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Glee Season 2 |OT| How Sue "C's" it (and many blindly hate it)

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Father_Brain

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Vamphuntr said:
Why is Kurt not singing? And :lol :lol at Schuester's face
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Yeah, it's just downright bizarre how much Colfer's vocals are being ignored despite Kurt being at the center of the show's plots right now. No idea.
 
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Vamphuntr said:
Why is Kurt not singing? And :lol :lol at Schuester's face
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I think his face is like that because he threw the competition to let kurt win because he saw that Kurt could use the win after recent bullying or he knows Kurt is going to win. It could be why Rachel is also giving tips on how to smile to the competition which is VERY out of character for her. It looks like they have accepted the loss and want Kurt to be happy IMHO

Also they don't give Kurt the lead cause his voice sucks. *cue horrible Defying Gravity flashbacks-even before he messed up on purpose*
 
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Father_Brain

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netguy503 said:
I think his face is like that because he threw the competition to let kurt win because he saw that Kurt could use the win after recent bullying or he knows Kurt is going to win. It could be why Rachel is also giving tips on how to smile to the competition which is VERY out of character for her. It looks like they have accepted the loss and want Kurt to be happy IMHO

Also they don't give Kurt the lead cause his voice sucks. *cue horrible Defying Gravity flashbacks-even before he messed up on purpose*
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Colfer can actually sing pretty well, as long as the show's music people remember that he can't actually sing like a girl (despite all the jokes to the contrary).
 
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goldlion054

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netguy503 said:
I think his face is like that because he threw the competition to let kurt win because he saw that Kurt could use the win after recent bullying or he knows Kurt is going to win. It could be why Rachel is also giving tips on how to smile to the competition which is VERY out of character for her. It looks like they have accepted the loss and want Kurt to be happy IMHO

Also they don't give Kurt the lead cause his voice sucks. *cue horrible Defying Gravity flashbacks-even before he messed up on purpose*
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nah, i don't think its that. I think Dalton is just a much better lead and singer for the Worblers (sp?). I'm sure he will get the chance to sing if he stays at the academy
 
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gerg

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I really liked the episode. The "Sue marrying herself" plotline was a bit too silly for my tastes, but other than that, as I said, I thought the episode was really good. Plus, the episode introduced me to "Marry You", a song where I think that the Glee version is actually better than the original.

netguy503 said:
Also they don't give Kurt the lead cause his voice sucks. *cue horrible Defying Gravity flashbacks-even before he messed up on purpose*
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Granted, this is Glee, a show where logic doesn't exist, but giving Kurt a starring role at Sectionals just doesn't make sense. He's just joined the school - he's lucky even to be singing at Sectionals in the first place.
 
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Spotless Mind

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i_am_ben said:
I can't believe people thought this episode was good. I thought it was atrocious in every way possible.
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Same. This show fails at drama.

The amount of Kurt fawning was unbearable. Every single goddamn cheesy speech was ALL ABOUT KURT - Burt and Carole's wedding was merely an afterthought. Murphy has laid on so thick how AMAZING and INSPIRING Kurt is, that i couldn't help but roll my eyes throughout most of his scenes. He's getting waaaaaaaaay too much screen-time, to the detriment of other characters. BTW, where the hell is Emma through all this? You'd think this bullying plotline would be the perfect use of her character.

Brit and Artie makes no sense after Duets. It feels like the writers just skipped a chunk of relationship development between them. So sloppy.
 
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TehOh

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This episode kind of cemented for me just how terrible a person that Kurt is.

- Yes, the bully was kind of creepy, but Kurt tried to GET HIM EXPELLED because he couldn't handle attention from another gay kid that he didn't choose to like.
- He made his newlywed parents give up their honeymoon because he wanted to go to a new school rather than deal with his problems.
- He got all of his friends to get in a massive fistfight
- Even after Sam got hurt, Kurt never thought to mention the truth about why he's so bothered by the bully.

I understand what Kurt is going through, but wow, he is just acting like a spoiled brat who would rather save face over NOT ruing somebody's life.

I think Murphy's aim is to make us care about Kurt, but the more this goes on, the more I think that Kurt is awful.

Also, I kinda feel bad for Finn. He's getting the shaft.
 
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Father_Brain

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TehOh said:
This episode kind of cemented for me just how terrible a person that Kurt is.

- Yes, the bully was kind of creepy, but Kurt tried to GET HIM EXPELLED because he couldn't handle attention from another gay kid that he didn't choose to like.
- Even after Sam got hurt, Kurt never thought to mention the truth about why he's so bothered by the bully.

I understand what Kurt is going through, but wow, he is just acting like a spoiled brat who would rather save face over NOT ruing somebody's life.

