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[GustyGardens]

Minish Cap is legit good. I'm glad I'm not the only one that really like it. It's Top 5 for me. Majora's Mask is good, but it's not in my Top 5. I actually really liked Four Swords Adventure, too.

Edit: Drew is really quiet. Has he not played most of these? I think we need a new feature.

 

[Curufinwe]

Was he wrong though

Yes. He said the Beast guys wouldn't like where the story goes, but they did.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Majora's Mask is the best Zelda

Majora's Mask is the best game period, slumming it with these inferior games isn't even worth it

 

[nckillthegrimace]

Whenever they talk about Zelda, I want to swallow my tongue.

 

[Hot Coldman]

"Phantom Hourglass is a better game than Link's Awakening"

Oh Jeff. Ohhhhhhhhhhh Jeff.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

"Phantom Hourglass is a better game than Link's Awakening"

Oh Jeff. Ohhhhhhhhhhh Jeff.

i'm locking and banning all giant bomb content now

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

"Phantom Hourglass is a better game than Link's Awakening"

Oh Jeff. Ohhhhhhhhhhh Jeff.

Who would say such an evil thing?

i'm locking and banning all giant bomb content now

The hero we deserve.

 

[Zaph]

Edit: Drew is really quiet. Has he not played most of these? I think we need a new feature.

He's just the only one enlightened enough to know all Zelda is bad

 

[Piston Hyundai]

Dan can't even record podcasts without coming up with great feature ideas.

Dude's the golden goose.

 

[Hot Coldman]

i'm locking and banning all giant bomb content now

make it so

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

He's just the only one enlightened enough to know all Zelda is bad

Hasn't Drew said in the past that he has never played any Zelda game?

 

[jaina]

I would not call Phantom Hourglass a bad game, but I'd rather replay any other Zelda game.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

link's awakening is a formative and revolutionary game in the series that still remains charming and clever to this day

phantom hourglass is the one zelda game I will say is outright bad. it shits over wind waker, it steals the twist from link's awakening but makes it shitty, and it shits over you

 

[stump sock]

link's awakening is a formative and revolutionary game in the series that still remains charming and clever to this day

phantom hourglass is the one zelda game I will say is outright bad. it shits over wind waker and it shits over you

it's better than spirit tracks

 

[broncobuster]

"Phantom Hourglass is a better game than Link's Awakening"

Oh Jeff. Ohhhhhhhhhhh Jeff.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Link's Awakening is the Majora's Mask of Zelda.

 

[Piston Hyundai]

I don't give a rat's ass about Zelda, and I know that Link's Awakening is the shit.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Take 9 minutes to watch this video about why Link's Awakening has the best dungeons in 2D Zelda.

 

[oti]

I don't give a rat's ass about Zelda, and I know that Link's Awakening is the shit.

I'm calling Bish right now.

Oh wait, I thought you said it was shit.
Never mind.

 

[justjim89]

Jeff is somehow the most elder statesman of game criticism and yet also the one with objectively the worst taste. It's baffling.

 

[Hasney]

Wand of Scanalon now needs to happen.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

it's better than spirit tracks

Spirit Tracks is a good game so it's better than PH by default



(i've been sitting here trying to come up with an analogy from a different series for saying PH is better than LA and I'm stumped. The gulf in quality is that big)

 

[Hot Coldman]

link's awakening is a formative and revolutionary game in the series that still remains charming and clever to this day

phantom hourglass is the one zelda game I will say is outright bad. it shits over wind waker, it steals the twist from link's awakening but makes it shitty, and it shits over you

it's like... PH is one of the few Nintendo games where I'm like "that's 100% coasting off gimmicks", so to see them fall for that shit is baffling

it has moments of novelty but it utterly fails to build an engaging adventure or brilliant level design around them, which literally every other Zelda game manages to do

meanwhile Spirit Tracks is brimming with life, great characters, brilliant dungeon design and a hell of a soundtrack (name one good PH tune?). the train stuff is cumbersome and definitely lets it down but even so, it's legit

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I've got it

Jeff saying that Phantom Hourglass is better than Link's Awakening is legitimately equally as bad, if not worse, than Dan saying that Terminator 3 is better than The Terminator

 

[ratcliffja]

Minish Cap is legit good. I'm glad I'm not the only one that really like it. It's Top 5 for me. Majora's Mask is good, but it's not in my Top 5. I actually really liked Four Swords Adventure, too.

Edit: Drew is really quiet. Has he not played most of these? I think we need a new feature.

I agree with all of this (aside from Drew being quiet since I'm not watching the live stream). The Minish Cap is definitely my favorite handheld Zelda. The Phantom Hourglass remains the only Zelda game I just can't bring myself to finish. The timed stealth dungeon that you constantly have to repeat was incredibly frustrating for me.

 

[oti]

Spirit Tracks is a good game so it's better than PH by default



(i've been sitting here trying to come up with an analogy from a different series for saying PH is better than LA and I'm stumped. The gulf in quality is that big)

The train game better than Phantom Hourglass?
You cray cray.

