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in my adult life I have applied to hundreds of jobs that I have been qualified to do. the response rate has traditionally been less than 10%, and frankly I've gone to great lengths to make sure that my applications are as flawless as possible.

not hearing back about a job you really want really sucks. it's also kind of a fact of life and getting angry about it is really only wasting your own time and energy. I don't have a ton of sympathy for angsty self-pity parties.

 

[Hot Coldman]

This is like saying, "The same New York Times that didn't properly investigate the Bush adminstration's reasons for invading Iraq? Nooooo" You'd have to be pretty stupid to disregard a publication because of one story by one writer. Grantland is an institution. Do you think Patrick would turn down heading up a video game initiative at Rolling Stone just because one of their writers fucked up the U-VA rape story?

I don't really consider either of those things to be equivalents. Especially the first one.

But yes I follow. I know I'd feel weird about working for them, but I'm not Patrick obviously.

 

[Megasoum]

He's actually going to Sony to work under Kessler.

 

[Myggen]

I don't really consider either of those things to be equivalents. Especially the first one.

But yes I follow. I know I'd feel weird about working for them, but I'm not Patrick obviously.

Grantland is probably my favourite website behind GB, they're doing journalism the right way. But yeah, that's a pretty big black mark on the site even though Simmons of course apologized etc.

 

[Xyrmellon]

Dan clean shaven (well maybe not by now) looks like he is 20.

 

[MadLaughter]

Hey guys, I'm playing Wolfenstein in defiance of #10 on the GOTY list. I just got to

Spoiler

the moon.

About how much is left?

 

[stump sock]

Yeah I think that Grantland thing was much more of an outlier/accident than representative of their total output. I actually think they're a great outlet overall.

Hey guys, I'm playing Wolfenstein in defiance of #10 on the GOTY list. I just got to

Spoiler

the moon.

About how much is left?

I don't completely remember and it's going to vary depending on difficulty/tactics, but you've at least got a handful of hours left. 4 to be on the safe side?

 

[mnz]

in my adult life I have applied to hundreds of jobs that I have been qualified to do. the response rate has traditionally been less than 10%, and frankly I've gone to great lengths to make sure that my applications are as flawless as possible.

not hearing back about a job you really want really sucks. it's also kind of a fact of life and getting angry about it is really only wasting your own time and energy. I don't have a ton of sympathy for angsty self-pity parties.

In such a small industry, openly bashing several big outlets like that must be even more poisonous.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

In other GB bashing news. One of the disgruntled applicants for Dan's job - who, tellingly I had never heard of until that thing blew up - wrote a new year blog post that included gems such as

and

I feel sympathy for her. Most of us have, at some time or another, done the rounds of applying for jobs and getting nothing but rejections. Not sure holding on to that grudge for 6 months is doing her any favours though.

I am not going to link to the post as I don't want to start a dogpile - anyone who really wants to read it can google from those quotes easily enough.

Hrm. You know, I don't see this as her bashing GB, but as her taking it out on all the video game journalist world. She knows she's entitled, that she's..lucky, as she puts it, and is baffled as to why Polygon nor GB didn't hire her.

The issue is, of course, that Polygon and GB seem to prefer people they actually know. Polygon was started by a group of people-friends, probably-with a vision of a site. In the blog, she wonders if it was because of what or how she wrote things, when it's not that. It's just that...GB decided to hire friends, people they knew, over someone they couldn't trust. I imagine Polygon did the same thing.

Games journalism, more than other things, seems to be tight knit. Kotaku, Polygon, GB, Gamespot...all the people who work there aren't coworkers, most of them are friends who have known each other before they ended up working with each other. Not to say it's nepotism, but it's a huge bar compared to other jobs. You'd have a hard time getting started at one of these main game sites without knowing anyone there.

Edit-Proof is in the pudding, alot of people are saying Cara is perfect for the job they have listed up...and that's a form of Nepotism. She's interacted with GB before, she would 'fit' in many peoples eyes...is it a form of discrimination to hire someone you know over someone you don't who's equally qualified? Maybe. Anyway, I'm sure we can talk about this else where but...I feel bad for the blog writer. I really do.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Yeah I think that Grantland thing was much more of an outlier/accident than representative of their total output. I actually think they're a great outlet overall.

