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Glee Season 2 |OT| How Sue "C's" it (and many blindly hate it)

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BertramCooper

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krypt0nian said:
Nah, if he thinks I'm delusional because I like a show he doesn't fuck him. Now with the shiny ball shit. smh
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We don't think you're delusional because you like the show.

We think you're delusional because you refuse to acknowledge that it's in any way flawed.
 
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krypt0nian

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BertramCooper said:
We don't think you're delusional because you like the show.

We think you're delusional because you refuse to acknowledge that it's in any way flawed.
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Where did I say that? Just like I supposedly atk anyone that doesn't like it? That was another of your failed theories.

Overall by a vast distance, I think the show is more positive than negative. I enjoy most parts every week. I watch it because it makes me happy.


You freaks watch it to bitch on the internet, then atk people for honestly enjoying something. It would be different if you had minor issues but the constant "Hopeless characters" "inane writing" "pathetic garbage" tells more about you than the show.

That's beyond pathetic. Then then for Fate to personally atk me, when he's supposed to be a friend....there are no words.
 
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ZephyrFate

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krypt0nian said:
Where did I say that? Just like I supposedly atk anyone that doesn't like it? That was another of your failed theories.

Overall by a vast distance, I think the show is more positive than negative. I enjoy most parts every week. I watch it because it makes me happy.


You freaks watch it to bitch on the internet, then atk people for honestly enjoying something.

That's beyond pathetic. Then then for Fate to personally atk me, when he's supposed to be a friend....there are no words.
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You're surprised that I'm calling you out when you've viciously attacked anyone who dares say anything ill of Glee? I'm merely scoffing at your ignorance.
 
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krypt0nian

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ZephyrFate said:
You're surprised that I'm calling you out when you've viciously attacked anyone who dares say anything ill of Glee? I'm merely scoffing at your ignorance.
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Except that hasn't happened. I call the fools out that watch it week after week just to say how horrible it is. Again and again. The same people.

Tons of negative replies go by without a peep from me. So drop the nonsense about me viciously attacking anyone in the thread.

There's no excuse for your delusional and shiny ball shit today.

Now I'm ignorant. Fuck. Off. You have no clue how to treat a friend. I'm sorry that you think being hurtful is cool.

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So I have to directly agree with or dispute every comment in the thread? That's what I'm falsely accuse of doing. I didn't say I don't acknowledge faults. I just don't feel the need to comment on all of them.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Catching up on reactions to the ep...


People really still criticize the show for lack of realism? That was gone partway through season one. I mean, there are full numbers with special effects and fully-rehearsed songs every week as "here, let me show you what I whipped up" numbers.

The show is pure fantasy. Blaine included.

I have plenty of criticism of the show-- I had basically written it off-- but wen it goes for full-on earnestly optimistic, it really shines.

The show's most revolting moments, IMHO, are when it tries to do heavy drama or else when it focuses on Shu and pushes his behavior way past relatable or acceptable. Or when the pop songs are especially garbage.


Edit: And I don't usually post about the show becuase despite mostly hating it this season, I agree with Kryp: people who continually rag on something are really tedious, even when they are right with the criticism.
 
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DarkWish

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DMPrince said:
how long is Trouty Mouth? is it just the show version or an extended one?
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I don't have it, but iTunes says it's a minute and 11 seconds long. So I'm guessing that's the show version, but I don't know for sure.
 
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maharg

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You know what shits up a thread more than *anything else*? Blabbing on for post after post after post about how and why and what other people post. Seriously.

Yes, including this one.
 
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Granger Danger

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Just add the sad little trolls like Bert and Zephyr to your ignore list if they bother you so much, guys. They only feed on your attention - ignore them and they will just whither away.
 
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Granger Danger

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dead souls said:
I don't think that it would be possible to butcher a Kings of Leon song, since they are a pretty awful band. A Glee cover could only be an improvement.
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Now that I think about it, I could see someone like Santana turning Sex On Fire into something magical. Just thinking outside the box a bit, it doesn't always have to be Use Somebody that gets covered.
 
