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[royalan]

Ryan Murphy is such a terrible showrunner.

And quite a douchebag, too.

Agreed. I really have to learn to not get into any of his shows. They all end up the same way:

Step 1. Start out with interesting and exciting concept.
Step 2. Win audiences with genuine effort and near-flawless first batch of episodes.
Step 3. Give in to any and all fan pleas to the point that all logical plot points and character development are ripped apart in a mad orgy of trying to please everyone all the time instead of telling a good story.


This episode was pretty meh. The original songs were terrible (with the exception of Trouty Mouth and Hell to the No), and I was disappointed that the regionals set-up went back to being The Rachel Berry Showcase.

Sue is basically pointless now.

The dramatic moments really ruin the flow of the show. Flinn giving Rachel tips on writing a good song? Yeah. And that acceptance speech from Rachel at the end had me wanting to vomit in my mouth. Overall, what this show does well is comedy. Santana is really giving Sue a run for her money for biggest source of laughs on the show.

 

[gerg]

Frankly, I don't really care if Sue leaves the show. In fact, I hope she does as soon as her purpose is spent. I don't want Glee to become like Ugly Betty, where, iirc, Wilhelmina was around in some antagnostic capacity every season.

(Caveat: I jumped ship around the latter end of Season 2 or maybe even the beginning of Season 3, I think.)

 

[Goldrush]

Frankly, I don't really care if Sue leaves the show. In fact, I hope she does as soon as her purpose is spent. I don't want Glee to become like Ugly Betty, where, iirc, Wilhelmina was around in some antagnostic capacity every season.

(Caveat: I jumped ship around the latter end of Season 2 or maybe even the beginning of Season 3, I think.)

Sue is the biggest problem with the show right now. Right now, there's no tension in the show. Sue had some great schemes this season but the show failed to do anything with it.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

Where has this show gone to? Last week was fantastic, but this week? -_-;

I found the original songs that the sang for regionals really terrible, Hell to the No and Trouty Mouth were the exception. Not using Hell to the No was shocking, it was such a song fun and it featured Mercedes which was especially nice.

The story was just a little bland too, I'm aware that it was regionals and a good portion of the show would have been dedicated to that but, really. Does Finn really have the intelligence to coach Rachel on how to write songs, he can barely string a coherent sentence together. And I'm still wondering what Quinn sees in him, except for the fact that she can use him for her own personal gain.

I'm glad they haven't thrown awat the Santana and Brittany stuff from last week, a little consistency is nice.

I was all for Blaine and Kurt though it seemed very forced. Sure, people can realise they made a mistake in saying the just wanted to be friends, but did they have to make it so cringy. Especially at the end with the "we didn't win but we have each other" line. Bleargh. The kiss was well handled though and I enjoyed Blackbird.

I really don't want anymore original songs, I imagine that they are just going to end up singing the plot to each other if they carry on this way. And Sue us really grating, she's worn thin and just doesn't seem to have a purpose anymore. I liked that Kurt addressed Blaine singing too many songs, but why can't they do that with Rachel. I love all the other female vocalists. Give the songs too!

Glee, why do you do this to me?

 

[ChocolateCupcakes]

Where has this show gone to? Last week was fantastic, but this week? -_-;

I found the original songs that the sang for regionals really terrible, Hell to the No and Trouty Mouth were the exception. Not using Hell to the No was shocking, it was such a song fun and it featured Mercedes which was especially nice.

The story was just a little bland too, I'm aware that it was regionals and a good portion of the show would have been dedicated to that but, really. Does Finn really have the intelligence to coach Rachel on how to write songs, he can barely string a coherent sentence together. And I'm still wondering what Quinn sees in him, except for the fact that she can use him for her own personal gain.

I'm glad they haven't thrown awat the Santana and Brittany stuff from last week, a little consistency is nice.

I was all for Blaine and Kurt though it seemed very forced. Sure, people can realise they made a mistake in saying the just wanted to be friends, but did they have to make it so cringy. Especially at the end with the "we didn't win but we have each other" line. Bleargh. The kiss was well handled though and I enjoyed Blackbird.