Not a sports guy here, so outside of the odd wrestling article that's the first I'd heard of them in a big way. So yeah. Not a great first impression.

 

[Zaph]

In other GB bashing news. One of the disgruntled applicants for Dan's job - who, tellingly I had never heard of until that thing blew up - wrote a new year blog post that included gems such as

I should introduce her to a friend of mine who just before Christmas I went out drinking with. Has a MSc from UCL, once worked for the fucking ESA and is one of the smartest people I know. Yet was close to tears because she's sent 120 applications and is still unemployed. Even then, she wouldn't dream of writing something like this.

It's shocking how unprofessional the gaming press industry is. People are so loose on twitter and blogs, yet like to blame any and all repercussions on the system.

Off topic, but now I really want to see the Chef.

It's a fun little film, but hilariously pandering. Probably the closest thing to a romcom designed exclusively to male sensibilities. spoilers -

Spoiler

Main dude is this overweight, average looking chef. His ex wife is that ridiculously hot Latina from modern family. His fuck buddy is scarlet johansson (seriously). He has a fractured relationship with his son, but only bad enough so that it can be easily mended in a summer. He has anxiety over not being a provider, but ends up super successful. Luckily it's all light hearted because holy shit it would insult your intelligence otherwise.

 

[stump sock]

I should introduce her to a friend of mine who just before Christmas I went out drinking with. Has a MSc from UCL, once worked for the fucking ESA and is one of the smartest people I know. Yet was close to tears because she's sent 120 applications and is still unemployed. Even then, she wouldn't dream of writing something like this.

It's shocking how unprofessional the gaming press industry is. People are so loose on twitter and blogs, yet like to blame any and all repercussions on the system.

I was unemployed for a year several years ago after getting laid off. I applied to 5-10+ jobs a week and went to job fairs for stuff in my field. it was one of the most difficult, defeating things I've ever gone through. never once did it cross my mind to go badmouth Boeing or whoever online. Even if they never read it, what does it tell you about yourself?

 

[Dany]

I should introduce her to a friend of mine who just before Christmas I went out drinking with. Has a MSc from UCL, once worked for the fucking ESA and is one of the smartest people I know. Yet was close to tears because she's sent 120 applications and is still unemployed. Even then, she wouldn't dream of writing something like this.

Ugh thats awful It's hard out there. I can't imagine in two years time being on the job hunt.

 

[funkystudent]

Responses like that are probably why they keep the news of the latest application quiet.

100s in that community applied for the last opening and I remember people moaning on the forums about never hearing back. Like a bunch of teenagers who never applied for a job before.



Also unless you have years working in the industry i will guesd GB won't look at your application so don't even try. It doesn't matter if you have a masters in journalism and wrote for the local paper. They seem to want industry experiance over anything.

On the plus side that should make finding out who is the new duder pretty easy. Keep a eye on twitter and see if anyone leaves their job soon.

Any sites run out of the NY area someone might jump ship from? I think that's kotaku territory?

 

[bigwinnerx]

I should introduce her to a friend of mine who just before Christmas I went out drinking with. Has a MSc from UCL, once worked for the fucking ESA and is one of the smartest people I know. Yet was close to tears because she's sent 120 applications and is still unemployed. Even then, she wouldn't dream of writing something like this.

It's shocking how unprofessional the gaming press industry is. People are so loose on twitter and blogs, yet like to blame any and all repercussions on the system.


It's a fun little film, but hilariously pandering. Probably the closest thing to a romcom designed exclusively to male sensibilities. spoilers -

Spoiler

Main dude is this overweight, average looking chef. His ex wife is that ridiculously hot Latina from modern family. His fuck buddy is scarlet johansson (seriously). He has a fractured relationship with his son, but only bad enough so that it can be easily mended in a summer. He has anxiety over not being a provider, but ends up super successful. Luckily it's all light hearted because holy shit it would insult your intelligence otherwise.

Also the soundtrack is amazing. And worth it for the food porn on its own.

Extra credit, pretend it's Mikey from Swingers 20 years later.

 

[Myggen]

Any sites run out of the NY area someone might jump ship from? I think that's kotaku territory?

Kotaku, yeah. With the requirement of 5+ years working in the games press etc., someone from Kotaku is a good shout for the job. My guess is Tina Amini (if she wants the job) since she's already on friendly terms with the GB crew.

