I loved how nonchalant the XCOM soldier was about the process. "Welp, guess I got some metal limbs now" followed by Shen telling you that you actually need to build a combat suit now, he just wanted to amputate somebody for funsies.
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I loved how nonchalant the XCOM soldier was about the process. "Welp, guess I got some metal limbs now" followed by Shen telling you that you actually need to build a combat suit now, he just wanted to amputate somebody for funsies.
shortsFortallPeople
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Should Jeffs walk?
If Jeff gets his way, this'll be the first dance song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8WaDbQVbb0
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My personal irk is any instance where spoiler-ey shit is put behind tags with nary a pissing clue as to what is contained within. Please, I implore thee, clue me the fuck in on as to what you did done type in there, please. Spoiler tags devolve into some shitty niche feature if their purpose is simply to distinguish between the "LOL I don't give a fuck" types and every other person on the planet.
Salty Catfish
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Man, XCOM 2 is so good. It's kind of a bummer that so many people (at least going by Steam) are getting caught up on the time limit thing. I'm glad Firaxis pushed things in a new and more aggressive direction since it's both a great subversion of what worked in the first game, plus more fitting to the XCOM-as-outmanned/outgunned insurgents narrative.
Glitchesarecool
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But I totally get it because if someone isn't used to taking risks or is more familiar with the XCOM style of play, to them it seems like they're being punished for wanting to be careful in a game that isn't too subtle about "hey we're limited on resources here." You're not allowed to play in this way that you're familiar with or prefer.
Personally I kinda hate the time limit missions even in EUEW where the timers counted down at the start of the mission without the conceal mechanic. It actually has been something keeping me away from the game considering how many missions seem to have a time mechanic.
I'm also just slightly salty at the idea that EUEW didn't happen.
I'm still early in the game and currently ruminating on my feelings about its design choices (early game at least), but I'm really liking it so far.
I think tactics/strategy games can genuinely benefit from mechanics which force the player to take a step outside of their comfort zone. It's something of a counter to the potential problem of turn-based games where they can, by the very nature of their non-real-time-iness, exist as a very laid-back, ruminatory experience, such that these calm water considerations fly in the face of a strong theme that the turn-based game is trying to replicate.
Almost bought a 3DS for it. Almost.
wild_fire987
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Anybody heard rumors of timeline when controller support will come to XCOM2? I know it supports the Steam Controller, but I don't care for that thing. I really want to play the game, but I'm hunched over a keyboard 8 hours a day at work and don't feel like doing it at home when I relax.
TheMrPliskin
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The only thing that I think sucks about the time limit is that it counts down when you're in the undetected state.
Death Metalist
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Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I played 3 hours of Xcom 2 and now I can't play it for a week and I hate everything.
I want it. I need it.
I want it. I need it.
The Dear Leader
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I don't think it will any time soon, the Steam controller support seems like it was their answer to the people whining about no controller support. If a console version ever happens, I could see the controller support making it's way into the PC version.
The Dear Leader
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That's the thing though, it does have controller support, Steam controller support.
Wouldn't that have happened regardless if they did it themselves or not? People build steam controller profiles for everything. Not really the same to me.
Salty Catfish
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That's why I think it's great, though -- it's completely inverting how you think you should play XCOM. It's a response to how pretty much everyone played the first game. While just more of the same would have been fun, it's even better that they turned the XCOM formula on its head. It's made me nervous and uneasy and unsettled after feeling like I had a comfortable handle on the first game...which is just what an XCOM should do.
Yeah, if I could change anything about it, that would be it. No reason for the timer to be ticking when the aliens are just chilling.
Glitchesarecool
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I'm sure they'll make adjustments down the road like they did with the Second Wave stuff.
Hey speaking of some weird mechanics, did they patch out the Overwatch trapping that was in the beta? I saw reports that you could set your guys on overwatch while concealed, use one dude to pop an enemy in the head, and then all your guys in Overwatch would start shooting as the enemy unit scrambled.
Salty Catfish
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That's in as a feature -- it's essentially your squad ambushing an enemy one all at once and a way to prevent the enemy from just running to cover after a single shot (though once you open fire, you can't do it again on that level since concealment is permanently lost). It's sooooo satisfying.
Glitchesarecool
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Oh awesome. For some reason I'd seen people talking about it like it had been patched out because it was too OP, but that's exactly what I would want to do with a group of hidden guerrilla fighters. Still wish there was a way to regain concealment tho.
Agreed.
I like a bunch of the changes they've made, but you should regain concealment if there's no other enemy active/in line of site.
I'm sure they tried it but found the gameplay loop was much more confined as a result.