I really don't want anymore original songs, I imagine that they are just going to end up singing the plot to each other if they carry on this way. And Sue us really grating, she's worn thin and just doesn't seem to have a purpose anymore. I liked that Kurt addressed Blaine singing too many songs, but why can't they do that with Rachel. I love all the other female vocalists. Give the songs too!

Glee, why do you do this to me?

I can agree with everything you said except the Hell to the No song. You really thought that was regionals worthy? It was a fun song and all but no. Thats like singing Tik Tok or something for an audtion for a Broadway show.

 

[Zoe]

I liked that Kurt addressed Blaine singing too many songs, but why can't they do that with Rachel. I love all the other female vocalists. Give the songs too!

It feels like Rachel hasn't really been getting as many songs lately.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

I can agree with everything you said except the Hell to the No song. You really thought that was regionals worthy? It was a fun song and all but no. Thats like singing Tik Tok or something for an audtion for a Broadway show.

Maybe, I can understand your point and maybe, lyrically it isn't the best regionals song, but I enjoyed it more than the other regional songs. I think they were just a bit safe, apart from the fact that they were original. New Directions always push the boat out for regionals, like when the did Valerie with lots of dance choreography for sectionals. Soemthing felt missing from all the performances. It requires a rewatch for sure as I was very skeptical going in to watch this episode.

It feels like Rachel hasn't really been getting as many songs lately.

With regionals it did feel like a Berry-fest. I miss when they gave Santana Valerie to sing during sections and the duet to Quinn and Sam. It was a breath of fresh air, in some cases I didn't like the performance, but it was something new. Rachel just dominates too much for my liking, especially in group performances. Sure, she has a strong voice but can't they just shut her up for some songs.

 

[CarbonatedFalcon]

So what'e been on my mind recently is where this show has to go past this season (if they win nationals) or at the very latest, past season 3.

Without the overarching goal of a competition to win (there is a clear final goal here), and with characters being replaced (it is a high school, the longest any character could last is 4 seasons, unless they somehow failed a year, which doesn't make sense with any of the current cast except maybe Puck).

Has it ever been stated what year the characters are supposed to be in? (i.e. Finn being a football captain as a Freshman wouldn't happen, so he is probably a Senior in the current season, supported by the prom king/queen plotline.)

Changing one cast member on a show can my risky, overturn of nearly all the characters changes the whole dynamic.

Basically, I think Glee with Jump the Shark somewhere in season 3 (4 at the latest) and there's nothing to be done about it. It may soldier on longer, but it won't be the same.

Thoughts?

 

[sammyCYBORG]

As far as I recall, it has never been stated what years the Glee kids were in, though I kind of want some fresh cast members. I think you may be right on Finn though, using your reasoning.

Presonally, although I love this show, like you CarbonatedFalcon I feel that if they win this seasons regionals, there really is nothing else to focus on. I love some of the recent plot developments though I really can't see where this is heading in to season 3.

I want them to graduate some soon, it would be nice for it to maintain its image as a highschool. And you say you don't think any of the current class could fail a year. I present Britanny, the girl who thinks broccoli is a "small tree where a family of gummy people live". How they would graduate people though is a mystery, there is really no age definition between any of them, and most are in the same classes. So, who knows.

 

[dead souls]

Ryan Murphy has already said that the tentative plan is to graduate many of the kids after season three and bring in new cast. Whether that will work, or whether the show will even still be as big a hit as it is now by the end of season three remains to be seen.

Since so much of what many Glee fans enjoy is the music and spectacle I think it could work much more than it would on other shows.

 

[Foov]

Ryan Murphy has already said that the tentative plan is to graduate many of the kids after season three and bring in new cast. Whether that will work, or whether the show will even still be as big a hit as it is now by the end of season three remains to be seen.

Since so much of what many Glee fans enjoy is the music and spectacle I think it could work much more than it would on other shows.

I think the big question is whether Rachel is replaceable - they still haven't found anyone that can match her vocally and for the most part she still carries the show in that regard. A lot of them are good singers (or lip syncers), but none of them have the range or skill she does when they need someone to belt out pretty much any style of music and make it work without just going for laughs or sex appeal. Mercedes gets close but she seems to be limited to a narrow range of styles - whether by talent or producer decision I don't know.

