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Giant Bomb #6 | You'd be hard pressed to find 10 better threads this year.
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It would be the crew sitting down and asking developers interesting and thoughtful questions.
Advertisers would hate it.
EmCeeGramr
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i laughed at patrick acting like joel mchale's drunken piss taking of this whole shitshow is an insult to The Medium
Now he knows what watching Giantbomb's PS4 reveal stream was like.
Oh shit
Yup, that was pretty great.
terrdactycalsrock
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I dont think Dota 2 should be up for GOTY. Yes, it officially came out this year. However, the game was so widely popular and well known that it had competitive play where the winner took home a lot of cash. Those beta keys were so easy to get you couldnt throw a rock without hitting one. If Dota 2 wins it will win on the bases of a semantic argument which is really dumb
So what you're saying is the GOTY awards in 2011 or 2012 were completely flawed and they should do them again?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Then why didn't they allow dota into past year's discussions?
BendingUnit
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I didn't watch the show so what did Joel do that was so insulting to video games?
terrdactycalsrock
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Yeah, I knew someone would bring this up. You make a valid point. Because Dota 2 is a good game, and I want it to be recognized as such. But I cant get over the fact that it was so popular before its "release". Plus, I dont even think Brad was playing Dota 2 in 2011 or 2012 so even if we had a time machine, Dota 2 would have never won.
I see two ways of getting around the issue. One, create a category for best game with on going development, Dota 2 would probably win that. Two, make the top 10 lists more personal. Instead of those lists adhering to games released this year, they should be games the individual person had played that year. Because I think the majority of us play a game that we missed last year and it becomes a favorite of ours. I think having different pentameters for the top 10 lists are really the way to go
Eh, there were tonne of jokes about basically how pathetic the audience is, which is... you know... great
who fucking cares
I dunno man... I work in the game industry and I kinda feel embarassed right now. It was a total shitshow of an embarassment tonight.
funkystudent
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Its like if they took the awkwardness of Patricks Nolan North interview and made a 3 hour show around it.
But isn't that what happens every single year with this event?
Oh yeah...nothing new tonight lol. I guess the difference is that unlike in the past years where it was just dumb and awkward (like the uncle you see once a year that tries to be "cool" and "hip") where this year McHale was bordeline insulting to anybody who genuinly love video games and its industry.
In a way I kinda feel bad for Geoff Keighley. He really sound like a cool dude that love his job but is always stuck in the worst situations.
I got the impression that the trailer is all they have, that game is a long way off.
Askherserenity
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It pretty much was. He was being a complete ass throughout the whole thing. I know he doesn't give a fuck but he doesn't have to be a douche about it.
Backfoggen
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I thought he was pretty funny
A Sentient Keyboard
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Joel McHale acting disinterested and mocking games/gamers/'game culture' wasn't what was embarrasing. It's kind of his shtick. Plus, it was fun to see him put some pressure on pr-trained studio representatives that only got softball questions from Keighley (i.e. Joel straight up asked Reggie how much money SM3DW made and if he liked the PS4/Xbox One, and asked Keighley if he has ever publicly disliked a game).
What was embarrasing were the jokes that were written for him to read off the teleprompter. Jokes about adult diapers, the female orgasm, his testicles, etc. Just really lazy, really cringy stuff. It's like the writers thought 'nobody over the age of 15 is going to watch a video games award show, right?' That's why people say that VGX/VGA is why people don't take games seriously.
Oh, and then there where the guys who were supposed to hype up the GTA concert. Oof.
What was embarrasing were the jokes that were written for him to read off the teleprompter. Jokes about adult diapers, the female orgasm, his testicles, etc. Just really lazy, really cringy stuff. It's like the writers thought 'nobody over the age of 15 is going to watch a video games award show, right?' That's why people say that VGX/VGA is why people don't take games seriously.
Oh, and then there where the guys who were supposed to hype up the GTA concert. Oof.
paradox121
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I think this is key. A lot of people seem to be acting as if Joel just walked in off the street and started telling these terrible jokes. This was clearly written poorly in an attempt to offset Keighley. And, I mean, I'd at least hope Keighley had some say in the tone of the show and who his co-presenter is. I'd personally place the blame on the writers and whoever thought it'd be a great idea to drag the whole thing on for 3 hours.
VGA/X is not the video game equivalent of something respectable like Academy Awards/Golden Globes - it's closer to the MTV movie awards. Expectations should be set accordingly. Not sure what Patrick hoped for.