 

[broncobuster]

Spirit Tracks is a good game if you somehow take out, I don't know, 40% of it? There's nothing you can do to make Phantom Hourglass good short of tossing it and starting from scratch.

 

[Zaph]

Throw Danny a bone and get his last Lobby into the triple digits https://www.twitch.tv/gamespot

 

[jaina]

Lobby is also youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufz0p9Bo7jg

 

[Incandenza]

It's funny to hear Dan talk about NY vs. SF given that this week I'll probably find out whether I'm moving to New York City or the Bay Area.

Spoiler

I'm hoping for NY

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Wand of Scanalon now needs to happen.

Did you come up with that or is that a Danism? Because it's great.

 

[Curufinwe]

"Phantom Hourglass is a better game than Link's Awakening"

Oh Jeff. Ohhhhhhhhhhh Jeff.

Updated list of seminal games that Jeff either doesn't much care for or actively hates.

Link's Awakening
Resident Evil
FFVII
Metal Gear Solid
Half-Life
Half-Life 2
Resident Evil 4
Red Dead Redemption
The Last of Us

 

[Ashby]

Gen Xers are too old to realize contrarianism hasn't been cool for a long time so I understand.

 

[KingKong]

Updated list of seminal games that Jeff either doesn't much care for or actively hates.

Link's Awakening
Resident Evil
FFVII
Metal Gear Solid
Half-Life
Half-Life 2
Resident Evil 4
Red Dead Redemption
The Last of Us

Half Life and MGS are the only standouts on that list to me. Those you cant really logically argue against but the others I can totally see someone not liking, especially if they didnt play them when they first came out

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

Updated list of seminal games that Jeff either doesn't much care for or actively hates.

Link's Awakening
Resident Evil
FFVII
Metal Gear Solid
Half-Life
Half-Life 2
Resident Evil 4
Red Dead Redemption
The Last of Us

This would make for a perfectly acceptable (if redundant) list of the top 9 games of the past 30 years

 

[Curufinwe]

Half Life and MGS are the only standouts on that list to me

RE4 is probably the highest rated and most influential of all of them.

When I originally brought it up someone mentioned Super Metroid, but I wasn't sure if he actually disliked that game. Anyone know for certain?

 

[Piston Hyundai]

RE4 is probably the highest rated and most influential of all of them.

Half-Life. Easily.

 

[stump sock]

I've got it

Jeff saying that Phantom Hourglass is better than Link's Awakening is legitimately equally as bad, if not worse, than Dan saying that Terminator 3 is better than The Terminator

oof, yeah definitely.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

I've got it

Jeff saying that Phantom Hourglass is better than Link's Awakening is legitimately equally as bad, if not worse, than Dan saying that Terminator 3 is better than The Terminator

That's actually a very apt comparison.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Half-Life. Easily.

Given that they were influential in entirely separate areas of design and programming, it's fair to say they're tied

edit: well thinking of HL2 here mostly

 

[KingKong]

RE4 is probably the highest rated and most influential of all of them.

I believe Half Life is a little more influential

 

[KingKong]

The crazy thing about Half Life is that it aged so much better than Half Life 2

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

I skipped the live Bombcast but am watching The Lobby. My life is in shambles.

 

[stump sock]

Given that they were influential in entirely separate areas of design and programming, it's fair to say they're tied

edit: well thinking of HL2 here mostly

you all are insane. RE4's not even the most influential RE game ffs

 

[oti]

Updated list of seminal games that Jeff either doesn't much care for or actively hates.

Link's Awakening
Resident Evil
FFVII
Metal Gear Solid
Half-Life
Half-Life 2
Resident Evil 4
Red Dead Redemption
The Last of Us

He's right about

Spoiler

Red Dead

though

 

[SomberOwl]

Does anyone know if Amazon is offering the Modern Warfare campaign 30 days early on PS4 for pre-ordering Infinite Warfare? I usually get my games through Amazon but if I can't get the MW campaign early I might pre-order somewhere else.

 

[Hindl]

Updated list of seminal games that Jeff either doesn't much care for or actively hates.

Link's Awakening
Resident Evil
FFVII
Metal Gear Solid
Half-Life
Half-Life 2
Resident Evil 4
Red Dead Redemption
The Last of Us

Missing Metroid Prime

 

[Hot Coldman]

you all are insane. RE4's not even the most influential RE game ffs

You still have like a ton of games where dudes aim guns at people and the camera sits on their shoulder, I'm not sure what Resi 1 or 2 did that made more of a mark than that

besides the idea of "scary games" being mainstream I guess

 

[blackMamba1187]

Missing Metroid Prime

And Yoshi's Island.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

You still have like a ton of games where dudes aim guns at people and the camera sits on their shoulder, I'm not sure what Resi 1 or 2 did that made more of a mark than that

besides the idea of "scary games" being mainstream I guess

Dude ink ribbons are in EVERY game.