I think Murphy's aim is to make us care about Kurt, but the more this goes on, the more I think that Kurt is awful.
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Have you already forgotten that Karofsky threatened to kill Kurt last episode if he outed him to anyone else? Kurt's not always perfectly written, but geez, some of you just transparently want to hate the character.
 
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goldlion054

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TehOh said:
This episode kind of cemented for me just how terrible a person that Kurt is.

- Yes, the bully was kind of creepy, but Kurt tried to GET HIM EXPELLED because he couldn't handle attention from another gay kid that he didn't choose to like.
- He made his newlywed parents give up their honeymoon because he wanted to go to a new school rather than deal with his problems.
- He got all of his friends to get in a massive fistfight
- Even after Sam got hurt, Kurt never thought to mention the truth about why he's so bothered by the bully.

I understand what Kurt is going through, but wow, he is just acting like a spoiled brat who would rather save face over NOT ruing somebody's life.

I think Murphy's aim is to make us care about Kurt, but the more this goes on, the more I think that Kurt is awful.

Also, I kinda feel bad for Finn. He's getting the shaft.
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1. Kurt didn't make the effort to get him expelled, Mr. Schuster and Sue suggested it after Will confronted Kurt in the hallway. And the guy threatened to kill him. Thats a bold statement thing to say, at any level
2. His parents Chose to give up their money for the honeymoon. His dad knew the bully would be out for blood and feared for his sons life. Again, he didn't force anything
3. His friends chose to get in a fight because they care about him and wanted him to be able to walk around safely. He forced nothing, again
4. He didn't mention why he was bothered because he was threatened to be killed. That is some scary shit

I can understand why you might hate him, though. He can be a very abrasive character. I personally love his character. But different strokes i suppose
 
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Vamphuntr

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netguy503 said:
I think his face is like that because he threw the competition to let kurt win because he saw that Kurt could use the win after recent bullying or he knows Kurt is going to win. It could be why Rachel is also giving tips on how to smile to the competition which is VERY out of character for her. It looks like they have accepted the loss and want Kurt to be happy IMHO

Also they don't give Kurt the lead cause his voice sucks. *cue horrible Defying Gravity flashbacks-even before he messed up on purpose*
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I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
In the next episode preview you can see New Directions singing dog days are over in the auditiorium where the competition is being held which mean that they probably won. Dalton will lose with that only song. Rachel is only cheering on him because she knows they will win without Kurt.

I don't think Kurt's voice sucks. It's no worse than autotuned Finn and the others. He does sounds like a girl like in the recent duet with Rachel. He is strong in old fashioned songs and that's it.
 
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Larson Conway

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I'm having a hard time believing Ryan Murphy wrote that episode. The hell? There was a surprising amount of continuity and touching moments there especially for a Murphy ep.
 
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BenjaminBirdie

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goldlion054 said:
1. Kurt didn't make the effort to get him expelled, Mr. Schuster and Sue suggested it after Will confronted Kurt in the hallway. And the guy threatened to kill him. Thats a bold statement thing to say, at any level
2. His parents Chose to give up their money for the honeymoon. His dad knew the bully would be out for blood and feared for his sons life. Again, he didn't force anything
3. His friends chose to get in a fight because they care about him and wanted him to be able to walk around safely. He forced nothing, again
4. He didn't mention why he was bothered because he was threatened to be killed. That is some scary shit

I can understand why you might hate him, though. He can be a very abrasive character. I personally love his character. But different strokes i suppose
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Agreed on all points. If anything, Kurt has been trying to keep all of this drama-free but other people keep getting involved/making their own decisions.

Really good episode and I was legitimately shocked at the end.

:(
 
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Dead Prince

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Larson Conway said:
I'm having a hard time believing Ryan Murphy wrote that episode. The hell? There was a surprising amount of continuity and touching moments there especially for a Murphy ep.
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It's okay. he gets lucky once in awhile.
 
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ilikeme

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Kurt's voice is great!

Quinn and Finn though. lol

edit: Oh and the Warblers are so awesome. They made me like two boring songs.. might just be Darren Criss <3 Glee has got it's douchey heart-throb now.
 
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anaron

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While I didn't mind this episode, -- or Kurt himself -- I like shows with large casts to actually utilize their characters CONSISTENTLY and for me, Glee works much better it when it does just that. (Duets for example) Give me more Emma FUCK :lol

The show almost always fails at writing drama so I'm not really comfortable with them tackling such a serious issue, - especially if it's as horribly done as it was in "never been kissed" - but I am glad that they're *at least* not doing away with it so easily either.
 
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Magnus

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i_am_ben said:
I can't believe people thought this episode was good. I thought it was atrocious in every way possible.
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Don't worry, you're not alone. It was easily the worst hour all season. Bored out of my mind for the first twenty minutes. The Britney episode moved at a better clip.

The wedding was a steady, boring plot with no rising action. There was no tension, no conflict all episode long outside of Kurt's B-story, which is already getting on my nerves, and I usually go for the gay storylines because of who I am.

