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Giant Bomb GoTY 2016- Agent 47, take out that Doom Marine

Zomba13

Zomba13

Member
patapuf said:
Eh, if i don't pay attention to a game, i'll be surprised by it.

There is some merit to the argument that a blizzard can't really be "surprisingly good". At least on the level of biggest surprise of the year.
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Overwatch was a surprise for me, not because "Blizzard made a good game!?!?!" but because from what I had seen about it before hand I thought "oh ok, it's like TF2 but more MOBAy (because of heroes)" and I kept getting it confused with Battleborn (similar cartoony art style, similar colourful cast of characters) so when I finally got to play the last beta they held I realised "oh... OH, this is basically Team Fortress 3!" and I love TF2. Plus it was surprising how every hero feels good, even when they might not all be useful all the time, playing them feels great and that was a surprise for me. I expected to find at least one hero that I hated and at worst I just think there are heroes that aren't good for the current point/map/team comp.

I get saying something like "It's a Blizzard game, it isn't surprising it's good" but I feel it can definitely be surprising that it is as good as it is for someone who doesn't play those types of games and for those that do. Like Blizzard making an FPS instead of some top down clicky game? The same kind of surprise when Hearthstone is super good.
 
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Strax

Member
Please Stop:

Badly communicating with your fanbase
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daveo42

Banned
Reading Brad's list, the GotY was set in stone months ago.

Incandenza said:
Brad: "There is nothing surprising about Overwatch"
Alex: "I was surprised by it."
Brad: "There is nothing surprising about Overwatch"
Vinny: "I was surprised by it."
Brad: "There is nothing surprising about Overwatch"
Jeff: "I was surprised by it."
Brad: "There is nothing surprising about Overwatch"
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LOL, just now getting into this sequence. Here I was thinking Jeff would be more on his side against Overwatch. It might just crack the top 3.
 
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Picklebucket_

Banned
I was never a huge fan of Alex in the past but man, he has simply had enough of this shit and is slinging hot death at everything that sucked about the industry this year. He's won me over. He's kind of dominating the discussion this year in a way that Austin tried and failed to do last year.
 
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patapuf

Member
Zomba13 said:
Overwatch was a surprise for me, not because "Blizzard made a good game!?!?!" but because from what I had seen about it before hand I thought "oh ok, it's like TF2 but more MOBAy (because of heroes)" and I kept getting it confused with Battleborn (similar cartoony art style, similar colourful cast of characters) so when I finally got to play the last beta they held I realised "oh... OH, this is basically Team Fortress 3!" and I love TF2. Plus it was surprising how every hero feels good, even when they might not all be useful all the time, playing them feels great and that was a surprise for me. I expected to find at least one hero that I hated and at worst I just think there are heroes that aren't good for the current point/map/team comp.

I get saying something like "It's a Blizzard game, it isn't surprising it's good" but I feel it can definitely be surprising that it is as good as it is for someone who doesn't play those types of games and for those that do. Like Blizzard making an FPS instead of some top down clicky game? The same kind of surprise when Hearthstone is super good.
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Right, in that sense, many people were surprised that they enjoyed an FPS this year, with overwatch.
 
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I speel my dreenk

Member
Chuck said:
Jeff defending 40gb day one patches is gross as fuck.
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That's not at all what he (nor Alex) was doing. They were presenting the realistic reasons as to why things are the way they are in order to underline the fact that simply blinking gigantic day-one patches out of existence would not solve the underlying problem, and would very probably surface new problems. They weren't giving the situation a thumbs up to pass GO and collect $200.
 
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Catvoca

Banned
Any dream of a game other than DOOM getting GOTY really is dead, huh? Practically every one of their personal top 10's has it on top.
 
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Glass Shark

Banned
Picklebucket_ said:
I was never a huge fan of Alex in the past but man, he has simply had enough of this shit and is slinging hot death at everything that sucked about the industry this year. He's won me over. He's kind of dominating the discussion this year in a way that Austin tried and failed to do last year.
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Listening to Alex on the Beastcast over the past year has really endeared me to him. Great duder.
 