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BertramCooper

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Ignatz Mouse said:
The show's most revolting moments, IMHO, are when it tries to do heavy drama or else when it focuses on Shu and pushes his behavior way past relatable or acceptable. Or when the pop songs are especially garbage.
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The first season actually did some dramatic stuff rather nicely. The show in its earliest form focused very heavily on the feeling of isolation and hopelessness one feels when growing up in a small town and has big dreams. That's one of the things I miss about the show.

Unfortunately, the drama devolved into the after-school special variety, and now is almost nonexistent. Which is sad.

Emonga said:
Just add the sad little trolls like Bert and Zephyr to your ignore list if they bother you so much, guys. They only feed on your attention - ignore them and they will just whither away.
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I would be a troll if I didn't actually watch the show and then came in here bitching about how bad it is. A lot of people do that already, but I'm not one of them.
 
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ZephyrFate

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Emonga said:
Just add the sad little trolls like Bert and Zephyr to your ignore list if they bother you so much, guys. They only feed on your attention - ignore them and they will just whither away.
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Oh man, you should look up the definition of trolling if you think I'm doing any such thing. Critiquing a show =/= trolling.
 
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viciouskillersquirrel

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Glee: Serious Business.

My fiance I caught up to the show over the weekend and I've got to say: the episode quality ranges from terribad to spectacular. I was ready to give up on the show after the Bieber episode and the Very Special Episode about the dangers of alcohol... then the show redeemed itself with the last one.

I don't jump in on the debate here much because I can't actually articulate what makes some episodes good and others terrible and my knowledge of the issues facing gay teens is tenous and third-hand at best. This show though, is like a jet fighter in the way it handles. The way it's built is naturally unstable and without the right controls in place, you end up with an expensive, burning wreck. You get those controls right, though, and you can do amazing things with it.

So yeah, the show has to walk the line between parody and ridiculousness and it fails at this, a LOT. Especially with Mr Schuester and Rachel - God damn, they've done some horrible things with those characters' story arcs. Then they pull an episode like this out of their hats and I find myself hating that I love it so much.
 
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krypt0nian

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anaron said:
Way to miss the point. Excellent job

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Would you like me to quote myself the vast number of times I explained that I don't care if people hate the show, that I rarely even debate them? Would you then like me to quote myself exposing that it's the few tools here that watch a show they obviously hate and have vocally said so, only to week after week show up to bitch here? (which several people agree with)

You said I oppose critics of the show, which means you missed the whole point. I ridicule Bertram as that's all he deserves here.
 
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ZephyrFate

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krypt0nian said:
Way to miss the point. Excellent job.
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You're saying this after completely missing anaron's point. You actually don't care about any objective discussion of the show. It stifles this thread and makes people hate the show more.
 
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PhoncipleBone

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ZephyrFate said:
You're saying this after completely missing anaron's point. You actually don't care about any objective discussion of the show. It stifles this thread and makes people hate the show more.
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And frightens many that come into this thread. I do not watch the show on a regular basis anymore, but pop in to keep up and occasionally share news. The last two pages of this thread are just reminding me of how a Lost thread would get sometimes. There are some here that are having active, thoughtful discussion, but there are also many that are just constantly beating the same drum ad nauseam. Just makes me think if Einstein's definition of insanity.
 
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krypt0nian

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ZephyrFate said:
You're saying this after completely missing anaron's point. You actually don't care about any objective discussion of the show. It stifles this thread and makes people hate the show more.
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How is it objective to watch a show you admittedly hate week after week then run here to tell everyone how horrible it is? Then do it all over next week? It's called shitting on the thread. Go back and look at Bertram's pages of comments on how pathetic and hopeless and terrible everything is. Ok cool. Then stop watching it. Have some integrity.