 

[stump sock]

Any sites run out of the NY area someone might jump ship from? I think that's kotaku territory?

unless it's Schreier (it's not) I'm not interested in any kotaku poaches.

Also I was looking at Grantland's current staff and was reminded that Tom Bissell writes for them occasionally. But more importantly, apparently he's involved in writing Battlefield: Hardline

...sigh

edit: forgot about Tina. that might work.

 

[cb1115]

writing bullshit like that is a good way to ensure potential employers steer clear of you.

anyways, Cara would've fought to get Kanye Zone into the site's top-10 list, so they should probably hire her.

 

[BanGy.nz]

writing bullshit like that is a good way to ensure potential employers steer clear of you.

anyways, Cara would've fought to get Kanye Zone into the site's top-10 list, so they should probably hire her.

Kanye Zone is ineligible since it same out in 2012.

 

[cb1115]

Kanye Zone is ineligible since it same out in 2012.

 

[mnz]

Polygon is mostly NY. They let some people go, too, or moved them to Verge.

 

[Myggen]

Speaking of Kanye, his new song is (imo) absolutely terrible!

 

[Zaph]

If it's Tina, I'm taking credit for calling that one.

I was unemployed for a year several years ago after getting laid off. I applied to 5-10+ jobs a week and went to job fairs for stuff in my field. it was one of the most difficult, defeating things I've ever gone through. never once did it cross my mind to go badmouth Boeing or whoever online. Even if they never read it, what does it tell you about yourself?

Ugh thats awful It's hard out there. I can't imagine in two years time being on the job hunt.

It sucks. Also doesn't help that thanks to the state of worldwide economy, London was become the biggest magnet city, so you're always up against the best of the best from all over the world.

On the bright side, last time I checked in she reached the second interview at a major pharmaceutical.

 

[cb1115]

Speaking of Kanye, his new song is (imo) absolutely beautiful!

ftfy

 

[BUNTING1243]

I feel like Patrick's either going into the mainstream press as a media writer or starting something new/going somewhere established as the new EIC. I can't really see why he would leave otherwise.

Also, if we want to start Next Giant Bomb Hire Watch®, Max Scoville just left Destructoid for a mysterious new job.

 

[BanGy.nz]

Speaking of Kanye, his new song is (imo) absolutely terrible!

It'd be much better without the robot voice.

Welp now I'm listening to 808s & Heartbreak, man this album isn't very good.

 

[The Dear Leader]

I feel like Patrick's either going into the mainstream press as a media writer or starting something new/going somewhere established as the new EIC. I can't really see why he would leave otherwise.

Also, if we want to start Next Giant Bomb Hire Watch®, Max Scoville just left Destructoid for a mysterious new job.

I think he would make a great fit at GBEast honestly.

 

[Zornack]

Max just bought a house this past year so it's not him.

 

[funkystudent]

Polygon is mostly NY. They let some people go, too, or moved them to Verge.

They should do what needs to be done to get justin mcelroy away from polygon.

Justin and Vinny playing bad Adventure games? Sign me up!

 

[Risible]

People are so loose on twitter and blogs, yet like to blame any and all repercussions on the system

It's unreal. I Googled it and read the blog post and was struck by what she chose to reveal. It was like reading something from a teenager, not someone who is working professionally in the field.

I'm not talking the quality of the writing but rather the attitudes behind it; she applied to what is probably one of the most sought-after positions in her field and seems amazed that she wasn't chosen. Does she have any idea of how many applicants there were and the quality of people they had to choose from? She seems incredibly naive at best.

 

[Megasoum]

They should do what needs to be done to get justin mcelroy away from polygon.

Justin and Vinny playing bad Adventure games? Sign me up!

Ewww no thanks

 

[Frenden]

Justin is great. I'd love that pairing.

 

[alr1ght]

Clearly that nameless bitter person would fit right in on entertainment show.

 

[Mister Negative]

If you're gonna get one McElroy you gotta get BOTH (gaming journalism) McElroys.

 

[Incandenza]

Speaking of Kanye, his new song is (imo) absolutely terrible!

Speaking of Kanye, his new song is (imo) absolutely beautiful!

I think both of these things.