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IcyRhythms

Member
Catvoca said:
Any dream of a game other than DOOM getting GOTY really is dead, huh? Practically every one of their personal top 10's has it on top.
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It was the GOAT for gameplay this year. Nothing else I played that released in 2016 played, looked, or performed as well. It's just good fun all around.
 
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DrArchon

Member
Finished the Please Stop section.

I get where Jeff is coming from, but as a consumer I don't care about the logistics. I just want to have the games I buy be ready to play on day 1, and if that means delaying them then so be it. He's right that that's probably not realistic to expect publishers to change up stuff and that if they were to get rid of day 1 patches they'd probably still release busted games just without fixes, but people would still release shitty PC ports even if they got that to be the "winner", so I don't see that as a valid reason to not have that win.

Good on the others for fighting against him and getting that to win it. Alex was 100% about some of the stuff just being dumb marketing stuff and others being actual problems with the stuff people buy.
 
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firehawk12

Subete no aware
You should be able to download day 0 patches from the store for free before you get the game. I don't get why no one has done that yet.
 
B

broncobuster

Banned
Zomba13 said:
Overwatch was a surprise for me, not because "Blizzard made a good game!?!?!" but because from what I had seen about it before hand I thought "oh ok, it's like TF2 but more MOBAy (because of heroes)" and I kept getting it confused with Battleborn (similar cartoony art style, similar colourful cast of characters) so when I finally got to play the last beta they held I realised "oh... OH, this is basically Team Fortress 3!" and I love TF2. Plus it was surprising how every hero feels good, even when they might not all be useful all the time, playing them feels great and that was a surprise for me. I expected to find at least one hero that I hated and at worst I just think there are heroes that aren't good for the current point/map/team comp.

I get saying something like "It's a Blizzard game, it isn't surprising it's good" but I feel it can definitely be surprising that it is as good as it is for someone who doesn't play those types of games and for those that do. Like Blizzard making an FPS instead of some top down clicky game? The same kind of surprise when Hearthstone is super good.
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Yeah. I wrote Overwatch off until the public beta. Basically, I downloaded it on PS4 to mess with, and really enjoyed it. So I reinstalled Battlenet to play the beta on PC. About 6 hours later, I decided to buy it. And now I have a frankly embarrassing amount of hours put into it. I've never been big into Blizzard's games beyond Diablo, and even there, I don't think they're the best at making loot games.
 
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FStop7

Banned
I tried Overwatch and it felt like babby's first video shooter.

I was surprised because I thought there would be a lot of depth considering the number of heroes. But... not really.
 
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daveo42

Banned
Not even close to being done with biggest surprise, but this dialogue seems to be shaping up towards:

DOOM
Overwatch - I guess this was cut early? Must have missed that
Hitman

KingKong said:
Overwatch is not on his list at all and is lower than Hitman on Vinnys

1. Doom
2. Hitman
3. Inside
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Titanfall 2 is more likely at a #3 than Inside.
 
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LiK

Member
Doom is amazing FPS for SP but no one cares about the MP so comparing it directly to OW is strange to me.

FStop7 said:
I tried Overwatch and it felt like babby's first video shooter.

I was surprised because I thought there would be a lot of depth considering the number of heroes. But... not really.
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there is a lot of depth at higher level play. matches can swing wildly depending on team comp and skill. if you only tried it then you played with other noobs at low levels.
 
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Bowlie

Banned
00:00:33 - Podcast starts
00:01:22 - The categories are announced: Best Remaster, Best Fake Computer, PLEASE STOP, Best Surprise

00:02:05 - Best Remaster.
  • 00:05:06 - Dead Rising 4 Triple Pack
  • 00:05:48 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition
  • 00:07:00 - Marvel: Ultimate Alliance Bundle
  • 00:07:27 - Assassin’s Creed The Ezio Collection
  • 00:07:56 - Batman: Return to Arkham
  • 00:09:35 - BioShock: The Collection
  • 00:10:51 - God Eater Resurrection
  • 00:11:18 - The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD
  • 00:13:05 - Day of the Tentacle Remastered
  • 00:14:59 - Odin Sphere Leifthrasir
  • 00:15:18 - Gravity Rush Remastered
  • 00:16:01 - Final discussion

