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Giant Bomb #9 | More Dan Meets The Eye

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Indignate

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The problem is that I love GB content, and I can't avoid that stuff if GB starts turning on the Kucheraisms in order to try to get more hits and whatnot. That's more what I'm reacting to more than anything else.

Well, you can stop reacting because that's not what they're doing even though you've implied it several times.

It almost sounds like you're in denial that anybody would hate on Metro that you're inventing this world where GB fixes their content to up their "ratings."
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
The only real answer is Vinny
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JayEH

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Yeah....I wish I could do the same and save myself the headache, but I just feel like it hits too close to home sometimes. During the latest bombcast, I couldn't help but just be kinda pissed off and I suppose jealous how Dan just conned his way through college from the sound of it. I mean, he didn't even fucking go to his classes, and the professor gave him an A??! I got teachers right now who spent the first fucking day of the class imprinting how you fail if your attendance is poor.

I work my ass off in school right now, and he fucking got away with being a fucking con-artist basically, just pisses me off.

I feel the same way buddy. It's not funny at all to me. At least Brad feels the same way.
 

Zaph

Member
So if Dan and Brad do the P5 QL and Dan trashes it will you again be surprised that the comments section is full of vitriol?

I never played Metro so Dan hating on these games doesn't bother me. But there's a dedicated fan base for the series, and its well regarded by the games media in general so this type of reaction was basically guaranteed.

I'd find it odd that Jeff or Vinny didn't do it, but I wouldn't be upset. And you should always be surprised at vitriol over non-issues, especially when it involves personal attacks.

I ain't expecting the internet to change over night, but the tolerance and nonchalant attitude we have towards blatant overreactions which lack any perspective is how we've ended up in the position we're in now - the harassment and gamergate shit happens because apparently it's okay to get mad over stuff you like.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Well, you can stop reacting because that's not what they're doing even though you've implied it several times.

It almost sounds like you're in denial that anybody would hate on Metro that you're inventing this world where GB fixes their content to up their "ratings."
Well, I am a generally cynical person. When I see that their Metro QL has like 400 comments on a Sunday, I feel like someone somewhere is happy that the site is getting hits even when no one is in the office.

One of the best QLs ever, for sure.
Yeah. Maybe I just want happy QLs. lol
 

Loxley

Member
I almost want a reverse of Metal Gear Scanlon, where Drew watches Dan play through Halo. Given how much Dan hates the Halo story and has gone on about how he thinks it's all terrible (which you could argue is a bit of odd criticism to have for someone so heavily invested in Metal Gear's universe) I think many laughs could be had.

In fact, have Dan play Reach on mute while Drew reads The Fall of Reach novel aloud the entire time and just see how far Dan can make it.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
I almost want a reverse of Metal Gear Scanlon, where Drew watches Dan play through Halo. Given how much Dan hates the Halo story and has gone on about how he thinks it's all terrible (which you could argue is a bit of odd criticism to have for someone so heavily invested in Metal Gear's universe) I think many laughs could be had.

In fact, have Dan play Reach on mute while Drew reads The Fall of Reach novel aloud the entire time and just see how far Dan can make it.

I don't think Drew's the kind of person to care if Dan hates it or not though. I don't think it affects his enjoyment because he's not as focused on games at a lot of other people on the crew and on the site.

I do miss when they were going to do that feature of him and Patrick playing Alien games.
 
I don't get the idea that since Dan likes Metal Gear lore, it's hypocritical of him to dismiss Halo's lore.

I think his reasons for it weren't so much "I think this is well-made and this isn't" but "I can't believe people get so in to this, it's so weird."

Which does flirt with the hypocritical line.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Yeah. Between Dynasty Warriors, Destiny, Smash, and now Metro... its been a week full of "Fuck Jeff/Brad/Dan because they hate this game that I like" comments.
I don't have positive feelings about any of these games, I just think the stuff Giant Bomb has been putting out lately is really boring to watch.
 
I don't have positive feelings about any of these games, I just think the stuff Giant Bomb has been putting out lately is really boring to watch.

Yeah, and it's not completely because they don't like a game, it's because they don't make playing a game they don't like fun. I realize Vinny has important stuff going on, but man, I'm missing him so much right now. He could make bad games fun to watch.
 

Loxley

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I think his reasons for it weren't so much "I think this is well-made and this isn't" but "I can't believe people get so in to this, it's so weird."

Which does flirt with the hypocritical line.

Yeah, that was more what my point was. Dan's contrasting views on people liking the Halo lore vs. his own enjoyment of the Metal Gear universe was just an observation I'd had while watching he and Drew play through MGS. I should point out I couldn't care less one way or the other since I'm not heavily invested in the lore of any game franchises (outside of - maybe - Warcraft. And that joke writes itself).
 