 

[Granger Danger]

I think the big question is whether Rachel is replaceable - they still haven't found anyone that can match her vocally and for the most part she still carries the show in that regard. A lot of them are good singers (or lip syncers), but none of them have the range or skill she does when they need someone to belt out pretty much any style of music and make it work without just going for laughs or sex appeal. Mercedes gets close but she seems to be limited to a narrow range of styles - whether by talent or producer decision I don't know.

I like Santana's voice better than any of the other girls'. Rachel's got boring after about three episodes while Santana's stays fresh song after song.

 

[royalan]

I think the big question is whether Rachel is replaceable - they still haven't found anyone that can match her vocally and for the most part she still carries the show in that regard. A lot of them are good singers (or lip syncers), but none of them have the range or skill she does when they need someone to belt out pretty much any style of music and make it work without just going for laughs or sex appeal. Mercedes gets close but she seems to be limited to a narrow range of styles - whether by talent or producer decision I don't know.

I don't think there's anything especially remarkable about Rachel's voice. She's a great singer, to be sure, but not in any way irreplaceable. There are plenty of girls out there with that same broadway-ready style. I would actually say that her voice, while technically proficient, is actually quite boring.

Heck, within the show they have Mercedes, who has proven time and time again to be as technically capable as Rachel. Her vocals are very stylized, which doesn't make her ideal for a Celine Dion-type ballad, but she definitely deserves more attention than she gets.

I think Rachel only caries the show because the producers want it that way.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

I don't think there's anything especially remarkable about Rachel's voice.

I feel the same, I won't disagree that she has a strong voice but I don't feel that there is anything specail about it either. She is replacable, sure, and to be honest, Rachel is the only one of the cast that has been given such a broad diversity in the song style repeatedly. I used to quite like Rachel's voice, but it so overused and so forced now. She made a comment in the last episode about how she "cries in every solo", and to me, that has just become such a joke. I would also like Rachel to actually develop in to a character too, she is so trite and cliche, I'm unsure whether there is anything for her to become.

I think there is someone out there to replace Rachel, but whether the producers want to do it is the main quesiton.

 

[Dead Prince]

 

[royalan]

^ That gif makes me forget about how flat and wasted Blaine is as a character...and how much it sucks to be single.

 

[BertramCooper]

I think the big question is whether Rachel is replaceable - they still haven't found anyone that can match her vocally and for the most part she still carries the show in that regard. A lot of them are good singers (or lip syncers), but none of them have the range or skill she does when they need someone to belt out pretty much any style of music and make it work without just going for laughs or sex appeal. Mercedes gets close but she seems to be limited to a narrow range of styles - whether by talent or producer decision I don't know.

Rachel is totally replaceable.

Lea Micheles are a dime a dozen on Broadway.

 

[markatisu]

I want to see more Sunshine Corazon! They have new characters they just don't use them

 

[Stezie88]

I feel like when they lost Kurt, they should have had a "freshman" or younger person join, so that when everyone graduates, we'll have some familiar faces. I also don't think it's realistic that they'd get 12 new people after Rachel and Santana and everyone graduates...they had enough trouble replacing Kurt.

And as far as no one failing other than Puck...have we forgotten Brittany?

 

[CarbonatedFalcon]

I want to see more Sunshine Corazon! They have new characters they just don't use them

I totally forgot she existed. Damn they need to make more use of her.

And yes, I totally forgot about Brittany when thinking about people who could fail. I was writing that post right before I had to head out the door for a class.

 

[Foov]

I'm not suggesting that there aren't other's out there who can sing as well as Rachel, just from what I've seen of the show she has been the most versatile by far - she's been able to sing and pull off pretty much any genre they've thrown at her, and sell thousands and thousands of tracks on itunes. Much more so than the other cast members (just casually observing what seems to chart most in their singles). She definitely has the broadway niche locked down but of all the cast members she also steps out of her niche the most successfully. Sure that might be totally a producer choice, but if so that still suggests to me that when it comes time to replace her they are going to have a hard time of it.
Plus she pulls the acting part of her job off well enough - sunshine is as good a singer but damn if every time she spoke a line in that ep I didn't want to scratch my eyes out.