00:20:07 - Best Fake Computer.
  • 00:21:19 - The Turing Test, SUPERHOT
  • 00:24:06 - Pony Island
  • 00:24:48 - Duskers
  • 00:25:20 - Event[0] (spoilers)
  • 00:28:25 - Quadrilateral Cowboy
  • 00:29:39 - Final discussion

00:37:25 - First break

00:37:40 - PLEASE STOP.

  • 00:39:43 - Sonic the Hedgehog’s personal Twitter account
  • 00:43:50 - Playing Clash Royale
  • 00:47:19 - Exploitative blind boxes
  • 00:52:38 - Announcing your games for Q4 and pushing them into Q1
  • 00:53:53 - The return of bad PC ports
  • 00:55:38 - Badly communicating with your fanbase
  • 00:59:40 - Requiring an e-mail address to use GeForce Experience
  • 01:02:22 - Shipping unfinished games on disc
  • 01:15:29 - Farting out Early Access VR shooting galleries, complaining about VR when you ain’t even tried that shit
  • 01:20:43 - Publishers not providing early review copies
  • 01:31:32 - Solemn pop song covers adding shitty, fake gravitas to video game trailers
  • 01:37:03 - Final discussion

01:55:06 - Second break

01:55:29 - Best Surprise.
  • 01:56:34 - Firewatch
  • 01:57:05 - Overwatch?
  • 02:00:01 - The Last Guardian
  • 02:01:15 - Hitman
  • 02:04:10 - Oxenfree
  • 02:04:45 - Virginia
  • 02:05:35 - Pocked Card Jockey
  • 02:05:47 - Let It Die
  • 02:06:46 - Enter the Gungeon
  • 02:08:02 - Shadow Warrior 2
  • 02:10:25 - SUPERHOT
  • 02:12:04 - DOOM
  • 02:18:33 - American Truck Simulator
  • 02:19:31 - Dragon Quest Builders
  • 02:20:16 - Devil Daggers
  • 02:20:48 - Overcooked!
  • 02:23:58 - Event[0]
  • 02:24:57 - King’s Quest
  • 02:29:11 - Watch Dogs 2
  • 02:33:21 - Thumper
  • 02:35:46 - Stardew Valley
  • 02:40:01 - Final discussion

02:47:07 - The third day is done!
 
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nynt9

Member
FStop7 said:
I tried Overwatch and it felt like babby's first video shooter.

I was surprised because I thought there would be a lot of depth considering the number of heroes. But... not really.
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I mean, if you came away with that conclusion, the issue is clearly you and not the game...
 
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BreezyLimbo

Banned
Bowlie said:
00:00:33 - Podcast starts
00:01:22 - The categories are announced: Best Remaster, Best Fake Computer, PLEASE STOP, Best Surprise

00:02:05 - Best Remaster.
  • 00:05:06 - Dead Rising 4 Triple Pack
  • 00:05:48 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition
  • 00:07:00 - Marvel: Ultimate Alliance Bundle
  • 00:07:27 - Assassin’s Creed The Ezio Collection
  • 00:07:56 - Batman: Return to Arkham
  • 00:09:35 - BioShock: The Collection
  • 00:10:51 - God Eater Resurrection
  • 00:11:18 - The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD
  • 00:13:05 - Day of the Tentacle Remastered
  • 00:14:59 - Odin Sphere Leifthrasir
  • 00:15:18 - Gravity Rush Remastered
  • 00:16:01 - Final discussion

00:20:07 - Best Fake Computer.
  • 00:21:19 - The Turing Test, SUPERHOT
  • 00:24:06 - Pony Island
  • 00:24:48 - Duskers
  • 00:25:20 - Event[0] (spoilers)
  • 00:28:25 - Quadrilateral Cowboy
  • 00:29:39 - Final discussion

00:37:25 - First break

00:37:40 - PLEASE STOP.

