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Glee Season 2 |OT| How Sue "C's" it (and many blindly hate it)

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Ashhong

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Guess I expected too much since the Sectionals episode of season 1 is one of my favorites. Below average, but decent. I assume there is going to be a break? When are new episodes?
 
markatisu said:
Does this really need to be explained? they came to her and asked her to join so of course she is going to act like she does not want to be there. Same reason Santana acts the way she does.
But Santana actually likes glee, she just didn't want to show it initially because it would damage her rep. Lauren is at the bottom of the social food chain at McKinley, and had never expressed any interest in joining glee club before (like she did with the Cheerios) despite it being known as haven for outcasts.

She doesn't really have a reason to hide her true feelings, unless she's just trying to impress Puck. (Which would actually be a determent to that, as Puck is dedicated to the club.)
 

mcrae

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Gunloc said:
But Santana actually likes glee, she just didn't want to show it initially because it would damage her rep. Lauren is at the bottom of the social food chain at McKinley, and had never expressed any interest in joining glee club before (like she did with the Cheerios) despite it being known as haven for outcasts.

She doesn't really have a reason to hide her true feelings, unless she's just trying to impress Puck. (Which would actually be a determent to that, as Puck is dedicated to the club.)


speaking of which, ive only seen maybe 5/6 of the episodes and not always in order or on time, so im kinda out of the loop, what is the reason for the three cheerleaders and puck to be dedicated to glee club?
 

Wads

Banned
They like Glee club. Quinn probably had the most back story for it. Santana and Brit were mostly just Quinn's lackeys in the beginning, but the original story was they were Sue's spies in the Glee club so she could take the club down.

About the ep, I kind of surprised the married off Emma so quickly. They need to find a way to get her more involved in the story and I'm not sure that's the best way to do it. Really enjoyed the ep... especially the ending song.
 

anaron

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Any scene with Finchel was terribad. Hopefully, their incredibly contrived breakup will be the last. Other than those scenes, I liked seeing Rachel interacting with Kurt as a friend. More of that side to her character would be appreciated.

Quinn and Sam duet was atrocious. Did they seriously have Emma say she has a beautiful voice? :lol
 

Ashhong

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mcrae said:
speaking of which, ive only seen maybe 5/6 of the episodes and not always in order or on time, so im kinda out of the loop, what is the reason for the three cheerleaders and puck to be dedicated to glee club?

Santana has grown to love Glee Club because she finds it fun. Britney is mindless so you can pretend she does it because Santana does it, but she probably also enjoys it.
 
Much better episode. Not great, but at least it was watchable this time.

Tina needs more songs! I love her voice. It also helped that she got the best song choice all season.

Kurt was actually bearable for once. I like that he was brought down a peg and nobody was lauding him for how obviously AMAZING and INSPIRING he is.

Rachel/Finn drama was wretched. Ugh, they seriously don't know what to do with either of them.

Wads said:
About the ep, I kind of surprised the married off Emma so quickly. They need to find a way to get her more involved in the story and I'm not sure that's the best way to do it.
They already missed the perfect opportunity to expand her role. The writers seriously just sidelined the goddamn guidance counselor during their bullying arc. What a waste of the character and Jayma Mays. She's basically a prop for some woeful will they/won't they drama at this point.
 

Zomba13

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After hearing the announcer guy announce New Directions at the sectionals I now realise how much New Directions sounds like Nude Erections.

This sectionals episode was no where near as good as last seasons one (but then again that one is me favourite glee episode)
 
Foremost thing I appreciate about this episode is the surprusing amount of back-referencing to past eps. Finally. Rachel-Kurt friendship felt super forced though, as with most things with this show.
 
Zomba13 said:
After hearing the announcer guy announce New Directions at the sectionals I now realise how much New Directions sounds like Nude Erections.

This sectionals episode was no where near as good as last seasons one (but then again that one is me favourite glee episode)
it's not so bad thinking when they say kurt's last name it sounds like homo.
 

ivysaur12

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Larson Conway said:
Foremost thing I appreciate about this episode is the surprusing amount of back-referencing to past eps. Finally. Rachel-Kurt friendship felt super forced though, as with most things with this show.

Yup, that was the only part I disliked though. Surprisingly strong episode.

Not to mention Blaine is to die for.
 

Wads

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One thing I enjoyed about this episode was a lack of interference from Sue. Looks like we get one more Christmas episode and then break.
 

