Figuring out what works and doing that? Yeah, what a terrible way to play a game.
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Figuring out what works and doing that? Yeah, what a terrible way to play a game.
I speel my dreenk
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At first I was sort of cursing flake83 for invading and decimating Patrick, figuring him to be a typical stream troll. I realize now, however, that he's a supervillain, ever-present and looming, like the end-boss who shows up at various points in the game who you aren't supposed to beat until the end. It's really fantastic, kudos flake83.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
At the end, Patrick, having accumulated all the knowledge he had throughout the game, will defeat flake83, and flake will fade away, with a smile and a wink.
Someone should invade him with this guy... or maybe a surprise dance party
I find the path of least resistance is generally not the most rewarding way to play a game.
I speel my dreenk
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I hope so! How perfect an end would that be?
They seemed pretty satisfied to me.
Beast Legacy
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MickeyKnox
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I use screwdrivers to turn screws, hammers to hammer nails, and wrenches to turn nuts. When a tool presents itself as the best one for the job, that's the tool I use.
Fried Food
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Finishing up that Demon's Souls BB. So far it's been the worst one. Vinny is giving way too much advice and strong hints. And the game just isn't that hard. I don't see Brad ever "breaking" in the same way he did with the other BBs, and that was the whole point.
I think 1-1 and his magic wand will actually set him up for some surprises in later levels and worlds. I can't wait to see him take on the Tower of Latria.
However, he's also not a complete noob to the Souls games, like everyone else was when they first played Demons', so he'll always be a step ahead of how we might expect him to fare.
However, he's also not a complete noob to the Souls games, like everyone else was when they first played Demons', so he'll always be a step ahead of how we might expect him to fare.
Gozer the Gozerian
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Is Patrick really human that often to have to worry about being invaded by that guy all the time? I feel like I'm undead like 90% of the time, I don't have much humanity.
I've only watched Pat's stream a couple of times, but he only ever seems to go human to kindle. The fact that he often stays alive for so long, and gets through areas fairly quickly (and on to new bonfires to kindle), leads to him overall being human for a larger percentage of game time.
The dude that keeps invading him is weird. It's hardly funny, and it tends to happen so soon after turning human that it's hardly that annoying either; it's just weird that this one guy takes the time to follow him around. Would have been interesting to see a normal spread of invaders coming into his game over the course of a playthrough.
The dude that keeps invading him is weird. It's hardly funny, and it tends to happen so soon after turning human that it's hardly that annoying either; it's just weird that this one guy takes the time to follow him around. Would have been interesting to see a normal spread of invaders coming into his game over the course of a playthrough.
That's a great analogy if you think of gaming as a chore.
The most efficient way to play a game is often cheesy and boring and leads you to miss content, or not experience the game to it's fullest.
To be fair I think Patrick was doing fine for the first time playing.
It was mostly Vinny trying to break the game, and I'm sure he was doing that because he feels he has to be entertaining on the stream.
I'm pretty sure that's just how he plays games. see: Dead Rising 3.
I don't think of games as a chore. I see them as a set of tools and obstacles laid out to reach an objective. If I find a tool that presents an efficient way to pass an obstacle, I'm going to use it. If I'm not supposed to use it, the designer shouldn't have given me that tool to begin with.
Being stuck on a difficult game and not being able to progress despite hours of repeated attempts at the same content is the biggest chore in the world. I would rather vacuum the house.
voodoopanda
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Dark Souls is an interesting case for this argument, due to how little the game itself tells the player and how much knowledge of the game increases easiness. The game doesn't tell the player which tools are the most efficient, and discovering that for yourself seems to be a big element of the game. It isn't easy to find & test all the tools and therefore, without prior knowledge, you may be forced to make due with worse than optimal. It's a game where the more you learn, the easier it gets, but its also very difficult to learn stuff in the first place. However it's also very easy to listen to someone tell you which tools are most efficient and then follow that path.
The game is definitely designed not to be as blatantly obvious as "use water attacks on fire monsters" as a lot of other games are, so it depends on how much you value discovering that for yourself or making your own, probably more difficult, path without perfect knowledge vs doing whatever the internet says is easiest in order to make the game less challenging. It's a weird balance that not many games create, and I can see why people who prefer either side or somewhere inbetween.
KingGiddra
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I just now figured out Patrick has been uploading the Dark Souls videos to youtube. I've been having a horrific experience trying to watch his stuff on twitch. Finally I can watch his run in more than 30 seconds chunks.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
So you are saying: Gaming is no chore, but you should try to make it one?
Cause making a game artificially harder and playing a way I don't want to play sure sounds like a chore to me.
HawkeyeFIN
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Oh shit, thanks for the heads up! Now I'll just need to make a sandwich and start watching.
