you buy seperately a good chance that no one will ever use it instead of a lot of people definitely using it, ya know?

Except that didn't really pan out with the XBox. If some people want the option of additional, pay content for their games + the ability to store music, that's fine. But just putting it in for the sake of doing so is a little unnecessary.
 
Ruzbeh said:
Harddrive = slow, loud and clunky = bleh
Flash memory = blazin' fast, quiet = yay

I really don't see why people prefer HDDs over flash memory.

:lol

Hard drives are fine
 
So is this basically old news. Was router functionality dropped before e3? Is the ps3 we saw at e3 the final design?
 
Ruzbeh said:
Harddrive = slow, loud and clunky = bleh
Flash memory = blazin' fast, quiet = yay

I really don't see why people prefer HDDs over flash memory.

Slow? Loud? Clunky?

Are you stuck in 90s?

Most HDs are not slow or loud these days. You still using MFM drives over there?
 
xsarien said:
Except that didn't really pan out with the XBox. If some people want the option of additional, pay content for their games + the ability to store music, that's fine. But just putting it in for the sake of doing so is a little unnecessary.

It panned out a little. I just think next-gen would make it much more viable.
 
Amir0x said:
That's a good point, but I really want a harddrive. The benefits for me are too much. Save game files. Store music. Store new maps that people make down the road. Faster loading. Great usages for online infrastructure.

I mean, with detachable HD you buy seperately a good chance that no one will ever use it instead of a lot of people definitely using it, ya know?

As far as the PS3 OS includes support for the HD most of those applications you mentioned should be there from day one even without a built in HD.
 
Ruzbeh said:
Harddrive = slow, loud and clunky = bleh
Flash memory = blazin' fast, quiet = yay

You know I have a 30gb mp3 player.... slow, loud and clunky it is not.

The fan and drive motor of your next gen consoles is going to make more noise than any HD put in them.
 
Dr_Cogent said:
Slow? Loud? Clunky?

Are you stuck in 90s?

Most HDs are not slow or loud these days. You still using MFM drives over there?
Loud, yes. I have two harddrives over here. Well, one is a 120GB western digital one (I heard it's good) and another 80GB maxtor drive. The maxtor is loud as hell. It's actually pretty incredible when compared to the western digital drive. Still, flash memory is better. Hard drives may not be slow, but they are when compared to how fast flash memory can get. Also, flash memory makes no noise at all compared to low noise to hard drives. On top of that, I really can't imagine myself using more than a ~100 megabytes of storage on a gameconsole. That's why I prefer flash memory.
 
dorio said:
So is this basically old news. Was router functionality dropped before e3? Is the ps3 we saw at e3 the final design?

The PS3 we saw at E3 is still the PS3 we're getting, as far as Sony's concerned right now.

The router functionality was never announced as being part of the PS3 spec. It's like saying MS has made cuts to the X360 spec because they considered a next-gen optical disk drive but decided against it - silly.
 
Ruzbeh said:
Harddrive = slow, loud and clunky = bleh
Flash memory = blazin' fast, quiet = yay

I really don't see why people prefer HDDs over flash memory.


Fine, show me a 40GB (or even 10GB) flash card.

Also compare prices of a 1GB flash card vs a 40GB hard drive.

BTW, does anyone have some specs of various flash media's for transfer speeds? I'm not so sure that they're "blazin' fast" at this point, but honestly, I haven't looked into it in a while.
 
Ruzbeh said:
On top of that, I really can't imagine myself using more than a ~100 megabytes of storage on a gameconsole. That's why I prefer flash memory.

I am soooo glad that you're not part of the strategic planning for console technology. ;)

Old farty geyser says: "Just give me a controller, a cartridge, and an RF switch, and I'll be fine."
 
sonycowboy said:
I am soooo glad that you're not part of the strategic planning for console technology. ;)

Old farty geyser says: "Just give me a controller, a cartridge, and an RF switch, and I'll be fine."

That's valid as long as you acknowledge the equal insanity of the just-as-stereotypical gadget freak who wants a hard drive for space and function that the average person likely won't use. :P

BTW, does anyone have some specs of various flash media's for transfer speeds? I'm not so sure that they're "blazin' fast" at this point, but honestly, I haven't looked into it in a while.

Read/Write speeds of flash media vary wildly, you're going to have to get specific.
 
LOL Sony's already backtracking on their pie in the sky promises. Next thing we know the PS3 will hook up to a black and white television and only play 2D games. :lol

kutaragi_ken2.jpg

Whatever you say Kutaragi :lol :lol
 
This thread should be locked, or the first post edited. There was never any router functionality announced for PS3.

