Giant Bomb Endurance Runs: Season Two - Who The Hell Is Zach?

BR-40 was pretty good. Yay for the return of the demon dogs. I wish VJ had gotten a chance to encounter those.

I really wish the four of them would do a podcast to wrap up the ER and discuss the game
 
I just got to the point where Brad and Ryan didn't realize the doll was in his pocket, destroyed most of their melee weapons for no reason, then Kaysen got 95% of his health back.

This is the best thing ever.

....and then it happened again. :lol :lol
 
a Master Ninja said:
Somebody clarify some of the ending details for me.
What is with the Kaysen doll? Why does it exist? Why is it the final boss's only vulnerability?
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Darklord said:
I saw the Kaysen doll and a symbol of his former, human self. He before he turned all immortal and evil making it his weak spot. Kind of like how Georges old scars were his weak point.
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Patryn said:
If you pick to shoot Kaysen, he reveals that he's from "the Red World," IIRC. He was never human. He never did the whole immortality thing. That doesn't work (after all George did it and he's toast...literally) and was just another way for Kaysen to fuck with people.
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While I agree with everything said in the quotes, I have some demented theory that i just came up with in the last 5 minutes:

I'm watching BR Episode 40 and, at around 59:00, Brad gets hit with the green waves attack and Kaysen says "Zach, you'd make a nice little doll."

Can the entity that calls itself Kaysen turn other people into Dolls? Are these Dolls York saw earlier, in the Red/White room, other people? I have no idea, but here's a screenshot:

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I wish I could read the little signs... You can even see a military-dressed doll in there.

I wonder if the monster just turned Kaysen into a Doll and stole his body. Maybe Willie, as being a Dog, knows that the Doll is the Real Kaysen? It would explain why the military was associated with this gas thing, maybe the Creature possessed some Military Dude.

PS: I'm not saying that Willie knew Kaysen before he was the monster. The dog can't possibly have more than 15 years old and Kaysen was already "evil" 50 years ago. But whatever. That Dog killed Thomas, saved York. I wouldn't put past him feeling that the Doll was the real human. Besides, Sweary has a thing with Dogs (as pointed out by VJ). Hell, the damn city is a dog. :D
 
Fairly offtopic, but I ordered Spy Fiction and Extermination to try out Swery's other games and the former just arrived today :D

Maybe I should make a LTTP thread for it when I get the chance to play it
 
Havok said:
I just got to the point where Brad and Ryan didn't realize the doll was in his pocket, destroyed most of their melee weapons for no reason, then Kaysen got 95% of his health back.

This is the best thing ever.

....and then it happened again. :lol :lol
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I don't think I would have realized it my first time either. Jeff was pretty observant to figure it out the first time IMO.

But yes - twice? To not notice Kaysen pulling the doll out the first time? :lol

At least Brad didn't pull a Brad in all that!
 
divisionbyzorro said:
But yes - twice? To not notice Kaysen pulling the doll out the first time? :lol
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Brad was constantly looking away from both bosses at pretty much all times. Ryan had to explain the boss pattern to Brad on both occasions. IT even seemed like Brad was afraid to die, so was taking little to no chances with either battle, which is pretty much what made him die/made him take 3 times as longer to kill Kaysen.

Oh well, all is forgiven. :D
 
divisionbyzorro said:
I don't think I would have realized it my first time either. Jeff was pretty observant to figure it out the first time IMO.

But yes - twice? To not notice Kaysen pulling the doll out the first time? :lol

At least Brad didn't pull a Brad in all that!
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It's pretty obvious if you're watching him and not having commentary in your ear, or at least that's how I felt after playing it and now having watched this. You can see his arms motion towards his chest and stomach. When they were looking in the back pocket for the doll, it wouldn't have made any sense because he was turned around when he hid the doll...they would have seen it being put there.
 
Havok said:
It's pretty obvious if you're watching him and not having commentary in your ear, or at least that's how I felt after playing it and now having watched this. You can see his arms motion towards his chest and stomach. When they were looking in the back pocket for the doll, it wouldn't have made any sense because he was turned around when he hid the doll...they would have seen it being put there.
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this reads like a phoenix wright objection
 
EmCeeGramr said:
this reads like a phoenix wright objection
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Having never played a Phoenix Wright game, the reference is sadly lost on me :/

Anyway, I hope they guys do a podcast or something talking about the game, I'd like to hear how the teams feel about the game in comparison with each other, and I'd especially like to hear Brad and Ryan's opinions on their first Endurance Run. The process, time consumption, how they feel having read assholes like all of us laughing at everything that happens, etc. That was something I hoped Jeff and Vinny would have done for Persona 4, but we never really got that closure. Apart from the podcasts, the Endurance Runs are probably my favorite part of Giant Bomb, so I'd always like to hear more about that process.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
This brings back memories

Forrest Kaysen from Spy Fiction

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ah-ah-ah

you didn't say the magic word


man, i still remember being on metal gear fansites and laughing our asses off at the shameless ripoff that was spy fiction.

i'm sorry that was rude, spy fiction was totally origi-

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see, they have lightbulbs above their heads, not exclamation points
 
Wow, is it just me or does that girl in the tux look identical to Emily?

On another note, I just bought and watched some Twin Peaks having never seen it and man does Deadly Premonition mirror this show or what?

Coffee loving agent, stuffed dear heads, lumber mill ect.

I've only watched the pilot and the first episode but I really hope the wife abusing truker gets slowly cut to pieces with a chain saw. That guy is a dick!
 
Lotan said:
I've only watched the pilot and the first episode but I really hope the wife abusing truker gets slowly cut to pieces with a chain saw. That guy is a dick!
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Yeah, you can see from a mile away that he'll get into some trouble :D I started watching TP because of DP as well :)
 
I've been watching Twin Peaks too after the endurance run. Who's Dianne the FBI agent keeps talking to? is she like the Zach of Twin Peaks?
 
chogidogs said:
I've been watching Twin Peaks too after the endurance run. Who's Dianne the FBI agent keeps talking to? is she like the Zach of Twin Peaks?
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It seams like he is making these tapes and mailing them to her for record keeping, like the way he notes how much his lunch cost and where he is staying.
 
Is this thread going to turn into a Twin Peaks spoiler thread? I haven't seen it yet, but I'm thinking about it thanks to the ER.
 
chogidogs said:
I've been watching Twin Peaks too after the endurance run. Who's Dianne the FBI agent keeps talking to? is she like the Zach of Twin Peaks?
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no, that's just something to make him look more odd. I could see how that behavior could influence the formation of the zach/york thing in Deadly Premonition though.
 
are there any references to how badly spy fiction reviewed in DP? that would be pretty crazy. i remember someone saying there were lots of swery references in it.
 
I liked Season 1 better but Season 2 of the Endurance Run was no slouch. The double team take on the game was interesting, unique and very enlightening on how bad of a gamer Brad is, on camera at least.

You guys rock Giantbomb. Thank you for this incredible feature.
 
I enjoyed the endurance run, but I thing BR kind of missed the point, especially Brad. He read too much about the game outside of the shows. I really wish they would discover the map to unlimited 10mm on their own, walkie-talkie as well and do more sidequests. Also I got a feeling from one of the episodes (can't remember which one though) that Brad read somewhere about George and he tried to compensate by always questioning Ryan's theories in later ones, but that might just be me.
 
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