I was a bit disappointed to hear Patrick write off the Crystal Caves as devoid of any positives when there were really just a few small factors that led him to having a bad time. Those being the slippery collision on the path forward which caused him to instantly disregard it as a dead end, the presence of an inexplicable 2 foot invisible ledge to nowhere, and that crystal whose orientation makes it not at all obvious that one face is perfectly safe to walk on and the other an instant slide to death.
I thought that area was visually really cool and distinct from the anything else in the game, and I liked that you had to approach it with patience despite being in a wide open space without the threat of enemy attack.
I thought that area was visually really cool and distinct from the anything else in the game, and I liked that you had to approach it with patience despite being in a wide open space without the threat of enemy attack.
I thought the gentle ribbing was hilarious.
The youtube versions have always looked terrible, since 360p videos get recompressed at a minuscule bitrate.
So, I recently bought Premium membership for giantbomb.com and obviously started watching paid content. And I have a question - Is there a different site that hosts older TNT's other than Ustream? Earliest TNT on giantbomb.com is from 02/10/11, but there are like 30 older ones on qlcrew.com (http://qlcrew.com/?vid_type=tnt&anyone=anyone&inc[0]=&exc[0]=&p=10&per_page=15) that are not available on the main site. There are some Twitch ones, which seem fine, and most of those are Ustream ones, which have some awful bitrates, that makes them literally unwatchable...
Is it even worth watching them, or should I just skip to those available on the main site?
Is it even worth watching them, or should I just skip to those available on the main site?
Incandenza
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The early TNTs were done out of the OG Sausalito basement, where there streaming setup was janky at best (I remember the herculean efforts it took to do the Matrix Online finale stream). So yeah, the bitrates were real, real rough. There's nothing very memorable about those early episodes anyway, I wouldn't worry about skipping them.
Have you watched all the other old premium stuff like Random PC game and LOLS? All the UPFs since January? I would really only look for old TNTs if I was really desperate for content. Aside from a few great ones, most of them were not particularly good at the time; watching them now would be even less entertaining.
I don't think it's problem per se, they just made that a possibility for people who are bad at games, so even they could beat the game eventually.
No, I'm saying that in challenge based games, not cheesing the game is ultimately more fun and rewarding.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
How exactly are they cheesing the game again? I don't watch Patrick's playthrough but I don't remember Vinny doing anything cheesy (?) besides the one time when he let other people kill a boss for him...
Cheesing the game, at least for me, would be exploiting a glitch or an AI routine (like sniping them with the bow outside of their agro range), not wearing heavy armor and double handing a weapon...
Oh wow. Don't even bother responding to me. This is probably the stupidest thing I read all day
tryagainlater
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I'm thinking of getting Dark Souls at some point and I feel I would enjoy it more if people told me the easiest way for me to not die and be less frustrated with it. That's how I got through Demon's Souls, just used the soul ray or whatever it's called throughout the entire game and thankfully was never invaded. I don't see the problem and I don't get this "you have to play it a certain way" attitude.
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Why is Patrick's character cosplaying as Vinny's?
I got the impression Alex meant that the GB guys weren't invited to attend.
funkystudent
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So.... has anyone else just completely fallen off the Bombin' in the AM train?
Havent listened in weeks.
Havent listened in weeks.
Those two guys actually play games so no. I do skip the ones with guests though.
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Nah I still listen to it all the time, I wish they could have a way to get the audio up ASAP though. I don't really have any interest in it as a video feature and lots of times I end up just playing the video on my phone just to listen to the audio which kills the battery life. I wish they would prioritize the audio version and get it up like 15 minutes after the live stream ends.
Yeah, I don't want to admit it, but I don't find the guest ones compelling, but the core cast is great. Alex's Singapore story tops anything on a recent bombcast.
It sounded more like it was a point of contention with his girlfriend, and probably that the funeral was arranged too quick to get an easy flight out.
Infinite Justice
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MrTroubleMaker
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lol why not, Vinny's is great!
I haven't seen either of them play Dark Souls, but I agree with this philosophy. Playing a hard game and cheesing it to win kinda defeats the point. If you're just playing the game to get to the end you kinda cheat yourself out of playing the game the way it was intended. Your time would be better spent playing something you enjoy. Though, for some, cheesing a game is what they get their enjoyment from. So to each there own.
I don't know about this. An example I'll give is I just finished Rondo of Blood the whole way through with Richter. Who is a very stiff controlling character. He is designed to be unforgiving. Maria a secret character who can be unlocked by stage 2 plays so much better than Richter. She has double jumps, rolls, and her attacks can be spammed. She is overall much better suited for the player. She isn't rewarding however, since you can cheese the whole game with her. Taking away from the challenge which is a major part of the game. She is the best tool for the job, but Richter is the character the game was designed for. He is the more rewarding character to play and I got a ton of satisfaction from playing as him.
What I'm really saying is Rondo of Blood should be the next Breaking Brad game.
lol dammit vinny
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