The dialogue and pacing were both disasters.

Sue saved it. Kurt's a fucking blight on everything in the show now, as much as I love him and Blaine getting together and where that storyline could go. Serious overload in this episode.
 
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Einbroch

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Marry You was fantastic. I thought it was an okay episode. Certainly better than the beginning of this season, but after two solid episodes this was kind of a step back.
 
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TehOh

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Father_Brain said:
Have you already forgotten that Karofsky threatened to kill Kurt last episode if he outed him to anyone else? Kurt's not always perfectly written, but geez, some of you just transparently want to hate the character.
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Actually, I was only half paying attention to that episode, so I did forget that. Kurt's actions makes a bit more sense now. I actually thought he was making up the threat part.

I still feel like Finn is getting the shaft. :lol
 
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Alcoori

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TehOh said:
This episode kind of cemented for me just how terrible a person that Kurt is.

- Yes, the bully was kind of creepy, but Kurt tried to GET HIM EXPELLED because he couldn't handle attention from another gay kid that he didn't choose to like.
- He made his newlywed parents give up their honeymoon because he wanted to go to a new school rather than deal with his problems.
- He got all of his friends to get in a massive fistfight
- Even after Sam got hurt, Kurt never thought to mention the truth about why he's so bothered by the bully.

I understand what Kurt is going through, but wow, he is just acting like a spoiled brat who would rather save face over NOT ruing somebody's life.

I think Murphy's aim is to make us care about Kurt, but the more this goes on, the more I think that Kurt is awful.

Also, I kinda feel bad for Finn. He's getting the shaft.
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Oh come on, the guy is physically assaulting him and threatening him. It goes WAY beyond simply some unwanted attention.

He didn't WANT to go to a new school, his parents did what any parents would do in such a situation which is make their kids come first. They are very concerned, and rightly so, by the turn that bullying is getting. To be honest I found it very creepy in this episode.

Kurt is surely very afraid of the possible retribution, I don't think he's acting like a brat. He's been harassed, insulted, pushed and shoved and made feel horrible for WEEKS but the bully(ies?). He's just speaking out, which is exactly what most people that are victim of bullying don't do.

I think Finn represented well what the average person does in the face of bullying, ie nothing because they also fear retributions.

[edit] sorry didn't see the posts after yours :D

But anyway, I'm also not really utterly happy about this episode. I think Sue's bit was downright idiotic. I really really really didn't like it. It felt like something written just to get her some airtime.
I like her, but the marriage to herself was dumb imo.

Kurt storyline, well to be honest I expected it since I read recently Blaine was gonna be made a recurring character. So something had to happen. I'm also ambivalent about Kurt. I know the show is all about stereotypes and such, but sometimes he's too stereotypical. Oh well, the wedding was kinda cute and I actually like Shu's song :D
The wedding did seem to happen really fast, but whatever frankly. The dancing bit at the beginning was fun although I don't know why they insist on making Finn sing.
Also Furt makes me think of Fart, LOL.

Quinn is so bland, even her singing. I don't care for her at all. I don't care at all for Emma either, so I was pretty happy she wasn't on the show.
 
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Breathtaking.
 
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Paznos

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Another good episode and it had some great parts in it, liked the Marry You song and the Just the way you are part was awesome imo. Kurt leaving was pretty shocking though didn't think he'd actually leave especially after what the Glee club did for him in the episode, and even Sue!

The Sue stuff was not needed and saw it coming.
 
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Hours Left

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Just caught up on this week's episode, another strong entry.

A consistent run of solid episodes with continuity and character development? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. But I'm not complaining.

I think Glee has found it's footing again.
 
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Vamphuntr

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Father_Brain

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Spotless Mind said:
Kurt's tolerance Narnia subplot is almost insulting.
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Aren't these clips kind of setting up Dalton to not be a Tolerance Narnia? But if you fundamentally despise Kurt-centric plots (as opposed to their execution, which was why I was less than satisfied with the start of this storyline in Never Been Kissed), I suspect that you won't like the rest of this season very much.
 
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Vamphuntr

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Father_Brain said:
Aren't these clips kind of setting up Dalton to not be a Tolerance Narnia? But if you fundamentally despise Kurt-centric plots (as opposed to their execution, which was why I was less than satisfied with Never Been Kissed), I suspect that you won't like the rest of this season very much.
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I wonder how they will pull this one honestly. They do have a zero tolerance policy on bullying at Dalton's. This is why Blaine fled there no? I like Kurt a lot but I have to say they could at least try to balance things a bit more with other characters. Especially after last week episode. But yeah I guess he is the Rachel of season 2. I wish he would stop being the martyr though. The new previews seems to hint at that once again.
 