IMO Joel gets some respect by going offscript and putting some pressure on the PRs/developers/Geoff. It's ridiculous how the gaming press generally acts like an extension of the marketing machine. Barring a couple publications, they're all scared of getting their access cut off, so they stick to whatever line of questioning PR has told them. This is why we're now in a situation of having trailers for a new gun or single car and announcements of announcement for the release date announcement. And why so few developers are allowed to sit down with Giant Bomb for an hour. PR has access wrapped up that tightly.
Not acting like Joel was some sort of savior, but because he's 'Hollywood' he doesn't have to worry about being out of a job tomorrow and can say what he pleases. We need more of that freedom (but a little less toilet humor).
IMO Joel gets some respect by going offscript and putting some pressure on the PRs/developers/Geoff. It's ridiculous how the gaming press generally acts like an extension of the marketing machine. Barring a couple publications, they're all scared of getting their access cut off, so they stick to whatever line of questioning PR has told them. This is why we're now in a situation of having trailers for a new gun or single car and announcements of announcement for the release date announcement. And why so few developers are allowed to sit down with Giant Bomb for an hour. PR has access wrapped up that tightly.
Not acting like Joel was some sort of savior, but because he's 'Hollywood' he doesn't have to worry about being out of a job tomorrow and can say what he pleases. We need more of that freedom (but a little less toilet humor).
Would you say Joel acted more like a journalist than games journalists? I slept through the whole thing.
I've always said the problems with the PR-journalist (or enthusiast press really) is because publishers hold too much power. That's not likely to change anytime soon since enthusiast press will always look out for whoever gives them their pay, which is most definitely not the consumers.
Vinterbird
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What story heavy games should we expect the crew to discuss during their podcast deliberation series? I wanna get those of my to do list before they spoil them in their discussions.
A Sentient Keyboard
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You might want to finish Dota 2 before Brad will inevitably spoil it.
Antiwhippy
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God, I can't imagine how many people will be pissed off at him spoiling THAT moment in the middle lane's second tower.
A Sentient Keyboard
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Rip Pudge :'(
I thought the plot twist where he came back to life was really far fetched nonsense. The so called "aegis" was such a deus ex machina.
No, I wouldn't go so far as to say he acted like a journalist, that would be disrespectful to the few good ones in this industry at the likes of RPS and Kotaku.
But he did shine a light on just how ridiculous the enthusiast press has allowed this industry to become - no normal person from the outside could look at all the bullshit and layers and layers of controlled PR and marketing and not go "err wtf guys?".
But because press access is so limited, because developers/designers/artists remain so invisible, were left with a environment where, unlike Hollywood, the press isn't feared. They're toothless and too eager to please PR firms/publishers (for when they apply for a job...) which allows everyone involved to lose sense of reality and we end up with VGX - couple of interesting moments wrapped in hours off bullshit.
Great thread here with people putting it far more eloquently than I: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=730645
It all originates from the same problem that causes people in this very thread to complain it's always the same developers on Giant Bomb's couch. This is an industry so artificially controlled that for most PR's, the idea of a developer sitting down and just chatting for an hour is *crazy* and would never happen.
Felix Lighter
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I just watched the highlight videos in the one VGX thread. He was a comedian observing ridiculousness and improvised. From the producers point of view, it had to be a disaster but from what I saw, it was hilarious.
Was this really a celebration of the talent of the industry and the past year of games or a vehicle to promote upcoming titles to the consumer? The majority of the improvised jokes that I caught seemed to be targeting that aspect of the show.
It all comes from publishers having too much power, that's the root of the problem. From executive meddling to the carefully controlled press access to the poor management to the focus testing to the...
The only question is whether that's a necessary evil.
Last years VGA's were pretty hype
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People who are constantly "on" all the time are totally like that. Jeff can't even be alone with his thoughts for the 20 minute drive to work.
I'm not passing judgement one way or another, just observing. Jeff is a big boy.
I'm like that. My brain is constantly buzzing with activity and I find it hard to "shut off" which also makes it hard to sleep unless I'm dead tired. I just really like to think and my mind constantly wanders from topic to topic, although I prefer stewing with my thoughts to sharing said thoughts (unless I'm on Gaf).
Crying is hard man.
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Backfoggen
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Its not unusual. I was always told to hold it in when I was a kid - I havent cried for 20 years.
Mister Negative
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How many of them haven't finished TLOU?
Billy Zero
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