Alfredo

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Yeah, and it's not completely because they don't like a game, it's because they don't make playing a game they don't like fun. I realize Vinny has important stuff going on, but man, I'm missing him so much right now. He could make bad games fun to watch.

Could you imagine that Blackbay Asylum Quick Look with anyone other than Vinny playing it? Even Alex's cynicism couldn't bring Vinny down!
 

bonercop

Member
I'm not even arguing that my favourite content are them yelling at games or whatever, I'm just saying that it's nothing new for them to do QLs of games they dislike/have heard bad things about, and spend the entire time shitting on said game. And GB fans generally like that when it's a game they don't like. But whatever, I think we pretty much agree here, but are just talking about slightly different things.

hmmm, I like it when it's a game that's irredeemably bad like those terrible quiz show things on the wii, but I think it's annoying otherwise when they're being super dismissive to an unreasonable extent. i mean(for example), they should have at least given that dynasty warriors game a chance you know?

I think dynasty warrior games are terrible and boring, but I think the series at least deserves more from a quick look than having them jump into a random mission, hitting square for 40 minutes(and refusing to do anything else) with the same character while not paying attention to anything that is going on and complaining about previous games in the series without even checking what has been changed in the new one.
 
I think for me, more than anything, I am getting less interested in the videos of "Watch the guys shit on things that you could make a reasonable argument for." I am guessing most people aren't to that point yet and I am a weird outlier, but it's making me less likely to want to watch their free content.

Part of it is that Vinny's gone from the main office and from quicklooks in general for a while (for good reasons, no one's arguing that) and he used to be the only person who would go "Nah, this isn't that bad." Well, Patrick, too, after investigation would often jump out of his comfort zones and then, even if he didn't really dig something, would just move on instead of taking it as an affront to his sensibilities.

But I think most people still like these things, so I'm not demanding a change or anything, I wouldn't be in a position to even if I were to try. It just means I watch less and less quicklooks and look more forward to the increasingly-sporadic other features. At which point, time doesn't really become a factor in watching Giant Bomb content and I'm more like to get a month here and there than subscribe for a year because I can just download, say, Mario Party to my HDD and watch it at my leisure since it's not really time sensitive.
 

kvothe

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Well, I am a generally cynical person. When I see that their Metro QL has like 400 comments on a Sunday, I feel like someone somewhere is happy that the site is getting hits even when no one is in the office.


Yeah. Maybe I just want happy QLs. lol

Giant Bomb is probably the most upfront game website out there. They do what they do because they want to, not because of some behind the scenes manipulation. You're being too paranoid.
 
I just wish he gave us something to chew on. One liner declarative statements like "this is the best", "nope, this is the best", "this is boring", "nope, you're wrong" give us so little to work with.

Not even all the time. Like, just once in a while, you know.
I think you nail it. Dan didn't give us anything meaty to laugh about, even if he hates the game. He hasn't given us Jeff levels of Yoshi or Nights or Mario wah wah amazing ridiculous hatred that it becomes funny. Dan isn't making jokes here, he just hates the series and not giving us much to work with to let him off. If he's going to be negative with not much light, then the comments will get even more vindictive. I don't hate him after this, but just know to be wary if he QLs on these kinds of games and not watch because there's no entertainment.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Giant Bomb is probably the most upfront game website out there. They do what they do because they want to, not because of some behind the scenes manipulation. You're being too paranoid.
Part of it is I'm still not sure how much of Dan is a character. But he has to know when he says stuff like "Halo lore is garbage" that he is needling someone. Otherwise, why put that out there to be broadcast the entire GB fanbase?

I just assume with Kuchera, he doesn't believe half the things he writes. He just knows that people will yell at him on twitter after he posts something new. Hell, even GAF falls for his trap whenever someone makes a thread about something he writes.
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
Part of it is I'm still not sure how much of Dan is a character. But he has to know when he says stuff like "Halo lore is garbage" that he is needling someone. Otherwise, why put that out there to be broadcast the entire GB fanbase?

He said that because they were talking about the lore in destiny and bungie made both games.

There's really not that much to it.

If Dan could be said to have a virtue it's that he's absolutely not afraid to put himself out there. Don't really think he's being a character as much as just being himself.
 
I think you nail it. Dan didn't give us anything meaty to laugh about, even if he hates the game. He hasn't given us Jeff levels of Yoshi or Nights or Mario wah wah amazing ridiculous hatred that it becomes funny. Dan isn't making jokes here, he just hates the series and not giving us much to work with to let him off. If he's going to be negative with not much light, then the comments will get even more vindictive. I don't hate him after this, but just know to be wary if he QLs on these kinds of games and not watch because there's no entertainment.

The other factor is that... the Metro series, while imperfect, are actually a legitimately praised series of games. They've gained a credible reputation for quality and people generally look upon them as bringing something meaningful to the genre.

