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Inanna

Not pure anymore!
The Frankman said:
I'm not puttng weight on either except that they're both dumb and threads like that have been shut down quick.
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dream said:
Sure, but you know those threads only pop up on rare occasions and are quickly shut down. Let's not act like they're allowed to stay open and foster as everyone tries to one up each other to see who can be the most misogynistic.
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They get locked and people get banned only after people posting IN the thread and showing displeasure. If people wouldn't post in such topics it would get ignored by the mods.

I don't get why men are offended that we're discussing how much we dislike dumb topics like the "Women are so retarded harr harr" one in here with other girls?

H.Protagonist said:
I don't think they're representative (I certainly hope not), but I'm still confused as to why you guys aren't going after them for saying such things. You seem to spend more energy going after Dev for posting her opinion in them. You said before that she came to this thread to bitch about them and that they were ruining her forum experience, but this is a thread for girls to talk about issues such as misogyny and frustration, and I completely feel her frustration with the frequency of these kinds of things.

We get worked up because it's something we face nearly everyday, and it's exhausting to both fight it and see our opinions dismissed as the whining/bitchings of militant lesbians. I know it's hard for guys(or people in general) to care about things that don't affect them, but I hope at least if there were some assholery threads about African Americans/racism that you would care enough to say something.
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H.Protagonist said:
I don't think it was that thread by itself per se. There have been a lot of these lately, and it seems natural to me that she should be able to come back to a thread specifically for girls to vent about that.
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CleverGirl said:
Why are all these guys in Girl Gaf, let me say that again, Girl Gaf, telling Girls how to feel? A thread set up for girls to talk about what they want, and if that includes venting about whatever upsets her so be it.
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Couldn't have said it better! I don't get why some men can't get that through their heads.
 
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Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
Duki came up in here to start some garbage and it looks like he definitely got some garbage. See ya next month, breh!
 
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charsace

Member
On to something else people. I'm only in this thread because someone brought the current(or should I say previous) topic to my attention.

While reading the last few pages I noticed something. Why are there so many dudes posting in a women specific thread? Really, I'd like to hear why. What's up with the sausage festival in here? Are some of you this desperate for female attention?
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Sixfortyfive

He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
charsace said:
While reading the last few pages I noticed something. Why are there so many dudes posting in a women specific thread? Really, I'd like to hear why. What's up with the sausage festival in here? Are some of you this desperate for female attention?
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Is it so bad that I find some entertainment in watching people like Devo pick off low-hanging fruit? It's sort of a fun little guessing game that I've made for myself that I undertake prior to clicking gender-oriented troll threads: how many pages before it happens and how many targets get squashed? I lurk in here for similar reasons from time to time. I imagine there are others who do the same.
 
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ZedIndyLil

Member
Are there any moms on GAF? Occasionally we get threads/discussions from dads, and it's usually interesting to see the GAF perspective on fatherhood. Just wondering if there are any moms to share their stories.
 
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Femmeworth

Banned
DBebm5 said:
Are there any moms on GAF? Occasionally we get threads/discussions from dads, and it's usually interesting to see the GAF perspective on fatherhood. Just wondering if there are any moms to share their stories.
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Well, there's Luna(something, I forgot her full username), but she doesn't post that often lately.
 
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H.Protagonist

[-_-]/
ClovingSteam said:
Perhaps people in this thread are too sensitive? Perhaps Duki calls them out for exactly that?
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Or perhaps Duki is just incredibly ignorant as to why such things might possibly offend us? As many have said, this is a thread for girls to discuss things and vent their frustrations. Devo had a perfectly legitimate reason to be upset at the numbers of idiotic (to women, if not yourself) threads popping up, and this is very much the thread for her to be posting those frustrations in.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

Banned
Sharp said:
So the posting standards we've created are not, primarily, about morality,but making sure that as many demographics as possible feel comfortable here, ultimately increasing growth and GAF's advertising revenue? That's fine, but I feel like this is a point that needs to be made more clear. You should (and probably do) also know that for a long time GAF's moderation was laxer in some respects, and that a lot of older members may need a fuller understanding of what is and is not allowable. While to you, what constitutes bigotry may be obvious, I imagine you will concede it is possible that for some people it is not.
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This is exactly one of the problems. Now, I have not been here nearly as long as many others, but with that being said I have noticed a strong uptake in moderation in the last year or so. What was acceptable or at least allowed before now isn't. One thing that bothers me and others is the lack of consistency on the part of moderation.

One individual can make a remark that doesn't lead to a ban while the exact same remark can and many time does lead to a ban when being said by a different poster. I have been called out by a member in a different thread and when I decided to respond to said member with a 'why you mad?' response (it wasn't the troll/banned you mad, it was a why are you mad response) I was banned while the other person wasn't.