If I told you that Sony had cut the holographic projector from PS3 too, would you believe me? :)
 
Phoenix Dark said:
LOL Sony's already backtracking on their pie in the sky promises. Next thing we know the PS3 will hook up to a black and white television and only play 2D games. :lol

kutaragi_ken2.jpg

Whatever you say Kutaragi :lol :lol
EAT THAT SONY HAHA HARN HMARM
 
sonycowboy said:
Fine, show me a 40GB (or even 10GB) flash card.

Also compare prices of a 1GB flash card vs a 40GB hard drive.

BTW, does anyone have some specs of various flash media's for transfer speeds? I'm not so sure that they're "blazin' fast" at this point, but honestly, I haven't looked into it in a while.
Hard drives are so big, most of the space is useless (at least for me anyway). Who's going to use that much space for games!? 1GB should be enough. Besides, flash is fast. Flash-based removable media cards are not. If the flash is integrated it can be extremely fast since it's.. well... integrated.
 
Ruzbeh said:
Hard drives are so big, most of the space is useless (at least for me anyway). Who's going to use that much space for games!? 1GB should be enough. Besides, flash is fast. Flash-based removable media cards are not. If the flash is integrated it can be extremely fast since it's.. well... integrated.

Huh? I can easily load up over 40 gigs of music, videos, and pictures at day one. That won't even include save game files, downloadable content, etc. Remember its was Sony (and also MS) that have gone on and on about being the center of the living room...delivery media capabilites, etc. For those features you NEED a hard drive. Why do you think Sony is leaving the slot open for expansion?

I really do love the fact that at launch I'll be able to plug in my Gmini400 and stream all the music directly off of it during games...I thought that was a really good idea.
 
gofreak said:
This thread should be locked, or the first post edited. There was never any router functionality announced for PS3.

In regards to the first post - wrong. In the first post I only reported what GI.biz said - that the functions were dropped. But yes, I did anticipate a pretty lively discussion, as you see in my first post.

I don't see the starting premise of this thread very different from any other thread involving Xbox 360 or PS3, only this time the thread hasn't yet degraded to the level where the SH3 old man pic is posted as evidence.
 
Phoenix Dark said:
LOL Sony's already backtracking on their pie in the sky promises. Next thing we know the PS3 will hook up to a black and white television and only play 2D games. :lol

kutaragi_ken2.jpg

Whatever you say Kutaragi :lol :lol


I imagine you high-fived your fellow clique of Nintendrones on your way back to your seat.
 
Chittagong said:
In regards to the first post - wrong. In the first post I only reported what GI.biz said - that the functions were dropped. But yes, I did anticipate a pretty lively discussion, as you see in my first post.

In your position, if it had subsequently emerged that an article had been so obviously misleading, I'd edit the post for the benefit of newcomers. But up to yourself..
 
kaching said:
Threads like this are great demonstrations of how willful ignorance is the cause of so much misinformation. When did Sony say at E3 that the PS3 was going to be a router? GI.biz quotes Phil Harrison DIRECTLY saying, "it can be a hub" and they still get it wrong.


I recall Panajev saying that it would have a Layer 3 switch.
 
Flo_Evans said:
am confused total...

so is it still going to have 3 ports and just be a hub? or are they removing the ports entirely?

As announced, it has 3 ethernet ports and acts as a switching hub. Unless Sony changes plans.
 
So this is a thread about PS3's features not actually changing from what was announced? I'm sorry but it is just too hard to think over the sound of my hard drives. :P
 
Ruzbeh said:
Harddrive = slow, loud and clunky = bleh
Flash memory = blazin' fast, quiet = yay

I really don't see why people prefer HDDs over flash memory.


Not sure how important it is, but what kind of flash memory are you talking about? The best transfer rates I've seen for flash memory are~ 18-20MB/sec. SATA hard drive's have sustained transfer rates in the ~30-70MB/sec; and bursts up to 150MB/sec.
 
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15015-1323-4-4-x

In an overlooked March interview, David Reeves talks about Sony's E3 plan, next-gen console features, and a possible retooled PS2.

wo weeks ago, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe President and Chief Operation Officer David Reeves gave a revealing interview to the official European PlayStation site. The problem is, nobody noticed--at the time. However, the interview is packed with interesting details about Sony's strategy for next-generation gaming.

