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[Catvoca]

It sounds like they don't even know what that is or when it's coming though.

I think even if Destiny 2 doesn't ship until early next year they'll probably be fine though. They just need to whether the backlash from the lack of content and hopefully update Destiny as it stands to make some of the old content viable.

Although it does sound like the management is all over the place. Hopefully they can get their shit together. I really want to play a great Destiny game.

 

[LiK]

well, one more Destiny news story and no more Destiny talk for a whole year. happy now?

 

[Glitchesarecool]

Jesus christ that engine story.

“Let’s say a designer wants to go in and move a resource node two inches,” said one person familiar with the engine. “They go into the editor. First they have to load their map overnight. It takes eight hours to input their map overnight. They get [into the office] in the morning. If their importer didn’t fail, they open the map. It takes about 20 minutes to open. They go in and they move that node two feet. And then they’d do a 15-20 minute compile. Just to do a half-second change.”

When your basic tools are that bad, it's amazing Destiny came out the way it did. I really hope they wipe the slate for Destiny 2 if they want to continue the series forward. But I get this bad feeling that they're just going to rehash Destiny because it worked out well enough for them.

 

[Catvoca]

well, one more Destiny news story and no more Destiny talk for a whole year. happy now?

I bet that Brad will bring it up every time there's a shitty month long event, and they'll use that as an excuse to talk about Destiny for 20 minutes. There is no escape from Destiny!

 

[TheMrPliskin]

Well maybe that extra dev time will make Destiny 2 good.

 

[Incandenza]

My takeaway is that I'm glad I don't work for Bungie.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

I'm not sure if I can buy Paper Mario&Luigi Paper Bros or whatever it is called. That last Paper Mario game was so bad...

 

[Glitchesarecool]

I'm not sure if I can buy Paper Mario&Luigi Paper Bros or whatever it is called. That last Paper Mario game was so bad...

Watch the QL, it's not even the close to being the same.

 

[daveo42]

Destiny is fuuuuuuucked.

Glad I bowed out after the first expansion. This seems fucked all around and I have my doubts it'll get any better without some major, major restructuring all the way down.

It seems really odd to me to have a ten year plan before even knowing what to do the third year...

The fuck up probably came from Bungie saying they could deliver so much content on such a tight schedule and Activision believed them. This should have been on a 3-year timeframe, with a Comet expansion every 1.5 years or DLC spread out to release every six months.

No way in hell were they going to keep up this schedule:

Year 1
Game 1
DLC 1
DLC 2
Year 2
Comet 1
DLC 3
DLC 4
Repeat

 

[LiK]

I enjoyed my time with Destiny even with a lot of BS. but all the recent updates after TTK came out were awful and events were lame as fuck. so I quit. I made some friends there and had fun but yea, not gonna go back unless there's anything substantial and it looks like it's not gonna happen.

atho if Brad ever needs help with something, i'll pop in to help.

 

[funkystudent]

Destiny seems like a real mess.

In my head I hope Destiny 2 is a real "blow the doors off" sequel like other sequels to classic look games, Diabio 2, Torchlight 2, Borderlands 2, BUT it seems like their tech is a mess and will be holding them back for years to come.


I wonder if they will try and do a TTK expansion now if D2 isnt 2016. Something a bit bigger then Destiny 1's $20 packs that introduces something to keep the hardcore grinding away. Seems like people who care really burned through TTK fast and the game needs new end game stuff bad

My takeaway is that I'm glad I don't work for Bungie.

Waiting around for stuff to compile seems like it would make for a real cushy job.

 

[Twin Tails]

http://jeff.zone/post/137815938406/top-5-royal-rumble-surprise-entrants

 

[RepairmanJack]

Glad I bowed out after the first expansion. This seems fucked all around and I have my doubts it'll get any better without some major, major restructuring all the way down.

The fuck up probably came from Bungie saying they could deliver so much content on such a tight schedule and Activision believed them. This should have been on a 3-year timeframe, with a Comet expansion every 1.5 years or DLC spread out to release every six months.

