The Tales of games are charming, which is more than BL2 can say. I won't say they are gaming epics, but they have pretty fun casts and have serviceable enough stories. You're there for the gameplay anyway.
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Giant Bomb 18: Everything is always a surprise on some level
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The Tales of games are charming, which is more than BL2 can say. I won't say they are gaming epics, but they have pretty fun casts and have serviceable enough stories. You're there for the gameplay anyway.
Selling well isn't a determiner of quality either. The original Destiny sold like crazy and we all know what that game was.
A top 10 game of the year?
I mean the context of the conversation we're having here is the writing in that series. I actually like the game itself.
I don't. I liked vanilla Destiny more than Borderlands 2 because the combat in BO is garbage.
A top 10 game of the year?
God fucking dammit.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
The Tales of games are charming, which is more than BL2 can say. I won't say they are gaming epics, but they have pretty fun casts and have serviceable enough stories. You're there for the gameplay anyway.
I mean to be fair the only one I've played is a bit of symphonia.
But they have fun casts?
I'll take Borderlands 2 over that. Marginally.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I don't know man.
Have you tried playing tales of?
Because maaaaaaaaaaaan.
How often do they loudly yell "COOL STORY BRO?"
That's critical to know in this discussion
A top 10 game of the year?
It won the coveted Alex Navarro 2014 Best Game Story found on a website.
I don't. I liked vanilla Destiny more than Borderlands 2 because the combat in BO is garbage.
What I played of Destiny I liked mechanically more.
I mean to be fair the only one I've played is a bit of symphonia.
But they have fun casts?
I'll take Borderlands 2 over that. Marginally.
Tales usually has a pretty cool cast of characters doing a standard anime adventure story. They aren't amazing stories, but the cast usually gets a lot of good moments for character development. Like I said, though, the battle system is 100% of the reason you're there. The fact that the characters are fun is just a bonus.
How often do they loudly yell "COOL STORY BRO?"
That's critical to know in this discussion
8-4 does a good chunk of modern Tales localization. Even if they did put in meme humor, and I don't think I've ever noticed any, it wouldn't be near as bad BL2's.
Piston Hyundai
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The meme-y writing invades almost every damn part of the game. Even the character abilities often have dumb names. I put over 100 hours into BL1, but couldn't do more than 20 of BL2 because I found the writing so cringeworthy. Mechanically, it's a much better game, but I really could not stand the writing. I can 100% see why someone would score it high if they could deal with that aspect.
Selling well isn't a determiner of quality either. The original Destiny sold like crazy and we all know what that game was.
the endgame would like to speak with you
I mean to be fair the only one I've played is a bit of symphonia.
But they have fun casts?
I'll take Borderlands 2 over that. Marginally.
Symphonia sucks.
For the best cast, you play Vesperia.
the endgame would like to speak with you
Touche. I didn't get to the end game to find out. Like I said, I played 100 hours of BL1 and only 20 of BL2. I can only speak based on that.
Symphonia sucks.
For the best cast, you play Vesperia.
Having played Vesperia recently, the cast is great. The only problem is that the game plays much worse than modern Tales stuff. The combat is so damn slow and stilted.
Piston Hyundai
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yknow whats a better game than Borderlands 2? Borderlands
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Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
The only thing I like more about BL1 over BL2 is that the siren's skill was more fun in BL1.
Mechromancer makes up for it.
Love summoner classes.
Mechromancer makes up for it.
Love summoner classes.
Starting the morning off with one of my top five GB moments ever. Brad is a treasure. He is chaos.
I wouldn't want this kind of Tales writing in a Borderlands game
Sorry, I missed this. If there's a manga, that's better! I find it more enjoyable (pacing issues like you mentioned) and I can read it while commuting. Thanks for the heads-up.
Only thing I will add is that the Gundam The Origin manga is absolutely the best way to experience the original MSG. You get all the content of the original series adjusted for pacing, a ton of extra stuff from the other side of the war and a ton of great backstory to buildout the OYW as a concept. Vertical is putting out the manga in the US and they are doing a fantastic job. You get these nice meaty hardback volumes for sub-$20 on Amazon most the time.
Sorry, I missed this. If there's a manga, that's better! I find it more enjoyable (pacing issues like you mentioned) and I can read it while commuting. Thanks for the heads-up.
Having played Vesperia recently, the cast is great. The only problem is that the game plays much worse than modern Tales stuff. The combat is so damn slow and stilted.
Agreed. It's the last of the Symphonia-type battle systems but that's fine, I prefer the faster Destiny/Graces combat systems (sucks that Zesty took a step back from that).
Agreed. It's the last of the Symphonia-type battle systems but that's fine, I prefer the faster Destiny/Graces combat systems (sucks that Zesty took a step back from that).
Yeah. The thing I like about modern Tales combat is that it almost feels like a fighting game. You can adjust on the fly and create nice long chains if you know what you're doing. With Symphonia/Vesperia combat, I just felt like I was hammering out the same few standard combos with no room for improvisation.
Zesty is a weird sidestep. It's less flexible, but I think the character fusion adds quite a bit. I also think that the encounter design is extremely well designed for the first 2/3rds of the game and really makes that combat shine. Too bad everything goes to shit in the last 1/3rd. Still enjoyed it overall.
Also have no clue what they were thinking with the Skill system. It's so damn RNG based, which doesn't work outside of a loot based game. Tales doesn't have the quest structure to work as loot based. That system felt ripped out of a different game. It's weird.
StopMakingSense
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Mechromancer makes up for it.
Mechromancer was my JAM.
Huge anarchy stacks plus high level shotgun plus ricochet was such a fucking blast to play.