That's not something you can say for stuff like Dynasty Warriors or Rambo the Video Game.
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
The other factor is that... the Metro series, while imperfect, are actually a legitimately praised series of games. They've gained a credible reputation for quality and people generally look upon them as bringing something meaningful to the genre.

That's not something you can say for stuff like Dynasty Warriors or Rambo the Video Game.

You can say that for many other games that giantbomb covered and have disliked though. Waaaay back in the beginning.

This amount of backlash is pretty typical too.

I dunno though, I've never really been affected by the negative opinion of anybody. If anything it just shows me an interesting perspective I've never seen before. I don't really hold the things I like that sacredly.
 

hamchan

Member
The other factor is that... the Metro series, while imperfect, are actually a legitimately praised series of games. They've gained a credible reputation for quality and people generally look upon them as bringing something meaningful to the genre.

That's not something you can say for stuff like Dynasty Warriors or Rambo the Video Game.

I can say stuff like that for Dynasty Warriors, because I'm a fan of the series. I mean, if some of these people get mad because they hate Metro and then turn around on the next day and join the crew in their mocking of Dynasty Warriors, that makes them a bunch of hypocrites to be honest.
 

Zaph

Member
Sooo a friend and I were talking about the Hoodslam conversation on the bombcast. This somehow snowballed into me agreeing to go with him to a bare-knuckle boxing night in east London next week.

I might regret this.
 

ghostjoke

Banned
Halo lore is just generic boring serious sci fi religious alien stuff. It's been done before and done far better. Metal Gear borrows from whatever takes Kojima's fancy at the time of production but it has a certain campy charm to it. It might drag on (especially 4) and is stupid/inconsistent but it has it's own personality.
 
I can say stuff like that for Dynasty Warriors, because I'm a fan of the series. I mean, if some of these people get mad because they hate Metro and then turn around on the next day and join the crew in their mocking of Dynasty Warriors, that makes them a bunch of hypocrites to be honest.

Not really. Dynasty Warriors is garbage.
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
Sooo a friend and I were talking about the Hoodslam conversation on the bombcast. This somehow snowballed into me agreeing to go with him to a bare-knuckle boxing night in east London next week.

I might regret this.

Now that's an actual bloodsport.
 

jgminto

Member
I just don't get why they had Dan and Brad Quick Look the HD re-release of a series they neither enjoyed or had much experience with, especially when there are other people who have played and enjoyed the series on the site. That's useful to nobody.
 

Bacon

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I think you nail it. Dan didn't give us anything meaty to laugh about, even if he hates the game. He hasn't given us Jeff levels of Yoshi or Nights or Mario wah wah amazing ridiculous hatred that it becomes funny. Dan isn't making jokes here, he just hates the series and not giving us much to work with to let him off. If he's going to be negative with not much light, then the comments will get even more vindictive. I don't hate him after this, but just know to be wary if he QLs on these kinds of games and not watch because there's no entertainment.

Oh please. There's been plenty of times when jeff or brad outright dismiss a game in a quick look without making it entertaining. People complain about that just as much.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
He said that because they were talking about the lore in destiny and bungie made both games.

There's really not that much to it.

If Dan could be said to have a virtue it's that he's absolutely not afraid to put himself out there. Don't really think he's being a character as much as just being himself.
It's not just Halo. He just makes declarative statements about anything - the last one as anime and basically antagonizing all the animu nerds who follow the site, to the point where people are sending him DVDs now.

The thing is, I don't think he believes these things. Like when he insists MGS is not anime, that sounds like it's just him trying to maintain his character's word view. But if every week is just going to be Dan saying "random subject X is shit" and people freaking out about it, it's just going to be tiresome to sit through.

You say he puts things out there, which is true, but the way he does it makes it feel like... well, troll bait.
 
Know who people never hate? Drew. Drew is #1.

Not true. I go from loving him, to hating him a little bit every time it's his turn to choose a game on UPF. God bless the man, but he likes some BORING stuff.


As for Dan, I still love him because he's funny and actually brings an interest in games (mostly Nintendo) that has been missing from the site. That said, there is at least a good chance that seeing the whole audience (us, GB commenters, etc) take to him and his wackiness so quickly and completely is going to his head a bit and maybe making him go overboard. He's already on the verge of being more character than person, considering the conversations around him already almost completely revolve around the stupid shit he says, and nothing about his job or gaming.
 

bonercop

Member
It's not just Halo. He just makes declarative statements about anything - the last one as anime and basically antagonizing all the animu nerds who follow the site, to the point where people are sending him DVDs now.

that whole sequence of events was kinda funny though and the GB thread basically turned into the anime thread for a couple pages, so it was totally worth it.
 
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