Glee Season 2 |OT| How Sue "C's" it (and many blindly hate it)

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maharg said:
It's definitely not the same show it started as in any way. Watching the pilot and watching a new episode is like night and day on every level. A lot of people (including me) feel a bit betrayed by that massive tone shift, because we were all a part of hyping this show to high heaven and then what we got in the end wasn't what we expected. Whether that translates into lost viewers in the long run remains to be seen.
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This is definitely how I feel as well - it's clear though that the newer format is holding an audience, unfortunately. I'm not sure I've enjoyed an episode this season - last week's particularly was a complete shambles. This one was better but, even so, it's never been the same since the first season which, for me at least, is a real shame.

I will forever remember Murphy citing this show as a show "about the importance of arts education in high schools." How far we've come since then.
 
maharg said:
I seem to recall some similar arguments when Heroes' quality started going down the toilet. Not saying it won't be able to sustain good ratings in the long run necessarily, but Glee's core audience has already had to shift at least a couple of times and there is a risk that at some point it'll blow up in their faces.

It's definitely not the same show it started as in any way. Watching the pilot and watching a new episode is like night and day on every level. A lot of people (including me) feel a bit betrayed by that massive tone shift, because we were all a part of hyping this show to high heaven and then what we got in the end wasn't what we expected. Whether that translates into lost viewers in the long run remains to be seen.
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The pilot made it seem like it was a counter point to the whole "high school musical" thing, but now glee is even more fantastical than HSM ever was.

I stopped watching a few weeks ago, mostly because of how everyone became terrible people, yet never had anything happen because of it. Especially Kurt, who get's praised for being especially terrible
 
Show has really become shit. It's kind of funny how it's become. You have Santana and Brittany both move up from background characters, to supporting cast. Mercedes is nothing more than token black girl for the club. Asian girl switched with Asian boy. And Kurt plot has taken center stage above the supporting cast.

And the song selection + plot lines. Ugh, Did they really have an episode over those hash brown squares?
 
shintoki said:
Show has really become shit. It's kind of funny how it's become. You have Santana and Brittany both move up from background characters, to supporting cast. Mercedes is nothing more than token black girl for the club. Asian girl switched with Asian boy. And Kurt plot has taken center stage above the supporting cast.

And the song selection + plot lines. Ugh, Did they really have an episode over those hash brown squares?
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It was the c story in that episode.
 
Meh. It's just a show to sell music at this point. None of the characters are particularly likable. Schu has become a sad creeper. Sue's less funny and more uncomfortable to me now.

The plot points don't even make much sense.

It's a kitschy musical in the form of a tv show. The show clearly embraces it, so I don't particularly mind.
 
Yeah, I don't really care if people post about their grievances on the off days but it's going to get annoying if some of you keep saying how you're not watching it but the new episode was horrible come Tuesday.
 
krypt0nian said:
Looks like we have some terrible show-stopped watching people who need to man up and stop posting.
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I agree. I personally hated the two tribute episodes they did this season because they simply did it for the show and had no sensible reasons to have a plot centered around them. But it's getting much better now. Saying that the show is much more worse than the first season is going a bit far. No one remember the whole part with April? Rachel's mom? Jesse? Those were bad also. It's basically the same format if you forget the two tributes episodes only that now the plot seems centered around Kurt's problems rather than Rachel and Quinn.

You don't like the show fine but please don't talk about how it's now fantasy like. In Season 1 they won sectionals by improvising a choreography and a song at the last minute. Their opponents, (another high school) were given each an expensive car from their sponsors (high school students :lol). They had deaf people sing in a singing competition. Sue was sending the Cheerios clothes to a dry cleaner in Europe. Quinn's daughter was magically adopted by Rachel's mom and Quinn's mother magically realized her husband was a jerk and took Quinn back. Show choirs are also not about someone singing 95% of the song solo and the last 5% being oh and ah in the background.

The only thing that felt really bad is how the two tribute episodea were so close to each others and how nothing happened in them. It gave the impression that there was no story until the sixt episode. If you don't like Kurt then that's a valid complain but don't say he always gets away with it. That's not true. His whole season 1 behavior backfired on him in duet where even his dad blamed him. He was basically like Rachel until they were both shut up in the last episode.
 