Goldrush

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I might be the only person that loves selfish-Rachel. Compared to all the relationship-drama, bullying, and scheming, the events and conflicts that comes out of her selfishness felt the least forced.

BTW, am I the only one who thinks Brittany and Mike routine is pretty much equivalent to Hairography?
 

Plywood

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Rachel talking to Kurt was like a whole different person, she came off as less of a character and more like a real person.
 

anaron

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Plywood said:
Rachel talking to Kurt was like a whole different person, she came off as less of a character and more like a real person.
It did feel a little forced - but those two have surprisingly great chemistry and I found that scene far more genuine than any of Kurt and Mercedes'.
 
Ryan Murphy says that most of the current cast will be written out at the end of the third season. This obviously makes sense for plot reasons (and considering Monteith's and Salling's ages), but I'm not sure how viable the fourth season will actually be; other shows have gone on to multiple successful seasons after losing their original casts, but they've usually done it by gradually writing out and replacing cast members, not by getting rid of most of the originals en masse at the end of a season. I also wonder just how much juggling the show will be doing next season between the already-large current cast and the S4 replacement cast.
 

Ceres

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They can easily keep some around as guest star Lima losers.

What I don't get is that they referred to Sam as part of the next generation. Isn't he going to be old compared to the rest? He's likely at least a sophomore. So he'll stick around for one extra year? Or are they just going to slowly start adding new cast in different grades so we don't loose everyone at once? We technically don't know the current grade of a lot of this cast. Everyone just assumed they were all sophomores but some could have been sophomores while others could have been freshmen. I think Brittany, Quinn, and Finn all in Spanish together is the only thing we have to go on. I forget if Santana was in that class.
 
Ugh, this cast is so good I don't want to see them good. Even though some of their stories are over played I don't want to see a new cast.

It's what I'm afraid about with Community. They should technically end the show after their two years but I don't want it to end or see a new cast. Friday Night Lights pulled it off but just barely.
 

aidan

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Plywood said:
Rachel talking to Kurt was like a whole different person, she came off as less of a character and more like a real person.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way. I *liked* that Rachel, but it was entirely out-of-character.
 

Petrie

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VGChampion said:
It's what I'm afraid about with Community. They should technically end the show after their two years but I don't want it to end or see a new cast. Friday Night Lights pulled it off but just barely.

If you think they should only be there for 2 years, you obviously have never attended a community college. It's a 4+ year hangout for tons of people.
 

Wads

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Petrie said:
If you think they should only be there for 2 years, you obviously have never attended a community college. It's a 4+ year hangout for tons of people.

Not to mention at some Community colleges you can even get a 4 year degree. Oh and it may not even matter as Community could easily be cancelled and you only get 2 seasons anyway.
 

Vinci

Danish
Many of the characters that were once charming in some unique way are now just annoying (Rachel, Finn, Kurt; hell, add Sam to the list despite the fact that he's been useless from the start). I wish they'd continued with the Quinn / Mercedes friendship - I really thought that was pretty distinct and could have led to some nice characterization for both.

Bring Gwyneth back. She at least had some energy.
 

mcrae

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VGChampion said:
It's what I'm afraid about with Community. They should technically end the show after their two years but I don't want it to end or see a new cast. Friday Night Lights pulled it off but just barely.

how did friday night lights do it?
 
mcrae said:
how did friday night lights do it?
Most of the characters graduated at the end of season 3. Some left the show completely and others have been phased out. All of them were given satisfying mini-arcs to show what they move onto after school. New characters were introduced in season 4 and have, mostly successfully, been integrated into the main cast.
 
TV.com

Last night’s episode of Glee was a bit of a wake-up call. As I watched “Special Education,” I realized that the rag-tag group of underdogs I loved in Season 1 has morphed into a pod of quasi-schizophrenic, unlikable brats. Where is the Glee that stole our hearts—and does it still have one of its own?
 

big ander

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My "most people" is anecdotal, but so is yours:
At the start of the year there were about 12 of us who watched Glee weekly on my residence floor. Now only 3 do. All other 9 have given it up because we felt the show was very bad this season. I even tried watching part of last nights and I couldn't bear it. Sure, the music's still alright to listen to, but the characters are ridiculous.
 
Well the ratings are staying consistent (with the exception of an expected drop Thanksgiving week) so it seems like the people that actually matter aren't getting tired of the show.
 

markatisu

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dead souls said:
Well the ratings are staying consistent (with the exception of an expected drop Thanksgiving week) so it seems like the people that actually matter aren't getting tired of the show.

