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Giant Bomb #6 | You'd be hard pressed to find 10 better threads this year.
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Fotheringay
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Every single time Vinny takes on a boss, I say to myself, "No way does this work for him." Guess I shouldn't doubt the V-bomb.
Edit: Oh Vinny fucking slaying her is too much.
Edit: Oh Vinny fucking slaying her is too much.
Beelzeboss
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RomanticHeroX
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Vinny you prick.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Vinny discovering something epic name bro missed! :O
SuperLurker
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Vinny was Manus the whole time.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Iron flesh is truly OP.
Technosteve
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you weren't supposed to kill the girl?
Of course you were, she was Manus.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I personally subscribe to vinny's "everybody is manus" theory.
MrTroubleMaker
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lol Vinny did it
RomanticHeroX
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And then immediately invalidated doing it. If Dusk dies in the past doesn't that make a time paradox?
Man, the way Vinny is handling every boss fight with iron flesh is a total bummer.
Seeing him do a real one on one fight was incredible.
Cheesing everything is super weak. I get that they put it in there so it's valid but it's a lame way to play if you really want to enjoy the game. It's basically an opt out.
Seeing him do a real one on one fight was incredible.
Cheesing everything is super weak. I get that they put it in there so it's valid but it's a lame way to play if you really want to enjoy the game. It's basically an opt out.
MrTroubleMaker
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yeah it does lol
eot
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Yeah, the Artorias fight was the best episode
Funchameleon
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Vinny flaunting how poorly designed some of Dark Souls is to some of its biggest fans (including the two sitting next to him) is really my favourite site feature probably ever
Was it chubigans who sent the Texas Trash?
Giant bomb is pretty big on the path of least resistance, which honestly is a good way to ruin games for yourself.
Brad really needs to just plan in Breaking Brad as a weekly feature. Currently It kinda seems like Patrick is providing about twice as much content as the other guys.
Yeah I was pretty surprised at Brad's UPF segment last week.
eot
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That you can over-level and stack defensive stats is pretty low on the list of actual problems with Dark Souls. It's just not as fun to watch.
Funchameleon
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What the fuck is the point of challenging combat if you can just subvert it entirely using readily available mechanics? Vinny and friends ask that and more live every Wednesday
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
You might as well complain that every RPG ever is bad because you can grind in it.
Well to be fair you only get away with it on your first playthrough. On NG+ and beyond that shit doesn't work. I don't really mind the face tank strategy too much, it's fine that it is viable. But seeing as how epic the Artorias fight was and how amazing it was to fight him with dodging and hit and run tactics, it'd be nice to utilize that strategy across the board. Like Vinny said early in the stream though, playing the game for 2 hour spurts every week or 2 weeks is not a great way to play. It's tough to get a rhythm for the combat and enemies if you aren't playing regularly. So, you just tank a boss, swing and swig on Estus because you feel obligated to kill a boss for every episode of the show.
Funchameleon
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Nothing about what Vinny is doing couldn't be done at a more reasonable slvl
and RPGs you can easily outlevel without even really realising it, as Vinny has, are poorly designed. All Vinny's been doing is trying to get weapon upgrades. And RPGs aren't usually lauded entirely on the merits of their challenge.
and RPGs you can easily outlevel without even really realising it, as Vinny has, are poorly designed. All Vinny's been doing is trying to get weapon upgrades. And RPGs aren't usually lauded entirely on the merits of their challenge.
Hot Coldman
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It lets him stay in the Langzone wherever he goes.
Because challenging combat is fun, and grinding and cheese tactics are not, but can still get bad players through a game. Intentionally making the game less fun for yourself is dumb. I understand it's born from reviewers playing lots of games and having deadlines, but it's still a bad habit.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
No, if vinny didn't max out his strength to an insane level for where he is at currently, he would not have been doing enough damage to mitigate the constant damage he was receiving. It's pretty clear that he used the forest exploit. Nothing about his current strength level is indicative of normal progression.
Vinny isn't over-leveled or over-geared at all. +15 'A' Grade Scaling STR weapon with 40 STR will deal a ton of damage. From Software spaces out the Embers for weapon modifications to dictate how well your gear is upgraded for certain portions of the game. Good players can bypass some of that by going into tough areas early and going for embers that usually are much later game.
SL 80 ish is also perfectly fine for a Soul level at this stage of the game. Vinny has killed nearly every boss in the game and the DLC, and he hasn't spent that many souls on spells or upgrade stones. Dark Souls really isn't as hard as people say it is, it just takes a lot of time and effort. Vinny has put 80 hours into it, he should be doing a ton of damage and able to take damage.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
He's been at roughly the same strength level just after getting the lord vessel. I really don't think normal play would get you that strong that fast.
+15 weapon definitely helps, though he's been wielding +5 BK halberd since the beginning too.
+15 weapon definitely helps, though he's been wielding +5 BK halberd since the beginning too.
Funchameleon
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If Dark Souls is asking entirely for self-imposed challenge it really diminishes the accomplishment of beating it. Note that the game's subtitle is "Prepare to Die".
I haven't done the DLC but Marus looks to demand a shitload of mobility so Vinny's choices were to either strip down to 25% encumbrance and trial and error through the fight for a bit before he knew enough about it to skill through, live on the internet, or to just use what the game gave him. He did, in the most hilarious way.
I feel like this stream would be hours and hours of failure if he wasn't so overleveled and I don't think that would have been more fun to watch. I know people have differing opinions on this, but by the time he was on his tenth or so attempt at Artorias, I was pretty checked out. Imagining the entire game being played that way...uggg....
I had no idea SelectaVision was a thing. I must have one.
TheBaronOfNA
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I think you are missing the beauty of that game, that is difficult but flexible enough. Vinny is overleved by choice and still the tank strategy would not always work.
That's the beauty you see in it. Not everyone feels that way. I notice that tons of people put Dark souls on a pedestal surrounded by their own ideas of how the game should be played. If none of those ways are done then they complain and say the person playing is doing it wrong.
But guess what? People enjoy games in different ways. Sorry but those things you hold so highly are not held as highly by everyone else. He didn't cheat the system. He used the tools provided to him and he had fun with it. That's what ultimately matters.
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