First up were new details on Sony's upcoming portable game deck and multimedia player, the PSP. While he admitted the only concept model seen by the world was only "made of fiberglass," he said he was "pretty confident that it will come out in calendar year 2004." It was unclear if this 2004 date was for Japan or Europe, since Sony Computer Entertainment America representatives stated in February that the PSP's US debut will be in early 2005.

While talking about wooing movie studios to adopt the PSP's Universal Media Disc (UMD), Reeves dropped the bombshell that games for the deck might not be regionally coded. "What we can expect, probably, is that games will come out with no regional coding," he said. However, his rationale for region-agnostic games was the PSP's "worldwide launch," even though SCEA reps have hinted that it may be released in Japan before other territories.

Besides saying the PSP will have upgradable functionality (including GPS), Reeves also confirmed that Sony has indeed addressed developers' concerns that the device's original 8MB of RAM was inadequate. "It will have 30MB of RAM now (which it didn't have before)," he said. Reeves also said the PSP's graphics would be "beyond" the PlayStation 2's capabilities. "There's so much depth and perspective on that size screen, it will look better than the PS2," he told the site.

The SCEE president also reconfirmed that the PSP will be shown at his year's E3 in May.

He also said expo-goers "will probably see the PSX again" at the event, which is a precursor to the hybrid PS2 and personal video recorder to receive an American launch next year.

Reeves also said that much of the PSX's functionality will be included in the PlayStation 3. "I think you can probably guess that the PS3 is intrinsically linked with the PSX," he said. "You could probably envisage having the PSX and [then] branching out to the PS3, which has all-singing, all-dancing features, with maybe a hard-disk drive." Reeves said that Sony may also offer a cheaper, stripped-down version of the console. "There might be a normal PS3 for gamers who just want to play the movies and have better games," he continued. "So you might see two versions. One is a home server; the other is for someone who can't afford whatever it might be--600 or 700 euros ($730 to $850)--and wants just to pay 200 euros ($245) for a new-generation games machine."

Interestingly, Reeves said Sony may release a repackaged, rebranded PlayStation 2. "Maybe also--something we haven't talked about--is that we made a change from the PlayStation to the PSOne. So we may, in the course of time, make some cosmetic changes to the PlayStation 2 and come out with something that's a little bit sexier but probably [will present] no changes to specs or anything like that." This speculation is backed up by the fact that Sony registered the trademark "PStwo" a few months ago.

Reeves also talked about Sony's intention to get into the broadband distribution of games and movies, which he said would resemble how games are currently downloaded onto mobile phones. However, he said the broadband effort would take time and would face hurdles. "You can't just go in and say, 'Download a movie' to try to get 50 or even 100 million people to do that," said Reeves. "Those consumers don't have the knowledge base."
 
Chittagong said:
I don't see the starting premise of this thread very different from any other thread involving Xbox 360 or PS3, only this time the thread hasn't yet degraded to the level where the SH3 old man pic is posted as evidence.

For your daily SH3 old man pics need check out this fresh thread:

http://new.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=54851

Thread title keywords: Sony, Toy Story.

Ruh-roh, I smell a SH3 old man pic coming!

/checks the thread

Whoa, there are dozens of his pics. It's like a photoalbum!
 
Phoenix Dark said:
Next thing we know the PS3 will hook up to a black and white television and only play 2D games.
Even if this was 100% true, everyone else would keep saying that it's the [Nintendo handheld system here] which is the "Savior of 2D Gaming", much like most people now conveniently forget just how many 2D PS2 games there are.

Nintendo removes stuff from the GC and it's a good cost-cutting measure.
Sony removes a non-promised feature from an upcoming product and it's a slippery slope towards having nothing.

How difficult is it to read the threads that you post in.
 
In a nutshell:

SCEI planned on including router function in PS3 sometime before E3

Router function was dropped (also before E3)

PS3 debuts at E3 with switching function and is not a router and the Sony CTO goes on record as saying this:

Q. Gigabit Ethernet connectors are listed as In x 1 + Out x 2, what does it mean? Does it have router function and are they for WAN/LAN? Or do you use a special connection to connect multiple PS3s together?

A. It has no router function. It's supposed to be a switching hub internally, but I don't know about the meaning of In/Out frankly so will answer about it at the next opportunity. Of course you can connect PS3s together. After it's on sale, some will make a supercomputer by connecting many PS3s. Apparently Sony Picture Entertainment is considering to use PS3 in a rendering farm for movies.


Ken K. gets inteviewed by Nikkei Electronics and gives some backstory of the developement of router function of PS3 that was was later dropped (before E3) because of costs..