I think there is a specific new AI behaviour that's been implemenmted since the preview copies went out.
Used to be that you could set up a bunch of peeps in juicy positions and just have one unit right in the middle of an enemy pod's path. They would move, encounter, scramble for cover, get ripped by overwatch, then you'd get a full turn to clean up.
As a quick-fix, now the behaviour for 'docile' patrolling pods is to either scramble for cover or to just stand where they are and blast the shit out of your bait unit.
If I understand it correctly, it essentially removes an unintended exploitation of the patrol mechanic.
Glitchesarecool
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Well from the early story beats
since the soldiers are psyonically linked, it makes sense.
Argh. Ya'll are really tempting me to get XCOM 2.
TheMrPliskin
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It's one of my two main issues with the game at the moment, the other being that enemies get a free move when you encounter them.
The Dear Leader
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That's true, but they made a official configuration for the game, so it's actually developer made and tested.
Salty Catfish
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Hm, that's interesting -- I haven't tried setting up an ambush with physically moving someone into their detection range, only by shooting/grenades. When your ambush setup works, it's amazing (they even give you an achievement for it).
Re: maintaining concealment, as fun as that would be, it would be fairly easy to completely break the game by abusing the ambush mechanic with the right squad setup.
stump sock
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yeah I don't like that one. you get everybody in place for an ambush and suddenly it doesn't matter because everybody except the one guy you popped ran for cover.
Personally I love the changes they made to the game, it keeps things so much more dynamic. it was way too easy to abuse the AI in EU by moving at a glacial pace and overwatching everything. now it's all about constantly moving to get flanking shots and being forced to move from your safe zones to get to the objective.
it's maybe too early to call it, but I'm almost certain this thing kicks the crap out of EU on so many levels
The specific 'exploit' as I understand it, wasn't moving *into* their line of sight with overwatch set up, but having overwatch set up and placing a unit in a spot such that the enemy walk on to them during the alien movement phase. This specifically is what allowed the overwatch shower (from their scatter reaction) plus an immediate full player turn.
edit: 'ambushes' are a concealment thing, and super, super powerful. you get one of them, mission allowing and assuming you don't get unlucky and stumble into a trigger square.
Glitchesarecool
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I think to knock it out of the park for me, just from what I've seen, would be a diverse cast of classes and subclasses. Right now, at least what was shown off from the devs, were 6 classes with two skill options on each level, like base EU. The Psi stuff from EU did fine to make them feel a little more interesting, but the amount of group diversity you got in EW was so good feeling between the Psi, Mech, and Gene units.
There could be something later on that changes it up though.
Removing the timer at the start of the mission counteracts the entire point of the timer in the first place. They didn't like the overly cautious approach being objectively the right choice before you encounter your first alien. The timer exists specifically to make you move faster in early turns.
Salty Catfish
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Oh wow, yeah, I can see how that's easily abused. I'm pretty sure one dude did just straight-up shoot at me after patrolling into one of my soldiers so they I think they fixed it.
Yeah, I can agree with that. I'm just being greedy since setting up that first perfect ambush is such a highlight.
Yep, the meat of combat is balanced with regards to cover and puzzling your way, occasionally literally, around it. It feels somewhat essential that it be the default situation from which you then apply tactics, initial endorphin-poppin' ambush powerplay notwithstanding.
TheMrPliskin
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So far I'd agree with you. I went into it expecting it to just be more XCOM but it's really gone beyond that and I'm enjoying it way more EU because of all the extra stuff they've done.
funkystudent
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Back home, cup of tea and watching the old Euro Truck 2 QL.
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Sounds like a good evening.
Twin Tails
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starting fires is fun
Just finished Rise of the Tomb Raider, I'm surprised Jeff liked it so much. It's basically the same design of the first game just with some bigger "hub" areas. Also a bunch of crafting. I played the 2013 game just a few weeks ago too so maybe that is the reason I feel like this.
N
Noray
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Yeah I thought the same thing, don't really see why you'd dislike the first one but like Rise, it's almost identical design-wise. I liked TR2013 better, but Rise is good.
broncobuster
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I'm playing Yakuza 5, as you do, and discover Sherlock Bones browsing manga in a store.
Why isn't this anime yet?
Why isn't this anime yet?
I have played XOM 2 a few hours now with the Steam Controller and I am loving it. The official profile works great out of the box so I am not missing support for other controllers.
I played TR 2013 in the past weeks and really liked it. Now I'm waiting with ROTR until I have a better monitor and/or graphics card.
From your experience that sounds good, to have some distance between the two.
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