Count Dookkake said:
Sorry for the intrusion, ladies.



Perhaps you are too sensitive.

Break the rules, get a ban.

Cry more.
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How am I being too sensitive by making the comment that I did?
 
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Ashes

Banned
ClovingSteam said:
This is exactly one of the problems. Now, I have not been here nearly as long as many others, but with that being said I have noticed a strong uptake in moderation in the last year or so. What was acceptable or at least allowed before now isn't. One thing that bothers me and others is the lack of consistency on the part of moderation.

One individual can make a remark that doesn't lead to a ban while the exact same remark can and many time does lead to a ban when being said by a different poster. I have been called out by a member in a different thread and when I decided to respond to said member with a 'why you mad?' response (it wasn't the troll/banned you mad, it was a why are you mad response) I was banned while the other person wasn't.



How am I being too sensitive by making the comment that I did?
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This post is so completely irrelevant to what is at the heart of the matter.
 
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Opiate

Member
Who is "duki?" I assume that is shorthand for a poster's name. But whom?

Edit: I see now. He made two posts total and I didn't notice them.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

Banned
Ashes1396 said:
you don't? then why are you defending him? lol!

I'm so confused. Is he a friend? significant other?
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If you're going to troll at least put some effort into it. If you're unable or simply refusing to see the connection between Sharps post, Duki's issue that he raised, and my point, then there is nothing left to be said.
 
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Ashes

Banned
ClovingSteam said:
Regardless of what one thinks about Duki, the point that he made and Sharp as well is relevant to this forum.
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ClovingSteam said:
If you're going to troll at least put some effort into it. If you're unable or simply refusing to see the connection between Sharps post, Duki's issue that he raised, and my point, then there is nothing left to be said.
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Oh this is a political uprising? Right on! What's your agenda? what's the end goal? what do you want us to wake up and realise?
 
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H.Protagonist

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ClovingSteam said:
lol what?

Regardless of what one thinks about Duki, the point that he made and Sharp as well is relevant to this forum.
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I have to disagree with you about Duki's post. It is perhaps relevant to what happened yesterday, but I don't believe it to be a correct assessment of the situation. (as addressed in my earlier post)

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H.Protagonist said:
Or perhaps Duki is just incredibly ignorant as to why such things might possibly offend us? As many have said, this is a thread for girls to discuss things and vent their frustrations. Devo had a perfectly legitimate reason to be upset at the numbers of idiotic (to women, if not yourself) threads popping up, and this is very much the thread for her to be posting those frustrations in.
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Opiate

Member
ClovingSteam said:
This is exactly one of the problems. Now, I have not been here nearly as long as many others, but with that being said I have noticed a strong uptake in moderation in the last year or so. What was acceptable or at least allowed before now isn't. One thing that bothers me and others is the lack of consistency on the part of moderation.

One individual can make a remark that doesn't lead to a ban while the exact same remark can and many time does lead to a ban when being said by a different poster. I have been called out by a member in a different thread and when I decided to respond to said member with a 'why you mad?' response (it wasn't the troll/banned you mad, it was a why are you mad response) I was banned while the other person wasn't.
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This is always a concern, and something we try to mediate. However, keep in mind that moderators are not omniscient. We do not see every single post in every single thread every single day. Sometimes, bannable offenses get past us. If you see one, it is perfectly fine to contact me or another moderator to point it out -- it helps make this forum a better place.

But this shouldn't excuse bannable offenses. If you do something inappropriate, claiming someone else did something inappropriate and got away with it does not make your post any more appropriate.

Lastly, context matters. If someone said, "Because America is evil and wants to destroy the world," that post may be bannable in some contexts (if it appears to be a serious statement) while in others, it may not (if context makes it clear that it is being said sarcastically). The easiest way to avoid contextual problems, however, is simply to not take the chance and avoid hyperbolic statements entirely.
 
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SephCast

Brotherhood of Shipley's
Opiate said:
The easiest way to avoid contextual problems, however, is simply to not take the chance and avoid hyperbolic statements entirely.
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My issue with this is the fact that hyperbole for some may be completely serious for others. It's just a huge grey area that gets covered by different mods in different ways.
 
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charsace

Member
Pilgor said:
Because both men and women enjoy tuna sandwiches.
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Sixfortyfive said:
Is it so bad that I find some entertainment in watching people like Devo pick off low-hanging fruit? It's sort of a fun little guessing game that I've made for myself that I undertake prior to clicking gender-oriented troll threads: how many pages before it happens and how many targets get squashed? I lurk in here for similar reasons from time to time. I imagine there are others who do the same.
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So you guys are just nuthuggers of certain female posters? This is the conclusion I've arrived at. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

Banned
Opiate said:
This is always a concern, and something we try to mediate. However, keep in mind that moderators are not omniscient. We do not see every single post in every single thread every single day. Sometimes, bannable offenses get past us. If you see one, it is perfectly fine to contact me or another moderator to point it out -- it helps make this forum a better place.