 

[Egg0]

I feel like Patrick's either going into the mainstream press as a media writer or starting something new/going somewhere established as the new EIC. I can't really see why he would leave otherwise.

Also, if we want to start Next Giant Bomb Hire Watch®, Max Scoville just left Destructoid for a mysterious new job.

His tumblr says he lives in SF and just bought a house. Unless he just bought a house in NY, then I don't see it.

Edit: Beaten

 

[Xyrmellon]

Sherlock Holmes would get the proper respect it deserves.

Re: McElroy

 

[BUNTING1243]

The only reason I can see Patrick leaving GB for another VG writing gig is if he gets to work with actual people day to day - that working from home thing has to have been a major drag. Not sure what that would be in Chicago though. Unless CBS just wasn't willing to fund that CAH studio while it was doing the same in NY. Maybe another pub will. sounds like we will find out tomorrow.

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In other GB bashing news. One of the disgruntled applicants for Dan's job - who, tellingly I had never heard of until that thing blew up - wrote a new year blog post that included gems such as


and



I feel sympathy for her. Most of us have, at some time or another, done the rounds of applying for jobs and getting nothing but rejections. Not sure holding on to that grudge for 6 months is doing her any favours though.

I am not going to link to the post as I don't want to start a dogpile - anyone who really wants to read it can google from those quotes easily enough.

I'd probably hold a grudge if I got a month of abuse and threats as a result of criticizing a hiring decision.

Also, I think she raises a good point, some parts of the GB community are gonna be really shitty when they hire a women.

 

[SlowRevolution]

Wasn't McElroy, like, a founding member of Polygon? No thanks. Dude's funny sometimes but I wouldn't want him anywhere near GB.

 

[alr1ght]

They should hire Derek Jeter.

 

[Tamanon]

I'd probably hold a grudge if I got a month of abuse and threats as a result of criticizing a hiring decision.

Also, I think she raises a good point, some parts of the GB community are gonna be really shitty when they hire a women.

Why would you hold a grudge against people that had nothing to do with it? Seems odd.

 

[danm999]

His tumblr says he lives in SF and just bought a house. Unless he just bought a house in NY, then I don't see it.

Edit: Beaten

Also didn't Jeff say the interview process hadn't begun yet?

You're not going to see any obvious clues yet if that's so, because people are unlikely to move or quit a job before they've got a new one.

 

[Myggen]

Also, I think she raises a good point, some parts of the GB community are gonna be really shitty when they hire a women.

That is true. I made the mistake of going into the 4chan thread about Patrick getting another job...wow, I wish I didn't.

 

[hwy_61]

We know the following

-Still Games Journalism
-Still Podcasting
-Still streaming horror games
-Not Polygon
-Not going independent (no patreon)
-Has a new Employer
-Working out of CAH offices

My guess: Chicago Tribune is starting a games section, with editor in chief Patrick Klepek

Spoiler

Except for that whole CAH office thing

I'd be a first time subscriber if that were to happen.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

I'd probably hold a grudge if I got a month of abuse and threats as a result of criticizing a hiring decision.

Also, I think she raises a good point, some parts of the GB community are gonna be really shitty when they hire a women.

Thought I would try to separate the shitty part of the community from the actual site.

That is true. I made the mistake of going into the 4chan thread about Patrick getting another job...wow, I wish I didn't.

Its /v/ and 4chan, dude.

 

[Xyrmellon]

I'd be a first time subscriber if that were to happen.

You realize even in a major newspaper that would probably consist of one small article a week on page D14? Except when gaming crosses into mainstream news like the PSN outage or the Slenderman murder...

 

[Myggen]

Its /v/ and 4chan, dude.

That's true, but it's still a part of the larger community.

Those guys also love to pirate the Premium content on the site, as it turns out. Not a big surprise either.

 

[hwy_61]

You realize even in a major newspaper that would probably consist of one small article a week on page D14? Except when gaming crosses into mainstream news like the PSN outage or the Slenderman murder...

ehh, you're right. I probably wouldn't subscribe.

I'll follow the shit out of him on twitter though!

 

[santeesioux]

The new hire is obviously Anthony Cumia, he lives in New York after all.

 

[Myggen]

The new hire is obviously Anthony Cumia, he lives in New York after all.

I see that not much has changed on his Twitter, jeez.