 

[Zoe]

Rachel sucked doing Britney Spears.

 

[BertramCooper]

Dave Grohl rips on Ryan Murphy

Good stuff.

 

[SaintZ]

Rachel sucked doing Britney Spears.

She sounded like a chipmunk. I don't like Lea doing pop songs though I prefer her version of Firework over Katy Perry's.

 

[ChocolateCupcakes]

Dave Grohl rips on Ryan Murphy

Good stuff.

Good, I cant really imagine the cast would sing Hero or Best of You as well as him.

 

[BertramCooper]

I find it so repulsive that Murphy thinks he can pick whatever music he wants and then bash anyone who has the audacity to say no.

What a fucking prick.

 

[dead souls]

Eh, The Foo Fighters have sucked since their third album so who really cares what Dave Grohl thinks about anything?

Still loling at BetramCooper's never ending hate-a-thon for Glee.

 

[ZephyrFate]

Eh, The Foo Fighters have sucked since their third album so who really cares what Dave Grohl thinks about anything?

Still loling at BetramCooper's never ending hate-a-thon for Glee.

Incredibly stupid to bash the Foo Fighters just because they hated on your precious Glee.

 

[Granger Danger]

Incredibly stupid to bash the Foo Fighters just because they hated on your precious Glee.

Thanks for that valuable insight.

 

[BertramCooper]

Eh, The Foo Fighters have sucked since their third album so who really cares what Dave Grohl thinks about anything?

Ryan Murphy, is that you?

Still loling at BetramCooper's never ending hate-a-thon for Glee.

If it stopped being shitty and went back to being the show it originally was, I wouldn't hate on it.

 

[i_am_ben]

They need to do something with Mercedes. These days she's just a faghag without a homo and thus getting limited screen time.

 

[BertramCooper]

They need to do something with Mercedes. These days she's just a faghag without a homo and thus getting limited screen time.

Yeah, I'm curious as to why they've cut her screen time so drastically.

 

[Escape Goat]

Bertram can keep me company. I think my last episode was back when Sunshine was on or there abouts.

 

[dead souls]

Incredibly stupid to bash the Foo Fighters just because they hated on your precious Glee.

What can I say? Glee entertained me this week, like it does most weeks. The Foo Fighters haven't released anything of value since the 90s so advantage to Glee.

Plus Ryan Murphy's new pilot for FX is starring Connie Britton, so that's another reason for me to dig him.

 

[BertramCooper]

What can I say? Glee entertained me this week, like it does most weeks. The Foo Fighters haven't released anything of value since the 90s so advantage to Glee.

So you're totally cool with Ryan Murphy using ad hominem attacks against anyone who doesn't want to have their music butchered by him?

 

[ZephyrFate]

What can I say? Glee entertained me this week, like it does most weeks. The Foo Fighters haven't released anything of value since the 90s so advantage to Glee.

Plus Ryan Murphy's new pilot for FX is starring Connie Britton, so that's another reason for me to dig him.

I'm glad your standards for entertainment are so very low.

 

[Zabka]

Yeah, I'm curious as to why they've cut her screen time so drastically.

The pretty people on the show have the real problems, and they keep adding more of them!

 

[VGChampion]

Yeah, I'm curious as to why they've cut her screen time so drastically.

I'm sad so much of the Glee cast time has been cut. The show still has potential and all, it's just the writing is going in the wrong direction a lot of times. I want more of the side characters and less of the adults. Sue is funny but I really don't care about Schue at all anymore. He's become an unlikeable douche imo.

I liked Stamos' role but who knows where that will end up now. :/

 

[krypt0nian]

So you're totally cool with Ryan Murphy using ad hominem attacks against anyone who doesn't want to have their music butchered by him?

I don't care what he says to Grohl or anyone else. It's just more publicity for both of them. It's totally obvious.

Why would your opinion matter? You watch shows you hate. Haha.

 

[Plywood]

Pucks song was hilariously awesome and I liked Loser Like Me way more than Get It Right, though I might need to listen to it again.

 

[BertramCooper]

I don't care what he says to Grohl or anyone else. It's just more publicity for both of them. It's totally obvious.