If they could combine the shooting of Destiny with the style/class/loot structure of Borderlands, and the AI patterns of Halo it'd be incredible. Tall order though. With TftB's writers/direction too. :Oi don't enjoy playing borderlands i'm afraid to say
JesseEwiak
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The backlash to Borderlands 2 is reaching ridiculous levels. That game is like 80 hours long, the meme-y humor is a small part of the whole thing. I don't even like the game, though mostly because of its mechanics, but it's sitting at 90 on metacritic and sold like crazy. Let's not pretend it's universally despised.
Oh come on, this is GAF. Where Skyrim is a terrible game, Mass Effect 3 was an insult to humanity, and GTA 4 should have all of it's GOTY's revoked. Kind of chuckling at the backlash to popular well reviewed games is part of the fun.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Fuck Dan's new level. Fuck you Dan. Fuck you Mario Maker.
DanRyckert
A good strange little man
Fuck Dan's new level. Fuck you Dan. Fuck you Mario Maker.
It's the worst. It took me over eight hours to upload the fucking thing. I was almost delirious and half-asleep near the end, but now I feel insanely wired now that I've beat it. Can't wait to see how long it takes people to beat it, and I pray that there are no exploits. I never want to play that level again.
6AAB-0000-011A-36E8 if anyone is interested.
Piston Hyundai
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Holy shit, this new MM level. We are in for some fantastic moments with Patrick, especially if he gets close to the end.
EDIT: Seriously, Dan. I'm looking at the sub-level in the editor now and I still have no clue how this is actually possible to beat.
How did Dan beat this?
EDIT: Seriously, Dan. I'm looking at the sub-level in the editor now and I still have no clue how this is actually possible to beat.
NumberThree
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After they've gone to Mun and back they should do a Bloodborne series called Project Beast.
N
Noray
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When will the Mario Maker Madness end? Does someone have to die before y'all stop this senselessness? If it takes the creator over 8 hours, how is anyone else expected to do it?
funkystudent
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I see how brad got his GOTY debate skills where he can beat any agurment no matter how logical it was
DanRyckert
A good strange little man
When will the Mario Maker Madness end? Does someone have to die before y'all stop this senselessness? If it takes the creator over 8 hours, how is anyone else expected to do it?
I think it ends here. I can't see Patrick beating this one, honestly. It's so much worse than anything I've done before.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
The MAD of videogames.
God damn 80min Kerbal. And that's after Vinny said he's splitting it due to length?
My very, very lame defence of the poor writing and joke quality in BL2:
It's a game designed around playing with friends, so has to account for you most likely talking over a lot of the game's dialogue and not really following the story; the jokes need to be fast, simple and obvious. Basically one of those dumb teen comedies in game form. That was my experience with it and I imagine a much different one if I played alone and actually listened to everything.
The backlash to Borderlands 2 is reaching ridiculous levels. That game is like 80 hours long, the meme-y humor is a small part of the whole thing. I don't even like the game, though mostly because of its mechanics, but it's sitting at 90 on metacritic and sold like crazy. Let's not pretend it's universally despised.
My very, very lame defence of the poor writing and joke quality in BL2:
It's a game designed around playing with friends, so has to account for you most likely talking over a lot of the game's dialogue and not really following the story; the jokes need to be fast, simple and obvious. Basically one of those dumb teen comedies in game form. That was my experience with it and I imagine a much different one if I played alone and actually listened to everything.
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Deleted member 30609
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is there a video of this nightmare?
It's the worst. It took me over eight hours to upload the fucking thing. I was almost delirious and half-asleep near the end, but now I feel insanely wired now that I've beat it. Can't wait to see how long it takes people to beat it, and I pray that there are no exploits. I never want to play that level again.
6AAB-0000-011A-36E8 if anyone is interested.
I am so lost in your level! It feels like this level is more about figuring out the right path through exploration.
DanRyckert
A good strange little man
I am so lost in your level! It feels like this level is more about figuring out the right path through exploration.
A lot of that is necessary, but it's fucking awful even if you know every nook and cranny. I made the damn thing and it still took me over eight hours if that tells you anything.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Well, I got a POW Block, but I don't know what to do with it now.
I want a Fez-like Community here to puzzle this out. I like beating hard as shit levels, but I'm terrible at figuring puzzle levels out.
I want a Fez-like Community here to puzzle this out. I like beating hard as shit levels, but I'm terrible at figuring puzzle levels out.
I'm on Team Has beaten Dan every time.
It's all about the underdog story.
It's all about the underdog story.
Last time Dan thought he was the underdog Drew won.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Dan a creator, Patrick a destroyer.
If I've learned anything from Darksiders: Fuck'em both
I give up. I'll wait for Patrick to figure it out, then I'll come back. As I said, I love getting beaten into a pulp by a level, but not when I don't know where to go or what to do.
If I've learned anything from Darksiders: Fuck'em both
I give up. I'll wait for Patrick to figure it out, then I'll come back. As I said, I love getting beaten into a pulp by a level, but not when I don't know where to go or what to do.
N
Noray
Unconfirmed Member
It would be funny if Patrick just ignored your new level. Didn't even attempt it. Even if he clears it there is bound to be another along soon. Sometimes the only way to win is not to play.
I was already thinking along those lines with the last level Dan made. It would be hilarious to me if Dan spent 8+ hours uploading and Patrick was just like "nah I'm good" and no one ever beats it.
Piston Hyundai
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I'm going to be little bummed out if, by the end of all of this, Patrick doesn't have a single level of his own creation. Dude's seen too much to not have something of his own.
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