Koodo said:
God, I still remember Sectionals from Season 1.

Flawless, intense, emotional, inspiring. Such brilliance in 50 minutes.

Glee has been better this season than the thing that occurred in the latter half of S1, but it's just sad to think how one could call those first 13 episodes "brilliant" and now the compliments only extend to "fun and touching."

I mean, even if the show has sustained high ratings, who calls Glee excellent nowadays? Practically no one.
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I loved the Pilot like a lot of other people, but looking into the reviews I read at the time season 1 was never considered brilliant. It was pretty much what it is now. Sometimes great, sometimes bad, but overall a lot of fun.
 
Vamphuntr said:
I agree. I personally hated the two tribute episodes they did this season because they simply did it for the show and had no sensible reasons to have a plot centered around them. But it's getting much better now. Saying that the show is much more worse than the first season is going a bit far. No one remember the whole part with April? Rachel's mom? Jesse? Those were bad also. It's basically the same format if you forget the two tributes episodes only that now the plot seems centered around Kurt's problems rather than Rachel and Quinn.

You don't like the show fine but please don't talk about how it's now fantasy like. In Season 1 they won sectionals by improvising a choreography and a song at the last minute. Their opponents, (another high school) were given each an expensive car from their sponsors (high school students :lol). They had deaf people sing in a singing competition. Sue was sending the Cheerios clothes to a dry cleaner in Europe. Quinn's daughter was magically adopted by Rachel's mom and Quinn's mother magically realized her husband was a jerk and took Quinn back. Show choirs are also not about someone singing 95% of the song solo and the last 5% being oh and ah in the background.

The only thing that felt really bad is how the two tribute episodea were so close to each others and how nothing happened in them. It gave the impression that there was no story until the sixt episode. If you don't like Kurt then that's a valid complain but don't say he always gets away with it. That's not true. His whole season 1 behavior backfired on him in duet where even his dad blamed him. He was basically like Rachel until they were both shut up in the last episode.
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We're not comparing it to season 1 as a whole, just the first half. Actually, just the pilot, which is a second tonal shift altogether
 
Spotless Mind said:
Methinks you need to man up and not get so defensive over other people opinions.
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I don't want to read another tv thread ruined by idiots who cannot stop watching a show they supposedly hate.

That's not being defensive.
 
krypt0nian said:
I don't want to read another tv thread ruined by idiots who cannot stop watching a show they supposedly hate.

That's not being defensive.
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Yes it is. They have legitimate reasons for complaining.

Anyway, I guess the cast of Glee will be performing on X-Factor in a few hours.
 
Hmm, no idea what's going on on this page, but I'm assuming that Blaine and Kurt end up transferring to McKinley. Like Blaine decides he wants to try to be strong with Kurt or some shit.
 
dream said:
Yes it is. They have legitimate reasons for complaining.

Anyway, I guess the cast of Glee will be performing on X-Factor in a few hours.
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No it's not. Learn to read what I posted.

They have no reason to complain if they watch a show they hate. Or like the other fool, complain after he stopped watching.

"the characters all suck, the plots are unbelievable, the songs suck now, filler episode, wrong characters being focused on"

Stop watching the shitty show and STFU. There are better things to watch on tv than a show you obviously hate. Or go play outside, your mom is calling.

That's just shitting up a thread.
 
Wads said:
Hmm, no idea what's going on on this page, but I'm assuming that Blaine and Kurt end up transferring to McKinley. Like Blaine decides he wants to try to be strong with Kurt or some shit.
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C O U R A G E

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krypt0nian said:
No it's not. Learn to read what I posted.

They have no reason to complain if they watch a show they hate. Or like the other fool, complain after he stopped watching.

"the characters all suck, the plots are unbelievable, the songs suck now, filler episode, wrong characters being focused on"

Stop watching the shitty show and STFU. There are better things to watch on tv than a show you obviously hate. Or go play outside, your mom is calling.