No way in hell were they going to keep up this schedule:

Year 1
Game 1
DLC 1
DLC 2
Year 2
Comet 1
DLC 3
DLC 4
Repeat

It definitely seems to me like some kind of conflict between creative and higher ups. It seems like there is so much confusion on what to do about content that the game just seems like an absolute mess when it comes to direction. I feel like they need to pick a direction and go and live with it for a little while rather than doing this whole back and forth and confusion on what exactly to do.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

In my head I hope Destiny 2 is a real "blow the doors off" sequel like other sequels to classic look games, Diabio 2, Torchlight 2, Borderlands 2, BUT it seems like their tech is a mess and will be holding them back for years to come.

I thought Borderlands 2 was a pretty big disappointment.

 

[Incandenza]

Waiting around for stuff to compile seems like it would make for a real cushy job.

Not when you have deadlines to hit in an industry that's already infamous for poor time management and unreasonable hours.

 

[Glitchesarecool]

I thought Borderlands 2 was a pretty big disappointment.

Really? I thought it was great.

 

[RepairmanJack]

The 8-4 speculation on the NX oddly makes me excited for it, coming from someone who hasn't owned a Nintendo product other than 3DS and DS for a long while.

I'm tired of missing out on so many games I want to play by time the console's time runs out that I've just decided I'm buying their next console no matter what cause the games will eventually come.

 

[Death Metalist]

Really? I thought it was great.

Yeah, playing BL1 after 2 is like going back to wipe your ass using your hands only.

 

[daveo42]

It definitely seems to me like some kind of conflict between creative and higher ups. It seems like there is so much confusion on what to do about content that the game just seems like an absolute mess when it comes to direction. I feel like they need to pick a direction and go and live with it for a little while rather than doing this whole back and forth and confusion on what exactly to do.

They did have a direction, but couldn't deliver on time so a lot of it had to be cut back. I'm sure we would be having a different conversation if Bungie was allowed the time to actually finish a game prior to launch or negotiated for a much more favorable dev timeframe. At this point it almost seems like a soft reset on however they are moving forward on this franchise would be the right decision and hopefully that's what is happening now.

Also, I'm sure Activision isn't helping matters because of the amount of money they are fronting for this game and are tapping their toes waiting on games to come out.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Really? I thought it was great.

It wasn't a bad game by any means, it just felt like more of the same to me.

 

[LiK]

the only good BL game is from Telltale.

 

[RepairmanJack]

They did have a direction, but couldn't deliver on time so a lot of it had to be cut back. I'm sure we would be having a different conversation if Bungie was allowed the time to actually finish a game prior to launch or negotiated for a much more favorable dev timeframe. At this point it almost seems like a soft reset on however they are moving forward on this franchise would be the right decision and hopefully that's what is happening now.

Also, I'm sure Activision isn't helping matters because of the amount of money they are fronting for this game and are tapping their toes waiting on games to come out.

Did they though? I mean, sure they apparently had a plan on when expansions were coming out and what not, but it really seemed like that stuff was very much in flux the entire time. Then after the release everything content wise seemed to be in flux. It just seems like they could never really hammer down an agreement on what to move forward with until the last minute and everything has to be changed.

 

[funkystudent]

BL1 had a lot of cool story and world building atmosphere things that got the short end of the stick in 2.

I did not care for the story and overall "MEMES!!!!!1!" tone of 2 at all.

 

[ElectronicOldMen]

2 has some of the most actively annoying writing in pretty much any game I can think of. Granted, 1 barely has writing, but even that's an improvement.

 

[QFNS]

Just finished watching Patrick play though Jeff's Castle Hassle level. Wow man. Fuck that stage. There are some messed up jumps in that thing. Some dayum messed up stuff. A couple cool ideas I want to try in a level now, but a couple of those jumps are just so mean.

 

[daveo42]

Did they though? I mean, sure they apparently had a plan on when expansions were coming out and what not, but it really seemed like that stuff was very much in flux the entire time. Then after the release everything content wise seemed to be in flux. It just seems like they could never really hammer down an agreement on what to move forward with until the last minute and everything has to be changed.

Prior to launch, at least based on the info that has leaked out from Bungie, is that they did have a more robust story and vision for the game prior to launch. The issue was that most of it was scrapped or turned into the online Grimore (card system thingy) to save development time and get the game out sooner. Remember that the game was delayed at least once prior to launch and in that time a lot probably changed in the backend just to make it to the Fall 2014 release.