Yeah I was going to say this, the original fans might have given up but they have been replaced by others.
 

maharg

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I seem to recall some similar arguments when Heroes' quality started going down the toilet. Not saying it won't be able to sustain good ratings in the long run necessarily, but Glee's core audience has already had to shift at least a couple of times and there is a risk that at some point it'll blow up in their faces.

It's definitely not the same show it started as in any way. Watching the pilot and watching a new episode is like night and day on every level. A lot of people (including me) feel a bit betrayed by that massive tone shift, because we were all a part of hyping this show to high heaven and then what we got in the end wasn't what we expected. Whether that translates into lost viewers in the long run remains to be seen.
 

Koodo

Banned
God, I still remember Sectionals from Season 1.

Flawless, intense, emotional, inspiring. Such brilliance in 50 minutes.

Glee has been better this season than the thing that occurred in the latter half of S1, but it's just sad to think how one could call those first 13 episodes "brilliant" and now the compliments only extend to "fun and touching."

I mean, even if the show has sustained high ratings, who calls Glee excellent nowadays? Practically no one.
 

Ashhong

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Plywood said:
Rachel talking to Kurt was like a whole different person, she came off as less of a character and more like a real person.

It's not the first time they've talked as friends. They have connected before, and everything she said she's sad before. Wasn't that out of character.
 

Plywood

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Ashhong said:
It's not the first time they've talked as friends. They have connected before, and everything she said she's sad before. Wasn't that out of character.
No I meant in comparison to the way she's been acting the past couple of episodes(overbearing, clingy, etc) over Finn felt like a night and day type thing it was refreshing cause I was hating her character to death this season.
Equus Bellator Apex said:
Yeah, she's hot.

It does kind of piss me off how they try to portray the Glee club as losers, while casting them as super attractive people.
The prettiest losers.
 

Hero

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maharg said:
I seem to recall some similar arguments when Heroes' quality started going down the toilet. Not saying it won't be able to sustain good ratings in the long run necessarily, but Glee's core audience has already had to shift at least a couple of times and there is a risk that at some point it'll blow up in their faces.

It's definitely not the same show it started as in any way. Watching the pilot and watching a new episode is like night and day on every level. A lot of people (including me) feel a bit betrayed by that massive tone shift, because we were all a part of hyping this show to high heaven and then what we got in the end wasn't what we expected. Whether that translates into lost viewers in the long run remains to be seen.

Glee Season 2 is no where near as bad as Heroes Season 2. There was nothing redeeming about it at all.
 

gerg

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Guys, almost everyone in American TV is pretty. You want to watch normal ugly people? Watch British TV.

In any case, I don't mind the plots changing too much. I think that I'd get bored of the "underdog" element if the show focused on it for too long.
 

Ceres

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Glee always has the music to fall back on. The story is all over the place but the songs are usually pretty good. For an episode that I really hated story wise, it had two really good covers. Which is probably a large reason that fan fiction is huge among Glee fans.
In a season and a half there's already 14,856 fics at fanfiction.net putting it 10th in popularity behind shows that have all had 5 or more seasons.

And since I was looking, dang at Supernatural with 43k stories.

I wonder if this show will ever bring up the fact that Finnocence was making out with Rachel while he was still dating Quinn. Or broke up with Rachel when he freaked out about loosing his popularity and Santana & Brittany made him an offer. So yeah, him lying about sleeping with Santana despite them not being together when it happened is a rather big deal. But I'm sure Rachel will be the only one blamed in all of this for making out with Puck and we'll get some more inappropriate Shue and Finn comfort scenes.
 
I hope that Kurt and Blaine sings together in their christmas Duet and not one of those I'm in different areas singing to someone else and they happen to be in tune.
 

Paznos

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Another good episode and it was kind of nice that we got a break from Sue since last week's episode with her was just silly.

But WTF Emma? that was fast especially for her imo.

Not really sure how I feel about them changing the cast once they graduate since everyone on the show is already in their 20's anyways :p since there's a lot of characters I like and would miss. Is everyone in the glee club in the same grade or is it a mixture of sophomores and Juniors etc?
 
Magnus said:
Figures the delicious lips line didn't make it into the episode. :lol

Maybe they didn't want the sexual tension to be too blatant in the actual scene? It's in the single version, so I wouldn't necessarily say censorship is at work here.
 
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