That's just shitting up a thread.
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And this is just you being overly defensive. There are plenty of reasons to continue watching Glee even if you're disappointed by the steep and marked drop in quality. And there's nothing wrong with complaining about them because the show doesn't have to be like this.
 
I haven't necessarily disliked any episodes this season. The second half of season 1 was lesser quality IMO.

But, I do have a complaint about the actors. They appeal to me, but they aren't alluring. I rate a show based on if how much I can't wait for X character to be back on screen.

Sue has an amazing personality in the show, but there are tons of scenes where she doesn't impress me at all.

I like screen time for my favorite characters to be epic.

What's an example? Tim Riggins in Firday Night Lights. Every time he graces the screen it's great.

And now most of the cast will graduate, the appeal is at an all time low.
 
DeathNote said:
I haven't necessarily disliked any episodes this season. The second half of season 1 was lesser quality IMO.

But, I do have a complaint about the actors. They appeal to me, but they aren't alluring. I rate a show based on if how much I can't wait for X character to be back on screen.

Sue has an amazing personality in the show, but there are tons of scenes where she doesn't impress me at all.

I like screen time for my favorite characters to be epic.

What's an example? Tim Riggins in Firday Night Lights. Every time he graces the screen it's great.

And now most of the cast will graduate, the appeal is at an all time low.
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Shit, I watch the show for Emma. Imagine how I feel.
 
dream said:
Shit, I watch the show for Emma. Imagine how I feel.
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I must say, every time I see her I do have the feeling I look for. I guess it has to do with how much I like the character and how serial feeling their presence is.
 
dream said:
And this is just you being overly defensive. There are plenty of reasons to continue watching Glee even if you're disappointed by the steep and marked drop in quality. And there's nothing wrong with complaining about them because the show doesn't have to be like this.
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I'm not saying don't complain but when you're entire post history in the Glee thread is what I posted above, then stop fucking watching the bad show, idiots.

Nothing defensive about it. It's called having balls.
 
krypt0nian said:
I'm not saying don't complain but when you're entire post history in the Glee thread is what I posted above, then stop fucking watching the bad show, idiots.

Nothing defensive about it. It's called having balls.
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The show still has the occasional great episode; but there's no denying it's gone completely off the rails. I mean, the characters are different people nearly every single week! :lol

I still watch Glee mainly because no matter how genuinely awful it gets, it's always a little entertaining. (that, and basically a shitload of my friends watch it so it always provides a discussion piece of some sort)

Maybe it's because I'm used to TWoP and their incessant complaints - but hell, this is a discussion thread and I'd say there's been a fair mixture of praise and criticism.
 
Ah but there is denying. The show remains great fun for the majority of it's still growing viewership. Anyone expecting grand character arcs, or anything beyond basic continuity is watching the wrong show.

It's stupid fun with music and never claimed to be anything else. And again complain, but don't fucking complain every week about the same shit. You know what this show is and there is no sign of anything changing about it.

Same broken records every week.
 
Some of these complaints seem contradictory. We have people complaining about Kurt's storyline taking up too much of the plot each week and then others complain about there not being any grand character arcs.
 
Ah but there is denying. The show remains great fun for the majority of it's still growing viewership. Anyone expecting grand character arcs, or anything beyond basic continuity is watching the wrong show.

It's stupid fun with music and never claimed to be anything else. And again complain, but don't fucking complain every week about the same shit. You know what this show is and there is no sign of anything changing about it.

Same broken records every week.
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Except the show isn't always of that simplicity.
It's shown with episodes like Duets to be incredibly fun, engaging and ultimately, well-written. Because of that, it makes it incredibly frustrating to watch a show that is so wildly inconsistent.
 
krypt0nian said:
Ah but there is denying. The show remains great fun for the majority of it's still growing viewership. Anyone expecting grand character arcs, or anything beyond basic continuity is watching the wrong show.

It's stupid fun with music and never claimed to be anything else. And again complain, but don't fucking complain every week about the same shit. You know what this show is and there is no sign of anything changing about it.

Same broken records every week.
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It's a message board. You know, where ideas and opinions (including ones you don't like) are shared.

You've puled enough, don't you think?
 
MC Safety said:
It's a message board. You know, where ideas and opinions (including ones you don't like) are shared.