Therefore, nothing has changed specwise from what we saw of PLAYSTATION 3 at E3...this is just an intresting insight of what might have been...


GAF gets bent out of shape over a feature being "dropped" even though it was never promised in the first place...

Is this the gist of it? :)
 
You forgot the part where the PLAYSTATION 3's advanced graphic system was costing too much, so they're just repackaging an Atari Jaguar variant.
 
X360 wins again. This is what I understand from Sony using more cost cutting measures. Overpromising and underdelvering once again! Setting the bar lower and lower with each passing day! How soon before 1080P support is axed? I say October. :D

Seriously, it wouldn't be as big of an issue if all the big mags didn't report on this info too about the PS3 having a router. Now its going to make Sony look bad even if they had announced in interviews plans had been dropped.
 
Was the PS3 actually supposed to act as a wireless router? I thought it was just a hub, not a router. If it was actually gonna be a wireless router too, then no-shit, drop that. Wireless standards keep changing. I'd rather have the flexibility to change routers independantly of the system. Now if they're dropping USB ports and card slots, then I'd be mighty annoyed. I can't fathom why they'd want to make a console act as a router too. I know they have this home server dream, but that shit ain't happening, period. If that's all that's being dropped, then I'm cool wit it. I don't see them dropping USB ports though. Those are dirt cheap. PEACE.
 
Mrbob said:
X360 wins again. This is what I understand from Sony using more cost cutting measures. Overpromising and underdelvering once again!

Except they didn't promise this and had axed it before even E3, so it's a moot point.
 
Kleegamefan said:
In a nutshell:

SCEI planned on including router function in PS3 sometime before E3

Router function was dropped (also before E3)

PS3 debuts at E3 with switching function and is not a router and the Sony CTO goes on record as saying this:




Ken K. gets inteviewed by Nikkei Electronics and gives some backstory of the developement of router function of PS3 that was was later dropped (before E3) because of costs..

Therefore, nothing has changed specwise from what we saw of PLAYSTATION 3 at E3...this is just an intresting insight of what might have been...


GAF gets bent out of shape over a feature being "dropped" even though it was never promised in the first place...

Is this the gist of it? :)
Ah, I knew I didn't hear anything about it being a router. That's why I was so damn suprised just now. :lol So they actually considered this at one point? Damn, how ambitious was this project? A router with four 1-8 Cells? 8O Yeah...then the reality fairy paid the engineers a visit, and the hatchetman made his rounds. PEACE.
 
Pimpwerx said:
If it was actually gonna be a wireless router too, then no-shit, drop that. Wireless standards keep changing. I'd rather have the flexibility to change routers independantly of the system.

One of the reasons wifi isn't built in on x360, I'll wager.

In a few years we all might be using 802.11n, why lock in 802.11b/g to the hardware now?
 
Mrbob said:
X360 wins again. This is what I understand from Sony using more cost cutting measures. Overpromising and underdelvering once again! Setting the bar lower and lower with each passing day! How soon before 1080P support is axed? I say October. :D

Seriously, it wouldn't be as big of an issue if all the big mags didn't report on this info too about the PS3 having a router. Now its going to make Sony look bad even if they had announced in interviews plans had been dropped.

I seriously doubt most people cared whether or not their PS3 could double as a router, which is probably why the news didn't make much of an impression on anyone. Axing a feature that the average person either wasn't aware of or didn't care about before release is hardly going to 'make Sony look bad' to anyone (well, aside from fanboy flame warriors on videogame messageboards, anyway :p).
 
Mrbob said:
PSM - True Crime 2 cover

Page 9 and 10

This months EGM reports that GTA is exclusive to the PS3. A nice little rumor that can be tracked back to the GAF IRC channel, posted on GAF, and took flight. :lol

It made it onto a TON of online websites (IGN & Gamestop included) and probably quite a few mags.

(EGM August 2005 - page 103 Notable PS3 games "Rockstar says it's criminal-minded cash cow will go to PS3." )

Print mags report things wrong ALL the time. This little non-scandal isn't going to cause any ripples at all in the long term. Killzone graphics, Blu-Ray support, RSX graphical capability I can buy. Router/Switch ain't gonna do it. I don't care who's reporting it.
 
Stop your damage control peeps my whole post was tongue in cheek but then I was forced to reveal my source. I blame Amirox! :)

I'm glad that router crap is cut. Gives a bigger chance of a hdd making it in now!

But go go X360 go! I for one look forward to our new market share overlords at MS! :D
 
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