Plenty of people post flaws but still enjoy the show overall. There's nothing wrong with that. No one is trying to stop negative comments here or anywhere on GAF.


I totally got anaron's point. But he was incorrect in this case.


I'm done with this. I'll just treat those that do it as the fucktards they are.
 
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ZephyrFate

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krypt0nian said:
How is it objective to watch a show you admittedly hate week after week then run here to tell everyone how horrible it is? Then do it all over next week? It's called shitting on the thread.

Plenty of people post flaws but still enjoy the show overall. There's nothing wrong with that. No one is trying to stop negative comments here or anywhere on GAF.


I totally got anaron's point. But he was incorrect in this case.
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I know it just pains you to be wrong, you know... ever (and you should really work on that because humility is a virtue), but you conflate criticism of each episode to be equivalent to hating the show. There's a fine difference and you seem to just blend them together when they are not mutually exclusive.
 
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BertramCooper

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krypt0nian said:
How is it objective to watch a show you admittedly hate week after week then run here to tell everyone how horrible it is? Then do it all over next week? It's called shitting on the thread.
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You claim I "shit up the thread" with my critcisim, but I ask you again, what exactly have you contributed?

Your posts consist of nothing but blind praise for every single element of the show. How has anything you've ever posted contributed to a thoughtful, rational discussion?
 
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Mumei

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krypt0nian said:
Would you like me to quote myself the vast number of times I explained that I don't care if people hate the show, that I rarely even debate them? Would you then like me to quote myself exposing that it's the few tools here that watch a show they obviously hate and have vocally said so, only to week after week show up to bitch here? (which several people agree with)

You said I oppose critics of the show, which means you missed the whole point. I ridicule Bertram as that's all he deserves here.
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Why are you responding at all, then, if you aren't interested in debating? I've only read this last page, and I don't really get why you're responding if you're not interested in a substantive conversation about whatever points they've been trying to make.

ZephyrFate said:
I would hope that flaming stereotypes are NOT the types of gay characters that 'help' kids. Characters like Blaine, given any actual realistic traits, would be better suited.
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Come on, now, we've talked about this. There are flaming stereotype gay kids, too.

... That said, Kurt isn't really a positive portrayal of a flaming gay kid, anyway.
 
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ZephyrFate

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You know my meaning. The media loves to portray one type of gay as ALL types of gay, and if it's not the flaming stereotype, it's the dream-the-impossible-dream gay guy.
 
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TheChaos

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Mumei said:
That said, Kurt isn't really a positive portrayal of a flaming gay kid, anyway.
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He really isn't. He's very petty and self-absorbed. Then again every single student in that club (with the exception of that Asian dancer kid) is a huge fucking tool.
 
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BertramCooper

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I'll give credit where credit is due - Brittany is still pretty damn funny.

I got a good giggle at "I don't even remember putting that in there."

What's frustrating is that they get many of the little things right. It's the big picture where everything gets screwy.
 
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PhoncipleBone

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BertramCooper said:
I'll give credit where credit is due - Brittany is still pretty damn funny.

I got a good giggle at "I don't even remember putting that in there."

What's frustrating is that they get many of the little things right. It's the big picture where everything gets screwy.
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And the wild inconsistency between episodes. Sometimes they are firing on all cylinders, and the show is glorious then.
 
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Roscoe

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TheChaos said:
He really isn't. He's very petty and self-absorbed. Then again every single student in that club (with the exception of that Asian dancer kid) is a huge fucking tool.
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This so much. The entire cast at one point or another have been a walking singing stereotype, and not in an after school special learn about each other way. Glee is the wrong type of progressive, and it exploits real issues.
 
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AlternativeUlster

Absolutely pathetic part deux
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Koodo

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LOL WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS PAGE.


I just watched Original Songs. Great episode, save for two things:

1. That stupid song for that stupid bird. I wanted to stab out my aorta.
2. Finn singing. I was actually enjoying their Loser Like Me song until Finn opened his mouth. I had forgotten how terrible he sings because he's been off the spotlight for a while.