You've puled enough, don't you think?
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Seriously. I haven't seen too many people trolling the show for the sake of it. Most have just shown disappointment with some of the legitimately shitty writing

I hate it when threads turn into Lost-GAF defensiveness, where any type of criticism is deflected as "not getting it."
 
krypt0nian said:
Ah but there is denying. The show remains great fun for the majority of it's still growing viewership. Anyone expecting grand character arcs, or anything beyond basic continuity is watching the wrong show.

It's stupid fun with music and never claimed to be anything else. And again complain, but don't fucking complain every week about the same shit. You know what this show is and there is no sign of anything changing about it.

Same broken records every week.
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Just because you enjoy it as "stupid fun", doesn't mean everyone has to. This show has proven it can be smart, funny and touching, without pandering with it's themes, overwrought messages and soap opera relationships. I'm not even expecting grand character arcs. I am, however, expecting basic character continuity from week-to-week and this show rarely even gets that right.

I enjoy the show a lot. There have been enough bright spots (Sue mainly) to justify continuing to watch, plus i'm fascinated by its train-wreck quality. Even though i enjoy the show, i'm not going to lower my expectations enough where i won't call it out when it's bad. No-ones trying to ruin your enjoyment, though, and it certainly isn't "shitting up a thread" if someone posts something you don't agree with. We're on a discussion forum after all.

gerg said:
Some of these complaints seem contradictory. We have people complaining about Kurt's storyline taking up too much of the plot each week and then others complain about there not being any grand character arcs.
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It would only be contradictory if it were the same people saying both those things. Also, the biggest problem is that the only character that has had anything resembling a character arc this season is Kurt.
 
Spotless Mind said:
It would only be contradictory if it were the same people saying both those things.
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Oh, of course. The reality with different people saying different things is that it's a sign that the Glee fanbase is too diverse for the show to be able to please fully.

Also, the biggest problem is that the only character that has had anything resembling a character arc this season is Kurt.
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Not really.

Rachel and Finn's relationship has had an arc, one which culminated last week.
Artie, Brittany, Tina and Mike have had arcs, too, which have involved each other.
Quinn and Sam have had an arc, as well.
 
gerg said:
Some of these complaints seem contradictory. We have people complaining about Kurt's storyline taking up too much of the plot each week and then others complain about there not being any grand character arcs.
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Believe it or not, everyone who disagrees with you is not part of some monolithic entity that must come to consensus on their problems with something before expressing them. Pointing out that person A disagrees with person B as if it renders both people's opinion moot is a bit silly.

gerg said:
Oh, of course. The reality with different people saying different things is that it's a sign that the Glee fanbase is too diverse for the show to be able to please fully.
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*insert long lost rolleye smiley here* is there anything for which this is not true? You've gone from logical fallacy to tautology.
 
maharg said:
Believe it or not, everyone who disagrees with you is not part of some monolithic entity that must come to consensus on their problems with something before expressing them. Pointing out that person A disagrees with person B as if it renders both people's opinion moot is a bit silly.
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Okay, I overstepped myself. I admit this.
 
gerg said:
Rachel and Finn's relationship has had an arc, once which culminated last week.
Artie, Brittany, Tina and Mike have had arcs, too, which have involved each other.
Quinn and Sam have had an arc, as well.
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Perhaps a more accurate criticism would be that Kurt is the only lead character who's had a (mostly) consistently written arc this season.

Example: Sam's scenes in Duets play up the notion that he's a dork who doesn't really know how to interact with girls. That aspect of his personality has been more or less ignored since then.

Another example: The recap at the beginning of Never Been Kissed told us that Artie wants Brittany back. This was not actually established in any way by the ending of Duets or the Rocky Horror episode.
 
Father_Brain said:
Example: Sam's scenes in Duets play up the notion that he's a dork who doesn't really know how to interact with girls. That aspect of his personality has been more or less ignored since then.
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What about that incredibly stupid (and dorky) "promise" ring?