I think this all comes back to Bungie not originally asking for enough time to develop the games to get Activison to sign off on the game and its funding.

 

[killroy87]

Haha it's not like it bothers me on a personal level, but Dan starting the Mario & Luigi QL with 10 minutes of the least appealing content isn't going to do much to drive potential sales lol.

 

[MassiveNights]

I know Dan really wanted to show a limitation of the game but it was boring as hell and he could have left it to the review.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Borderlands 1 is like Mass Effect 1 to me.
I like it more than 2, but I can't go back and play it again

 

[NumberThree]

Borderlands 1 is like Mass Effect 1 to me.
I like it more than 2, but I can't go back and play it again

And like Mass Effect, a combination of the two would be the optimal.game.

 

[killroy87]

Borderlands 1 is like Mass Effect 1 to me.
I like it more than 2, but I can't go back and play it again

That's incredibly accurate.

Mass Effect 1 is far away my favorite entry, but it's also aged pretty terribly compared to 2 and 3.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Wait, Q is in?

I change my stance to Fuck yeah, Q.

Nah, I was talking about 3S lol.

Only 3S characters so far for V are Ibuki, Alex and Urien.

 

[TheMrPliskin]

It wasn't a bad game by any means, it just felt like more of the same to me.

Agreed, I expected a pretty big improvement over BL1 but it was mostly just more of what was already there.

 

[demidar]

Nah, I was talking about 3S lol.

Only 3S characters so far for V are Ibuki, Alex and Urien.

I want my Makoto T_T

 

[SummitAve]

I know Dan really wanted to show a limitation of the game but it was boring as hell and he could have left it to the review.

For sure, but seeing what it entails and hearing you had to go through that a bunch of times changed my purchasing decision so I appreciated the heads up.

 

[RepairmanJack]

Prior to launch, at least based on the info that has leaked out from Bungie, is that they did have a more robust story and vision for the game prior to launch. The issue was that most of it was scrapped or turned into the online Grimore (card system thingy) to save development time and get the game out sooner. Remember that the game was delayed at least once prior to launch and in that time a lot probably changed in the backend just to make it to the Fall 2014 release.

I think this all comes back to Bungie not originally asking for enough time to develop the games to get Activison to sign off on the game and its funding.

Yeah, I guess I'm just looking at it from a different angle. It almost seems to me like Activision just wasn't happy with that direction it was going even if they had enough time. I mean wasn't there a bunch of talk about higher ups not even seeing it much until late in the process and then creative also not knowing stuff had been dropped until the game was getting showed off at the event Jeff went to? It really just seems like so much of a cluster fuck that time could have only helped so much.

 

[Myggen]

For sure, but seeing what it entails and hearing you had to go through that a bunch of times changed my purchasing decision so I appreciated the heads up.

Yeah. Still going to buy the game, looks like a pretty good one of those.

 

[SummitAve]

Yeah. Still going to buy the game, looks like a pretty good one of those.

Agreed, but those toad parts looked so tedious, and Dan really emphasized you would be doing a lot of it. So I figure If I had to skip through just watching it, I don't think I'll have fun playing it.

 

[f0rk]

I've had a very busy day at work can anyone tell me why everyone was talking about piss at lunch time

 

[Twin Tails]

I've had a very busy day at work can anyone tell me why everyone was talking about piss at lunch time

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/690327260109283328

 

[mnz]

I've had a very busy day at work can anyone tell me why everyone was talking about piss at lunch time

Because of this tweet: https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/690327260109283328

 

[War Peaceman]

I've had a very busy day at work can anyone tell me why everyone was talking about piss at lunch time

Ol' Johnny Blow created a catheter to create the witness

 

[skLaFarebear]

I've had a very busy day at work can anyone tell me why everyone was talking about piss at lunch time

The Memes, Jack.

 

[ratcliffja]

Man this Mario and Luigi game looks even worse than usual. How do these guys consistently mess this series up?

 

[stump sock]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/690327260109283328

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk6lDkTO0Nw

 

[f0rk]

Sorry I asked

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

I've had a very busy day at work can anyone tell me why everyone was talking about piss at lunch time

Open your mouth I will show you

 

[Red UFO]

WTF

 

[Twin Tails]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tYvGfF1Gkg

 

[daveo42]

Open your mouth I will show you