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Giant Bomb GoTY 2016- Agent 47, take out that Doom Marine
- Thread starter BreezyLimbo
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BreezyLimbo
Banned
Which makes it funnier that
Overwatch snagged 3 over Titanfall despite Overwatch being multiplayer only and Titanfall being a "more complete package"
I think if Doom had shipped without multiplayer at all, Jeff would have liked it more. It's kind of like the backlash there was to Tomb Raider 2013 for even having the gall to include multiplayer, even though the single player was so good.
Overwatch was smart to not have a crappy single player mode
Overwatch is a full package because it doesn't pretend to be anything other than a multiplayer game. To try to fault the game on what it isn't rather than what it is, is simply unfair and nonsensical. Nobody is out there complaining that Skyrim didn't have multiplayer, or that Dota doesn't have singleplayer.
I believe Vinny said it first and everyone agreed to it really fast lol.
Placing aside, that seriously has to be one of the best top 10's in years. All are really brilliant games.
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Hitman really deserved it though. No other game is doing what its doing this year and the success they've made of the episodic format really has to be applauded. It just perfects that feeling of getting away with something so well, even other stealth games struggle to get it.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Oh GTA IV won GOTY? Guess Shadow of Morder isn't the worst game to win GB GOTY
how the shit can jeff like GTA IV but not RDR
how the shit can jeff like GTA IV but not RDR
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Mushroomer25
Member
I'm so pleased with this result.
DOOM is solid, but to me it never rose above the level of something like SuperHot - an excellent mechanic stretched out into a game, coated with artistic Polish.
Hitman is revelatory. The release structure was outstanding, the stealth so tight, the levels so sprawling and dense. Every mission feels infinitely repayable, in a way that has actively raised the bar for this genre. Playing Dishonored 2's single scripted path of every target felt constraining in comparison.
All that said, Jeff & Dan very nearly blew it. The insistence on focusing on multiplayer was a weak argument (games with shite side modes have won GB GOTY multiple times), and they were too confident to let Hitman speak for itself. Drew was the game's true savior, bringing up the open ended structure and leading to discussion of the game's personality. That swayed Vinny, and with it the room. Overall, a master play that easily makes him GB GOTY VIP 2016 (a redemption, after having failed to stand up for Wolfenstein & A Link Between Worlds in 2014 and 2013).
Hitman is revelatory. The release structure was outstanding, the stealth so tight, the levels so sprawling and dense. Every mission feels infinitely repayable, in a way that has actively raised the bar for this genre. Playing Dishonored 2's single scripted path of every target felt constraining in comparison.
All that said, Jeff & Dan very nearly blew it. The insistence on focusing on multiplayer was a weak argument (games with shite side modes have won GB GOTY multiple times), and they were too confident to let Hitman speak for itself. Drew was the game's true savior, bringing up the open ended structure and leading to discussion of the game's personality. That swayed Vinny, and with it the room. Overall, a master play that easily makes him GB GOTY VIP 2016 (a redemption, after having failed to stand up for Wolfenstein & A Link Between Worlds in 2014 and 2013).
If I recall correctly, the podcast for that year has a fun moment where Brad and Jeff consider going in hard for Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts instead of GTA4 or MGS4.
Seems weird to me. The game was well liked by most of the staff and no one even finished Hyper Light?
GTA IV made him cry.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I havent listened to it but Im glad
Drew is the real mvp here. My prediction of Jeff turning against Brad also came true.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
Surely Jason finished it, right? He was championing it like it was his baby!
I'm positive at some point during these deliberations he said he hadn't finished it.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
I'll have to relisten. That should always disqualify a game, or at least hugely hamper it being included on the list.
It wasn't today's but it was sometime during these podcasts.
Etrian Oddity
Member
Jeff has very, very, very bad opinions on 90% of video games.
I swear I listened to an episode where he said Wind Waker had better dungeons than Twilight Princess (which he irrationally hates on every single ground).
I wanted to echo this. I was worried because I love starting with the giant list and cutting one at a time, but this was a great compromise to just start with games they felt passionate about from the get-go. It really got them into the meat of the discussion quickly rather than spending a half hour saying things like "Rocksmith is cool, but it's not going to hang..."
2008: Jeff was right.
2009: Brad was right.
2010: Brad was right. But just marginally.
2011: Jeff was right.
2012: Everyone was right.
2013: Jeff was wrong, everyone else was right.
2014: Everyone was wrong, ugh.
2015: Jeff was right.
2016:
Jeff is right.
BlastProcessing
Member
The debate is whether high points count for something or do we just look at games and take the average. I think taking the average is a really boring and mechanical way to look at a game.
BlastProcessing
Member
I know you were pulling for a VR game to win. Oh well, can't win them all.
Rise of the Tomb Raider it is!
nckillthegrimace
Member
best new character is winter clothes mayuri
Smokey_Run
Member
GOTY talk:
Jeff arguing for Hitman and Brad arguing for Doom is strange given the context for the entire year.
I always like how even when there are more people siding with the game opposite Brad, he acts like it can't win unless he's convinced, like his vote is worth more than everyone else. One of the only things that annoys me about him. The other being that he even used the excuse to consider games as a "complete package" in another category iirc, but then disregarded it here in order to try and let Doom win.
Nah, it was Dan who suggested it!
Dan suggested removing Inside, Vinny brought up Uncharted while somebody else was talking a few times though.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Doom's campaign is good but not "best fps in 20 years" good.
LurkerPrime
Member
So... instead of spirit animals, we all have a spirit Overwatch character, right? That's the impression I've been getting for a while now, and Alex's list is just reconfirming it in my mind.
And speaking of Alex's list...
I'm jealous of his wordsmithery skills.
And speaking of Alex's list...
it is a good one.
I'm jealous of his wordsmithery skills.
throwawayname
Member
I'm spreading the word that the boys are back in town, guys.
Now do I watch the 4 hour video of Gears or not....?
Now do I watch the 4 hour video of Gears or not....?
I just listened through that part. Vinny brought it up because UC4 is a safe choice rather than something to be passionate about. Dan wanted to get Inside out, but didn't have an argument for it and he actually loves it.
It's a good call and made for a list that more represents the staff.
Glass Shark
Banned
Bopping in here real quick to post the true final math-based (a.k.a. completely worthless) GOTY top 10 list:
Still listening to Day 5 so I don't know how close or far away this is from the actual list. But it's final now that Alex has posted his top games.
1. Doom
2. Hitman
3. Overwatch
4. Superhot
5. Inside
6. Picross 3D: Round 2
7. Titanfall 2
8. The Witness
9. Overcooked!
10. Rez Infinite
2. Hitman
3. Overwatch
4. Superhot
5. Inside
6. Picross 3D: Round 2
7. Titanfall 2
8. The Witness
9. Overcooked!
10. Rez Infinite
Still listening to Day 5 so I don't know how close or far away this is from the actual list. But it's final now that Alex has posted his top games.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Well Quake was '96. So he's not wrong.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Is that you Brad?
Yeah I have no idea why he said that.
I know they wrote these after the podcasts but changing your mind that much in a few weeks is odd. It seems like if Doom came out later in the year it would have won GOTY and higher placement on the lists.