This all leads me to a recommendation for the show's writers and creators: it is evident that the show's existence is equivalent to that of an attention whore. Ryan Murphy can swallow ratings until he is secreting Nielsen data out of every pore. Considering this, I suggest they kill off Finn. This will result in a rating's grab and reduce the negative aspects of the show. WIN-WIN.


Oh, and Blaine and Kurt's hookup was sweet, though Kurt is still a nasty bitch.
 
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BertramCooper

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Koodo said:
Oh, and Blaine and Kurt's hookup was sweet, though Kurt is still a nasty bitch.
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But it was completely out of left field.

For weeks and weeks, they'd established that Blaine was interested in Kurt in a strictly platonic sense. Hell, he was more attracted to Rachel, for chrissakes.

And then after one single song to a dead bird, he falls head over heels for him. Ridiculous.
 
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Koodo

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BertramCooper said:
But it was completely out of left field.

For weeks and weeks, they'd established that Blaine was interested in Kurt in a strictly platonic sense. Hell, he was more attracted to Rachel, for chrissakes.

And then after one single song to a dead bird, he falls head over heels for him. Ridiculous.
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I think you forgot to shut off portions of your frontal lobe. I've started doing this.

Maybe there should be an advisory sign before every episode.
 
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Soulscribe

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lol, I'm the only one on here who likes Kurt. All the characters have annoying traits (Finn's general stupidity, Mercedes being a walking stereotype, Quinn's lack of depth, everything about Rachel) but Chris Colfer is by FAR the best actor on the show (outside of Jane Lynch and some of the adults), and Kurt has had some of the funniest one-liners and zingers throughout the show bar-none.

He's also the only main cast member who's been fully developed as a character. Unlike everybody else he actually has layers of complexity about him, his blase insults toward others are deeply rooted in his vulnerability, and the fact that he can overreact and play the victim quite a bit just makes him that much more rich of a character. We all have those moments, and whether you find Kurt annoying doesn't change the fact that he's the only fully realized Glee character, and the writers obviously know that. Otherwise they wouldn't have given him this much material.

I agree about Finn. Bleh. He gets overly "breathy" in some songs, and it showed in his "Loser Like Me" verse. I've never found any of his storylines interesting. The only time I actually kinda liked him was in Furt when he asked Kurt to dance with him, but otherwise his blank, open-mouthed stares do nothing for me.

Also Quinn can go to hell.
 
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Koodo

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Kurt does indeed have many layers but most of those layers are downright hideous. Nothing against Chris Colfer of course, he's a good actor.

I like that we all agree Finn is terrible though. The shittiness is so off putting that I don't even find him hot.

Oh, and your comment on Quinn reminds me of another thing: I loathe how they've been treating her character lately. I actually (used to) love her, but it appears everything she went through (and all her personal growth) in the past year were thrown out the window in the last two episodes. What the flying fuck.


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I needed to see the above gif to calm myself.
 
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Soulscribe

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Come on now, the scenes where he was getting tossed around by Karofsky and his douche crew was heart-wrenching. Also all his moments with his dad always made him likable. I think for a lot of gay viewers they get frustrated because the character obviously has shortcomings and doesn't represent every possible dynamic of a gay person, so his flaws become more glaring than someone like Rachel, who has some of the most painful-to-watch scenes in the whole show. She has funny moments but any remotely serious situation involving her and her constantly morphing face of emotions makes me wince.

But yeah, Quinn's character development has been a mess. She was handled very well in the first season, because it was a perfect arc from start to finish. And then the second season came around and she's going gaga over a guy because he has "Bieber Fever," then dumps him like an episode later because she still has feelings for a guy who made her life a living hell. And now she's obsessed with being prom queen again, and it just throws away whatever authenticity and likability she had in the first season down the drain. Seriously, what's her point anyway?
 
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