Ryan Murphy is the one who started publicly disparaging musicians who didn't want their music used in Glee. Not the other way around.

Why would your opinion matter? You watch shows you hate. Haha.

I don't agree with you, therefore my opinion is invalid. I get it.

How dare I call out this show for its numerous flaws. Shame on me.

 

[ZephyrFate]

I don't care what he says to Grohl or anyone else. It's just more publicity for both of them. It's totally obvious.

Why would your opinion matter? You watch shows you hate. Haha.

Just because you unabashedly love the show and ignore all of its flaws doesn't mean Ryan Murphy has carte blanche to go around bashing people who have actual talent.

 

[Spotless Mind]

Ugh, Ryan Murphy is such a douchebag. Like i needed more reasons to hate on this show.

What can I say? Glee entertained me this week, like it does most weeks. The Foo Fighters haven't released anything of value since the 90s so advantage to Glee.

Pfft. Murphy wishes Glee was half as good as some of the songs on the FF last album.

Plus Ryan Murphy's new pilot for FX is starring Connie Britton, so that's another reason for me to dig him.

What?! First i've heard of his involvement. Please tell me he's only directing!

 

[Spoit]

How long do you think they will keep Kurt's prep school plot line going? I'm kind of bored with it and wish he was with the main cast again.

1 episode, 2 at most. Which is too bad, as quarantining him from the rest of the show, and having a quality A Capella group was one of the few things making watching scenes with him palatable

 

[Wads]

I would assume that Sunshine will appear soon now that the ND have won. Moving on to Vocal Adrenaline. It's kind of strange though that she appeared in the 2nd episode of S2, but haven't seen her since...

Also, I really hope they cut back on Sue if they keep her around. I assume they'll find some reason to keep her around, but you can't deck people with 100s of witnesses and not explain it somehow...

 

[timetokill]

What can I say? Glee entertained me this week, like it does most weeks. The Foo Fighters haven't released anything of value since the 90s so advantage to Glee.

Sure, it's the Grammys, but the Foo Fighters have received 6 of them since 2001.
Do you feel the same about Kings of Leon, that they haven't made anything valuable recently so hey, let's start spouting ad hominem attacks because they don't want their music butchered for the show?

Nobody would care or even know about any of this if Murphy simply accepted that some artists don't want their stuff on the show. Instead, he decides he has to try and tear down everybody who has the gall to tell him "no."

 

[krypt0nian]

Just because you unabashedly love the show and ignore all of its flaws doesn't mean Ryan Murphy has carte blanche to go around bashing people who have actual talent.

Um everyone actually has the right to do this about anyone with talent or otherwise. It's actually a right.


And like I said, they are both doing it for attention. One for a new cd and one for his show.

I don't agree with you, therefore my opinion is invalid. I get it.

How dare I call out this show for its numerous flaws. Shame on me.

No your opinion is worthless because you are the definition of hater. You watch a show you hate soley to cry about it here.

Null and void.

 

[ZephyrFate]

Um everyone actually has the right to do this about anyone with talent or otherwise. It's actually a right.


And like I said, they are both doing it for attention. One for a new cd and one for his show.



No your opinion is worthless because you are the definition of hater. You watch a show you hate soley to cry about it here.

Null and void.

What? Dave Grohl is directly responding to Ryan Murphy (who started this whole stupid mess) for being a complete and utterly gigantic asshole.

I'm glad it's a right, it doesn't mean that you're not in the wrong.

 

[krypt0nian]

What? Dave Grohl is directly responding to Ryan Murphy (who started this whole stupid mess) for being a complete and utterly gigantic asshole.

I'm glad it's a right, it doesn't mean that you're not in the wrong.

He's expressing himself. He's pissed. I'd be too.

And Dave, having integrity is ridiculous when it's far cooler to play along with the obvious joke. Look where it got Kurt.

 

[ZephyrFate]

He's expressing himself. He's pissed. I'd be too.

And Dave, having integrity is ridiculous when it's far cooler to play along with the obvious joke. Look where it got Kurt.

Ryan Murphy is only expressing how much of a fucking douchebag he is. Your senseless defense of him does nothing for the show or changing anyone's opinion about it.