Another example: The recap at the beginning of Never Been Kissed told us that Artie wants Brittany back. This was not actually established in any way by the ending of Duets or the Rocky Horror episode.
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While this may be true, that seems like an issue of continuity, not of a character's lack of development (such to form an arc).
 
gerg said:
What about that incredibly stupid (and dorky) "promise" ring?
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I thought it came off as more creepy than dorky myself. In any case, since the episode as a whole treated it as a sweet and heartfelt romantic gesture and not as an incredibly bad idea, I'd say neither perspective reflects well on the writers.
 
Father_Brain said:
In any case, since the episode as a whole treated it as a sweet and heartfelt romantic gesture and not as an incredibly bad idea, I'd say neither perspective reflects well on the writers.
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Just because you're stupid and dorky doesn't mean that you can't be considered sweet.

The worst thing about Sam and Quinn is that they are simply the Finn and Rachel of Season 1. Finn and Rachel are now slightly more interesting characters, but Sam and Quinn have got nothing really going for them that we haven't already seen.
 
MC Safety said:
It's a message board. You know, where ideas and opinions (including ones you don't like) are shared.

You've puled enough, don't you think?
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Apparently you don't read well. I have no issues with complaints. It's the fools that watch a show expecting something that the show is not, week after week. Same with any GAF TV thread.

People just like to watch shitty shows and complain endlessly. I watched Walking Dead expecting the greatness of the comic. It is total shit. I expressed myself and moved on from the thread AND the show.

Because I'm not an asshole that will shit up a thread every week with the same complaints.

"hurr dude it's a message board" has nothing to do with my point.
 
I don't know what to think of Glee right now...

Last season I watched just about all the episodes live or within a couple of days after the air-date. Now I just watch them in groups of 2-3 on Hulu several weeks later.The show is just way too inconsistent.

- What is the point of Sam? I honestly feels like the writers don't even know anymore. He went from being an insecure guy who was awkward around girls to being just another generic jock or Finn v2.0.
- Quinn has reverted back to pre-teen mom and basically lost all character development from last season. What happened to her baby again? :lol
- I liked Kurt last season somewhat but it's starting to reach a saturation point this season. Also, he's a terrible friend to Mercedez.
- Rachel and Finn's relationship is completely BORING. I have no interest in it whatsoever and there doesn't seem to be any real chemistry. Plus I always hate when characters say, "I want you to be completely honest with me!" And then when the other character is, they breakup. :lol But real-life is like that too, so whatever...
- As mentioned, Will is a total creeper. There were a couple of episodes this season that made him somewhat normal again, but a few eps later he's back to being a creeper man-whore.
- I like Sue, but when they shoehorn her into plots it doesn't go well and her marrying herself was just awful. It's something she would mock other people for doing.

The characters I do like are Puck and Emma. Puck is one of the few characters who's stayed consistent. He also tends to say things the viewer is thinking. As for Emma, I hated her last season but I really enjoyed her character development this season. She's been one of the few bright spots for me this season in Glee. Too bad they've completely shoved her to the sidelines even when her character could have been relevant to the story.

Also I guess I just have different taste than a lot of you. I HATED the singing in the rain/Umbrella mashup. I love the original Singing in the Rain and I thought their mashup didn't do it any justice. Then again I detest Umbrella, so that probably had something to do with it as well. Overall the songs have been "meh" for me this season.

I haven't given up on the show. I'll watch it on Hulu when there's nothing else on. But it's certinaly not Must See TV anymore for me.
 
krypt0nian said:
Apparently you don't read well. I have no issues with complaints. It's the fools that watch a show expecting something that the show is not, week after week. Same with any GAF TV thread.

People just like to watch shitty shows and complain endlessly. I watched Walking Dead expecting the greatness of the comic. It is total shit. I expressed myself and moved on from the thread AND the show.

Because I'm not an asshole that will shit up a thread every week with the same complaints.

"hurr dude it's a message board" has nothing to do with my point.
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It has plenty to do with it. When you're whining about complaints on a message board, it certainly is.

Honestly, Glee has been so many things both good and awful, that it's hard to discount any criticism. And people watching the show don't know what to expect. So they watch, hopeful, but with the understanding they won't be pleased. I don't see anything wrong with this.
 
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