  • 00:39:43 - Sonic the Hedgehog’s personal Twitter account
  • 00:43:50 - Playing Clash Royale
  • 00:47:19 - Exploitative blind boxes
  • 00:52:38 - Announcing your games for Q4 and pushing them into Q1
  • 00:53:53 - The return of bad PC ports
  • 00:55:38 - Badly communicating with your fanbase
  • 00:59:40 - Requiring an e-mail address to use GeForce Experience
  • 01:02:22 - Shipping unfinished games on disc
  • 01:15:29 - Farting out Early Access VR shooting galleries, complaining about VR when you ain’t even tried that shit
  • 01:20:43 - Publishers not providing early review copies
  • 01:31:32 - Solemn pop song covers adding shitty, fake gravitas to video game trailers
  • 01:37:03 - Final discussion

01:55:06 - Second break

01:55:29 - Best Surprise.
  • 01:56:34 - Firewatch
  • 01:57:05 - Overwatch?
  • 02:00:01 - The Last Guardian
  • 02:01:15 - Hitman
  • 02:04:10 - Oxenfree
  • 02:04:45 - Virginia
  • 02:05:35 - Pocked Card Jockey
  • 02:05:47 - Let It Die
  • 02:06:46 - Enter the Gungeon
  • 02:08:02 - Shadow Warrior 2
  • 02:10:25 - SUPERHOT
  • 02:12:04 - DOOM
  • 02:18:33 - American Truck Simulator
  • 02:19:31 - Dragon Quest Builders
  • 02:20:16 - Devil Daggers
  • 02:20:48 - Overcooked!
  • 02:23:58 - Event[0]
  • 02:24:57 - King’s Quest
  • 02:29:11 - Watch Dogs 2
  • 02:33:21 - Thumper
  • 02:35:46 - Stardew Valley
  • 02:40:01 - Final discussion

02:47:07 - The third day is done!
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Thanks Bowlie.

nynt9 said:
I mean, if you came away with that conclusion, the issue is clearly you and not the game...
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Yeah. Overwatch is deceptively deeper than you're giving credit to it by calling it 'babby's first shotoer'. Not only is it not, but it shows that you didn't play enough of it and probably based it off by it's looks.
 
D

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Hitman feels like babby's first stealth game

it just shows you everything you can do. you'd think it would have more depth but ... not really

doesn't feel good odes it?
 
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Curufinwe

Member
I got a good laugh out of the bit where they talked about how sometimes people don't like the idea of something, in this case VR, so they go out of their way to find fault with it.

Other people, of course. No one at Giant Bomb but Old Dan would ever do that.
 
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LiK

Member
Curufinwe said:
I got a good laugh out of the bit where they talked about how sometimes people don't like the idea of something, in this case VR, so they go out of their way to find fault with it.

Other people, of course. No one at Giant Bomb but Old Dan would ever do that.
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I loved Dan's reaction to Jeff calling him out about it. He was so startled, lol
 
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justjim89

Member
I feel like Best Surprise is a good indicator for how Doom vs. Hitman will go during the Top 10.
Everyone kinda unanimously agrees Doom got the win, and only a few arguments for Hitman above it. You can hear shreds of Jeff's future arguments against Doom by bringing up the shit multiplayer and snapmap, and Brad basically shrugging it off illustrates how he'll combat that.

Doom will win, and Hitman should be #2, but I could see it being #3 or 4 behind Overwatch and/or The Witness, which I would find infuriating personally.
 
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Metal-Geo

Member
Given the amount of videos HITMAN has (and the sheer hilarity in each of 'em) you'd think it'd be their number one. But heck, both DOOM and HITMAN were superb games we got this year. Glad to see the both of them get this much love.
 
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Brakke

Banned
Brad's hateboner for Clash Royale is p embarrassing at this point. That game is great. Emotes were annoying sometimes but strictly less toxic than literally any competitive game with communication. And now you can mute them so???
 
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