But this shouldn't excuse bannable offenses. If you do something inappropriate, claiming someone else did something inappropriate and got away with it does not make your post any more appropriate.

Lastly, context matters. If someone said, "Because America is evil and wants to destroy the world," that post may be bannable in some contexts (if it appears to be a serious statement) while in others, it may not (if context makes it clear that it is being said sarcastically). The easiest way to avoid contextual problems, however, is simply to not take the chance and avoid hyperbolic statements entirely.
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Opiate, I am not expecting or asking for moderators to be omniscient, I am asking them to be consistent. If my post leads to a ban then surely the moderator who banned me saw what I was responding to and if he saw the post I was responding to which is against the TOS of this forum and doesn't ban said person for breaking said TOS, then that is inconsistency at its core.

In this very thread I am being trolled. Being asked (I assume sarcastically at that) if I am supporting Duki because he is my SO (really?) and that is apparently acceptable. I don't mind that the post in question was being made since I have thick skin and can take a joke. My beef is again the lack of consistency. If someone is able to get around the TOS by stating 'I was just playing' or 'I am seriously asking honestly', then such an excuse should be taken into consideration for all bans.

Whether duki deserved the ban is not for me to decide (though I retain the right to my opinion) but Sharps post is relevant and brings up a significant and valuable point. The TOS isn't followed to a T because many people are not banned for breaking said TOS' while others are banned for lesser or similar 'crimes'. It creates extreme frustration.
 
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Opiate

Member
SephCast said:
My issue with this is the fact that hyperbole for some may be completely serious for others. It's just a huge grey area that gets covered by different mods in different ways.
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This is why it's so important that our moderation staff be reasonable, logical, and level headed. There is no way to completely avoid these sorts of problems, but logical and objective moderators certainly mitigate the issue considerably.

Just out of curiosity, how do you know how different moderators handle situations? Because there isn't any way to know which moderator banned you. If you're simply assuming you know, you probably don't. For example, I did not ban Duki, and didn't even know he ever existed until he didn't anymore.
 
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Opiate

Member
ClovingSteam said:
Opiate, I am not expecting or asking for moderators to be omniscient, I am asking them to be consistent.
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What I am saying is that consistency isn't possible if we don't see all posts, and that contexts change.

To provide an extreme example, posting "you mad?" gifs in a "post gifs" thread is completely acceptable, as that's the entire purpose of that thread; however, posting "You mad?" in response to a reasonable poster in a random thread obviously wouldn't be acceptable. I don't know the specifics of your case, by the way -- and I wouldn't discuss them even if I did -- I'm only providing an example of how two people posting the exact same thing can produce different results.
 
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Ashes

Banned
ClovingSteam said:
Opiate, I am not expecting or asking for moderators to be omniscient, I am asking them to be consistent. If my post leads to a ban then surely the moderator who banned me saw what I was responding to and if he saw the post I was responding to which is against the TOS of this forum and doesn't ban said person for breaking said TOS, then that is inconsistency at its core.

In this very thread I am being trolled. Being asked (I assume sarcastically at that) if I am supporting Duki because he is my SO (really?) and that is apparently acceptable. I don't mind that the post in question was being made since I have thick skin and can take a joke. My beef is again the lack of consistency. If someone is able to get around the TOS by stating 'I was just playing' or 'I am seriously asking honestly', then such an excuse should be taken into consideration for all bans.

Whether duki deserved the ban is not for me to decide (though I retain the right to my opinion) but Sharps post is relevant and brings up a significant and valuable point. The TOS isn't followed to a T because many people are not banned for breaking said TOS' while others are banned for lesser or similar 'crimes'. It creates extreme frustration.
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You're not sensitive but you want me banned because... mods should remain consistent. And... back seat modding... no you didn't say that... something or the other creates extreme frustration.

Why don't you restate Sharp's post in a context I can understand? Its not like I'm not giving you the opportunity to participate in dialogue.

edit: You're not being trolled I don't think. Mocked by others, perhaps. but you're not against that though. Cause you're not sensitive... I mean I guess I could be sensitive, but that would undermine your argument, no?
 
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Opiate

Member
Okay, I've responded more openly about these issues than I wanted to in the first place, so moderation discussion ends here. As always, GAF is not moderated by committee. If you have any further questions, please feel free to PM me or another moderator.

Please leave this thread for girls to talk about whatever they want to talk about. Thank you.
 
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