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Spotless Mind

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Father_Brain said:
Aren't these clips kind of setting up Dalton to not be a Tolerance Narnia?
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I didn't get that impression at all. A slow motion shot of a random guy high fiving him in the hall? Applause as he enters the room? *eyeroll* They were respectful when turning down his ideas as well, with good reason. I realize this show is pure fantasy at this point, but i'm still irked that they're handling the anti-bullying message in such an idealized way. It sends the wrong message basing such a serious plotline in an incredibly phony setting. None of it rings true for me.
 
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Father_Brain

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Spotless Mind said:
I didn't get that impression at all. A slow motion shot of a random guy high fiving him in the hall? Applause as he enters the room? *eyeroll* They were respectful when turning down his ideas as well, with good reason. I realize this show is pure fantasy at this point, but i'm still irked that they're handling the anti-bullying message in such an idealized way. It sends the wrong message basing such a serious plotline in an incredibly phony setting. None of it rings true for me.
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Dalton obviously isn't realistic, but I think these scenes do a decent job of establishing that it might not be as idyllic for Kurt as it seemed in Never Been Kissed. To each his own.

And if Glee were really tackling bullying in the most idealized manner possible, Kurt wouldn't have transferred at all - Karofsky would have been permanently expelled, or somehow defeated by ND banding together against him. I won't claim that this storyline is sending a realistic "message" (and I've criticized NBK, which was actually advertised with this gag-inducing promo, on those grounds), but I've become more forgiving of that aspect - spreading it out over multiple episodes makes it come off less as a Very Special Episode and more like a fictional story about fictional characters.
 
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Koodo

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When Season 1 ended, I remember thinking "gosh, I hope next season takes the focus away from those two annoying turds Rachel and Finn." What I didn't expect is that it would centre entirely on Annoyance Number 3™, Kurt. Lawd hammercy.


Father_Brain said:
And if Glee were really tackling bullying in the most idealized manner possible, Kurt wouldn't have transferred at all - Karofsky would have been permanently expelled, or somehow defeated by ND banding together against him. I won't claim that this storyline is sending a realistic "message" (and I've criticized NBK, which was actually advertised with this gag-inducing promo, on those grounds), but I've become more forgiving of that aspect - spreading it out over multiple episodes makes it come off less as a Very Special Episode and more like a fictional story about fictional characters.
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It's still a terrible misrepresentation of bullying. It's incredibly clear that Ryan Murphy is trying to align the show with a cause, but it's not doing that cause any favors. A typical bullying victim doesn't get the fairy tale treatment that Kurt has gotten.
 
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ivysaur12

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Sue's story was completely ridiculous and fairly stupid. It was nice to see her Nazi-hunting mother, though.

One of the better Ryan Murphy episodes besides that though.
 
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Zoe

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JCX said:
I'm confused by the Glee competition structure. They lost regionals, but they can still go to sectionals?
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It's a new school year. And sectionals come before regionals anyway.
 
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Vamphuntr

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Koodo said:
When Season 1 ended, I remember thinking "gosh, I hope next season takes the focus away from those two annoying turds Rachel and Finn." What I didn't expect is that it would centre entirely on Annoyance Number 3™, Kurt. Lawd hammercy.
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:lol :lol

I suppose you like Quinn then (your avatar)? She's pretty annoying too to be honest. In season 1 she was the "Oh poor me I'm a teen mom" my life as the captain of the cheerleader club and the celibacy club is over. She eventually evolved a bit and helped Mercedes about her weight and her self esteem problem. She also had a bunch of boring speech about responsibility and not to bash others and how no longer being the number one cheerleader opened her eyes. Too bad in season 2, she's the captain of the cheerleader again pretty much reverted to her mean old self :lol .

All the characters are pretty much annoying to a certain extent.

Rachel and her diva attitude is deeply irritating yet so funny. Anyone remember when she said that the whole club was a dead weight she had to carry with her voice alone :lol . She sent her rival to crack house too.

Oh and I hate Santana. She pretty much backstabbed the club anytime she could with the
help of Sue in season 1. She's also pretty much using gay jokes against Kurt all the time without ever getting punished for her actions. It's basically the mean and vulgar version of Rachel.

My main problem with Kurt is that he is now the martyr of the show and that storyline is basically the only one on the show right now. I love Kurt don't get me wrong. But every episode you see Kurt about to cry and the show finds a reason why you should care for him. The other characters have overall more screen time than he does but they do nothing asides ridiculous stuff like dreaming about the football coach to cool down their needs and coming up with a protest against the banning of tater tots or having Sue marry herself. It seems Ryan Murphy has run out of idea about Rachel. She pretty much has what she wanted : Finn and the glee club. She also got rid of her rival so nothing else to do about her. Same for Quinn : Cheerleader and new boyfriend. Same for Finn : Back as the quarterback and he got Rachel. Hopefully the back nine episodes are going to be more varied.
 
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